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(02-24-2018 11:19 PM)ODUDJ96 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:01 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  It's disputable. And 35 just disputed it.

+1 I very much remember playing in the CAA - and it was always considered a subpar/one bid league, except for a three/four year period where VCU, GMU, and ODU were expectional. Remembering the CAA as anything more than a periannual one bid league is pure fantasy. And, guess what, the CAA is currently a one bid league...big surprise. The top four of CUSA are better than the top four CAA - clearly undisputable.

The CAA was on an upward trajectory, as was odu. Acting like 20 years ago was relevant is just ridiculous.

And btw the third place team in the CAA, W&M, beat us, the third place team in cusa.

But I guess that doesn't matter lol

(02-24-2018 11:11 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:03 PM)757ODU Wrote:  CUSA is NOT the problem. Our scheduling and inability to win big games in our conference are the main problems.

You don't see road games in football and basketball in El Paso as a problem.
How about soccer games in Albuquerque?
How about all the different conferences our teams are in? 5 I think. No problems there?

Problem with the athletic budget yes, but it isn't the problem with the basketball program.

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(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:03 PM)757ODU Wrote:  CUSA is NOT the problem. Our scheduling and inability to win big games in our conference are the main problems.

Truth. While CUSA could be better off to cut 4-6 schools out of it, the fact of the matter is we just aren't as good as we were in Blaine's heyday and it has nothing to do with the league. Those teams were able to rack up top 50 and top 100 wins both in and out if conference.

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But but but 20 years ago we weren't a great conference, before odu had the ted and vcu the Siegel center and the landscape of college basketball was totally different so now I don't know what to believe! lol

The current 5 years we've spent in cusa has been in a conference that is nowhere near as good as the conference we were in the previous 5 years before that.

Not even remotely up for discussion.

Also, in the last 5 years, how many multi bids has cusa received? None? Ok then.......

(02-24-2018 11:27 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:03 PM)757ODU Wrote:  CUSA is NOT the problem. Our scheduling and inability to win big games in our conference are the main problems.

Truth. While CUSA could be better off to cut 4-6 schools out of it, the fact of the matter is we just aren't as good as we were in Blaine's heyday and it has nothing to do with the league. Those teams were able to rack up top 50 and top 100 wins both in and out if conference.

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But but but 20 years ago we weren't a great conference, before odu had the ted and vcu the Siegel center and the landscape of college basketball was totally different so now I don't know what to believe! lol

The current 5 years we've spent in cusa has been in a conference that is nowhere near as good as the conference we were in the previous 5 years before that.

Not even remotely up for discussion.

Also, in the last 5 years, how many multi bids has cusa received? None? Ok then.......

Point is we were winning games out of conference against teams like Georgia, Clemson, St. Joe's, Xavier, Virginia Tech, Dayton (when they were top 50), and Georgetown year after year. So regardless of what you think of the conferences, we just cannot get it done anymore.

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(02-24-2018 11:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:27 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:03 PM)757ODU Wrote:  CUSA is NOT the problem. Our scheduling and inability to win big games in our conference are the main problems.

Truth. While CUSA could be better off to cut 4-6 schools out of it, the fact of the matter is we just aren't as good as we were in Blaine's heyday and it has nothing to do with the league. Those teams were able to rack up top 50 and top 100 wins both in and out if conference.

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But but but 20 years ago we weren't a great conference, before odu had the ted and vcu the Siegel center and the landscape of college basketball was totally different so now I don't know what to believe! lol

The current 5 years we've spent in cusa has been in a conference that is nowhere near as good as the conference we were in the previous 5 years before that.

Not even remotely up for discussion.

Also, in the last 5 years, how many multi bids has cusa received? None? Ok then.......

Point is we were winning games out of conference against teams like Georgia, Clemson, St. Joe's, Xavier, Virginia Tech, Dayton (when they were top 50), and Georgetown year after year. So regardless of what you think of the conferences, we just cannot get it done anymore.

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Notre dame, uva, Toledo (when they were a top 50 team in the bracket buster), tons of top 50 wins against Drexel, vcu, gmu, uncw, Hofstra etc.

Zero top 50 wins in 5 years is about as damning a statistic as any.

(02-24-2018 11:44 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:27 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:03 PM)757ODU Wrote:  CUSA is NOT the problem. Our scheduling and inability to win big games in our conference are the main problems.

Truth. While CUSA could be better off to cut 4-6 schools out of it, the fact of the matter is we just aren't as good as we were in Blaine's heyday and it has nothing to do with the league. Those teams were able to rack up top 50 and top 100 wins both in and out if conference.

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But but but 20 years ago we weren't a great conference, before odu had the ted and vcu the Siegel center and the landscape of college basketball was totally different so now I don't know what to believe! lol

The current 5 years we've spent in cusa has been in a conference that is nowhere near as good as the conference we were in the previous 5 years before that.

Not even remotely up for discussion.

Also, in the last 5 years, how many multi bids has cusa received? None? Ok then.......

