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(10-03-2022 10:58 PM)Justanodufan Wrote:  

(09-13-2022 06:18 AM)The Flagship Wrote:  

(09-12-2022 05:19 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  I love when we have academic ranking discussions, because inevitably, a) multiple posters will declare that we’re too good for our mission and want to change it to chase inexact results from flawed publications, and b) multiple posters will say “diverse” the way they would “child molester.” The Pell Grant bit is a new twist, I gotta admit. College? For the poors? Who the hell will serve me my Egg McMuffin? On the other hand, this is the time when some of our posters relate best to UR fans.

Regarding Pell Grants and graduation rates, here is a link to one of many articles on the subject:

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/brown-cen...ion-rates/

With roughly a 51% graduation rate (success rate) for Pell Grant recipients, this "investment" is similar to betting on a sporting event with the spread. For the 49%, they accumulate debt (loans to cover costs above the grant value) and don't have the degree to help pay it back.

To be clear, I'm not against Pell Grants. I'm against the way they are administered. And schools like ODU, which has a high number of Pell Grant recipients, rake in the tuition money while hurting their statistics that might attract better students and higher-paying out-of-state students.

ODU would help it’s student body a ton if 12 credits cost the same at 18 credits each semester.

Charging by the credit, for a school that serves the population it does is insane. ODU banks on their student body wanting to graduate in 4 years and thinks charging a little less in summer will get the summer money up.

Charge a set rate for 12-18 credits a semester and watchtower the graduation rates go up

I'm sure this is based on historical statistics where a majority of full time students take less than 18 hours. I assume the thinking here is that students will cram in 18 hours and succumb to the load and not graduate, and/or, that the "full time" rate would be higher than the large number of students that want to only take 12 are willing to pay.

The question is, what are the costs of 12, 15, & 18 hours vs. the "full time" rate at other state schools. A quick check of JMU shows that the ODU per credit rate is equal to around 17 hours of a full time student at JMU. In other words, it is cheaper to attend ODU vs. JMU if you are taking 12-16 credit hours.

Since we draw many more "local" students than JMU, we probably have more demand at the 12-15 hour range for those who live at home and work. This ODU rate schedule makes it more affordable for them.