Point is we were winning games out of conference against teams like Georgia, Clemson, St. Joe's, Xavier, Virginia Tech, Dayton (when they were top 50), and Georgetown year after year. So regardless of what you think of the conferences, we just cannot get it done anymore.

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Notre dame, uva, Toledo (when they were a top 50 team in the bracket buster), tons of top 50 wins against Drexel, vcu, gmu, uncw, Hofstra etc.

Zero top 50 wins in 5 years is about as damning a statistic as any.

Yeah, that was just off the top of my head. Pretty sure we beat Wichita State and Northern Iowa in Bracktbusters as well.

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(02-25-2018 12:06 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:44 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:36 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:27 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:24 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Truth. While CUSA could be better off to cut 4-6 schools out of it, the fact of the matter is we just aren't as good as we were in Blaine's heyday and it has nothing to do with the league. Those teams were able to rack up top 50 and top 100 wins both in and out if conference.

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But but but 20 years ago we weren't a great conference, before odu had the ted and vcu the Siegel center and the landscape of college basketball was totally different so now I don't know what to believe! lol

The current 5 years we've spent in cusa has been in a conference that is nowhere near as good as the conference we were in the previous 5 years before that.

Not even remotely up for discussion.

Also, in the last 5 years, how many multi bids has cusa received? None? Ok then.......

Point is we were winning games out of conference against teams like Georgia, Clemson, St. Joe's, Xavier, Virginia Tech, Dayton (when they were top 50), and Georgetown year after year. So regardless of what you think of the conferences, we just cannot get it done anymore.

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Notre dame, uva, Toledo (when they were a top 50 team in the bracket buster), tons of top 50 wins against Drexel, vcu, gmu, uncw, Hofstra etc.

Zero top 50 wins in 5 years is about as damning a statistic as any.

Yeah, that was just off the top of my head. Pretty sure we beat Wichita State and Northern Iowa in Bracktbusters as well.

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I don't think so. Vcu beat Wichita state. We beat Toledo, Cleveland state, Liberty (when the other curry was there) and I think we beat Marist.

Northern Iowa beat us up good in their house.

Yea something about a Catholic league doesn't excite me. Pipe dream is a completely new regional conference with:

Football members:
ODU
JMU
UNCC
WKU
MTSU
App St
Marshall
UAB (Liberty?)
Non-football members:
VCU
GMU
UR
Davidson

Now that would be fun.

(02-25-2018 12:42 AM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Yea something about a Catholic league doesn't excite me. Pipe dream is a completely new regional conference with:

Football members:
ODU
JMU
UNCC
WKU
MTSU
App St
Marshall
UAB (Liberty?)
Non-football members:
VCU
GMU
UR
Davidson

Now that would be fun.

Ur has football, maybe they could step up to fbs?

Also the a-10 isn't catholic, the big east is. Vcu and gmu are pretty far from religious universities.

(02-24-2018 11:11 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:03 PM)757ODU Wrote:  CUSA is NOT the problem. Our scheduling and inability to win big games in our conference are the main problems.

You don't see road games in football and basketball in El Paso as a problem.
How about soccer games in Albuquerque?
How about all the different conferences our teams are in? 5 I think. No problems there?

+1

CUSA teams win games in the NCAA tournament and the NIT. The CAA doesn’t win games in either tournament. No disputing that. If I’m not mistaken... the last 2 CAA teams to win a tourney game in the round of 64 would be VCU and ODU.

(02-25-2018 01:00 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 12:42 AM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Yea something about a Catholic league doesn't excite me. Pipe dream is a completely new regional conference with:

Football members:
ODU
JMU
UNCC
WKU
MTSU
App St
Marshall
UAB (Liberty?)
Non-football members:
VCU
GMU
UR
Davidson

Now that would be fun.

Ur has football, maybe they could step up to fbs?

Also the a-10 isn't catholic, the big east is. Vcu and gmu are pretty far from religious universities.

Half of the conference is Catholic. Saint Louis, La Salle, Duquesne, St. Joe's, St. Bonaventure, Dayton, and Fordham are all Catholic schools. Notice all the saints!

The non-Catholic schools are URI, Davidson, VCU, GMU, UR, GW, and UMass. Three of these schools are private. That leaves 4 teams that are public institutions.

We are not like most A10 institutions.

Also, yes, in my pipe dream scenario, it would be nice if UR moved up. A league like I just thought up in 60 seconds makes so much sense. I wonder what it would take for it to actually happen.

(02-25-2018 01:17 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  CUSA teams win games in the NCAA tournament and the NIT. The CAA doesn’t win games in either tournament. No disputing that. If I’m not mistaken... the last 2 CAA teams to win a tourney game in the round of 64 would be VCU and ODU.

Other than mtsu last year, no one in this league has done anything in the NCAA tourney either since then.

(02-25-2018 01:36 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:17 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  CUSA teams win games in the NCAA tournament and the NIT. The CAA doesn’t win games in either tournament. No disputing that. If I’m not mistaken... the last 2 CAA teams to win a tourney game in the round of 64 would be VCU and ODU.

Other than mtsu last year, no one in this league has done anything in the NCAA tourney either since then.

3 years in a row actually. UAB won a game. MTSU has won a game two years in a row.

(02-25-2018 01:58 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:36 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:17 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  CUSA teams win games in the NCAA tournament and the NIT. The CAA doesn’t win games in either tournament. No disputing that. If I’m not mistaken... the last 2 CAA teams to win a tourney game in the round of 64 would be VCU and ODU.

Other than mtsu last year, no one in this league has done anything in the NCAA tourney either since then.

3 years in a row actually. UAB won a game. MTSU has won a game two years in a row.

Totally forgot about uab that year they beat Iowa state, weren't they a 14 or 15 seed?

Crazy thing is that I think every single year since odu has left the CAA for cusa, the CAA has been the higher ranked conference.

I'll fully admit the upper crust of cusa is better than that of the CAA, however.

(02-25-2018 01:20 AM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:00 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 12:42 AM)Fatalisk Wrote:  Yea something about a Catholic league doesn't excite me. Pipe dream is a completely new regional conference with:

Football members:
ODU
JMU
UNCC
WKU
MTSU
App St
Marshall
UAB (Liberty?)
Non-football members:
VCU
GMU
UR
Davidson

Now that would be fun.

Ur has football, maybe they could step up to fbs?

Also the a-10 isn't catholic, the big east is. Vcu and gmu are pretty far from religious universities.

Half of the conference is Catholic. Saint Louis, La Salle, Duquesne, St. Joe's, St. Bonaventure, Dayton, and Fordham are all Catholic schools. Notice all the saints!

The non-Catholic schools are URI, Davidson, VCU, GMU, UR, GW, and UMass. Three of these schools are private. That leaves 4 teams that are public institutions.

We are not like most A10 institutions.

Also, yes, in my pipe dream scenario, it would be nice if UR moved up. A league like I just thought up in 60 seconds makes so much sense. I wonder what it would take for it to actually happen.

Well, first off, they would have to significantly expand their 8700 seat brand new stadium. Not going to happen. I think UR is very happy where they are (Basketball in the A-10 and football in the CAA. It doesn't sound like such a bad deal to me either.

(02-24-2018 10:31 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 08:03 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  If we were winning CUSA and going to back-to-back NCAA tournies, nobody would be complaining at all. And especially not going back down to the frigging CAA.

The only reason people want to complain about a budget they don't manage, driving distances that were long well before we joined, and TV deal that is very poor, is that we can't seem to win it.

This league is tough and to look for excuses that don't matter is simply defeatist.

Give me CUSA where the top 5 gives us more challenge than the A10 and the CAA. I just want to win. Even on a night that we are getting more than we can handle at Bowling Green, I know ODU is in a better place competing there than anything that the CAA can offer. Could care less about Harry's fantasy mouthpiece for JMU, Liberty, or Delaware. Neither of them will define ODU's upside IMO.

This league is not nearly as good as the old CAA, which we won multiple times, and that is an indisputable fact.

And put two teams in the final four.

(02-24-2018 10:31 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 08:03 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  If we were winning CUSA and going to back-to-back NCAA tournies, nobody would be complaining at all. And especially not going back down to the frigging CAA.

The only reason people want to complain about a budget they don't manage, driving distances that were long well before we joined, and TV deal that is very poor, is that we can't seem to win it.

This league is tough and to look for excuses that don't matter is simply defeatist.

Give me CUSA where the top 5 gives us more challenge than the A10 and the CAA. I just want to win. Even on a night that we are getting more than we can handle at Bowling Green, I know ODU is in a better place competing there than anything that the CAA can offer. Could care less about Harry's fantasy mouthpiece for JMU, Liberty, or Delaware. Neither of them will define ODU's upside IMO.

This league is not nearly as good as the old CAA, which we won multiple times, and that is an indisputable fact.

Irrelevant. That version of the CAA is extinct.

(02-24-2018 11:11 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 11:03 PM)757ODU Wrote:  CUSA is NOT the problem. Our scheduling and inability to win big games in our conference are the main problems.

You don't see road games in football and basketball in El Paso as a problem.
How about soccer games in Albuquerque?
How about all the different conferences our teams are in? 5 I think. No problems there?

Oh I definitely think all of those are problems, but Razor is talking about our level of competitiveness in the CAA and how great that conference was. I am saying that the CAA was not good for a VERY long time. CUSA is getting much better at the top. Razor's complaints are mostly directed at basketball. The main problem with basketball not getting at large bids are scheduling and not being able to win games. As far as geographically, CUSA is a disaster.

(02-25-2018 01:36 AM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 01:17 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  CUSA teams win games in the NCAA tournament and the NIT. The CAA doesn’t win games in either tournament. No disputing that. If I’m not mistaken... the last 2 CAA teams to win a tourney game in the round of 64 would be VCU and ODU.

Other than mtsu last year, no one in this league has done anything in the NCAA tourney either since then.

Three straight years a team has won. This, after replacing memphis when we came in. CUSA is not the problem with our competitiveness.