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I think the point is: if we are going to be in a one-bid conference, we may as well be in one with regional teams. That is really all.

(02-24-2018 11:05 AM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  So, here's my two cents on the matter. Here is the "East Coast Conference" that Harry is suggesting:

ODU
App St
CCU
Charlotte
Liberty
UConn
UMass

a) THIS CONFERENCE ONLY HAS SEVEN MEMBERS

b) Creating this conference, if it is even allowed, means that we place ourselves outside of the CFP contract. So say ODU get's ranked #15, and is the "highest rated G5 member", the college football playoff is not obligated to pick us and can/will instead pick the highest ranking member from AAC/CUSA/MWC/MAC/SB. We also do not get any of the money that is associated with the CFP (~$10MM per conference).

c) What bowl tie ins would we have? Right now a lot of people are claiming there's too many bowls, and I doubt any of the other conferences will be generous and just give us their old ones.

d) This conference is absolute garbage.

Pretty much agree with the above but in addition to losing the CFP money and any bowl tie-ins (so no bowls good or not) you would have to set up and new central headquarters, staff etc. Then they would have to figure out where to line up game officials, come up with a working schedule (don't forget existing contracts & obligations) and heaven help us with a TV contract. I also have doubts about some of the schools listed wanting to be in a conference with Liberty for a wide assortment of different reasons. I would like to see something like this proposal happen and some of you would probably be shocked to know who is really pushing for it but I just don't see it happening. Hope I am wrong.

(02-25-2018 05:41 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 10:31 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 08:03 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  If we were winning CUSA and going to back-to-back NCAA tournies, nobody would be complaining at all. And especially not going back down to the frigging CAA.

The only reason people want to complain about a budget they don't manage, driving distances that were long well before we joined, and TV deal that is very poor, is that we can't seem to win it.

This league is tough and to look for excuses that don't matter is simply defeatist.

Give me CUSA where the top 5 gives us more challenge than the A10 and the CAA. I just want to win. Even on a night that we are getting more than we can handle at Bowling Green, I know ODU is in a better place competing there than anything that the CAA can offer. Could care less about Harry's fantasy mouthpiece for JMU, Liberty, or Delaware. Neither of them will define ODU's upside IMO.

This league is not nearly as good as the old CAA, which we won multiple times, and that is an indisputable fact.

Irrelevant. That version of the CAA is extinct.

When was the last time a CAA team not named ODU, VCU, or GMU won a tourney game?


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(02-25-2018 06:52 PM)Big Bluezilla Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 05:41 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 10:31 PM)Razor Ramon Monarch Wrote:  

(02-24-2018 08:03 PM)FearTheLion Wrote:  If we were winning CUSA and going to back-to-back NCAA tournies, nobody would be complaining at all. And especially not going back down to the frigging CAA.

The only reason people want to complain about a budget they don't manage, driving distances that were long well before we joined, and TV deal that is very poor, is that we can't seem to win it.

This league is tough and to look for excuses that don't matter is simply defeatist.

Give me CUSA where the top 5 gives us more challenge than the A10 and the CAA. I just want to win. Even on a night that we are getting more than we can handle at Bowling Green, I know ODU is in a better place competing there than anything that the CAA can offer. Could care less about Harry's fantasy mouthpiece for JMU, Liberty, or Delaware. Neither of them will define ODU's upside IMO.

This league is not nearly as good as the old CAA, which we won multiple times, and that is an indisputable fact.

Irrelevant. That version of the CAA is extinct.

When was the last time a CAA team not named ODU, VCU, or GMU won a tourney game?


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JMU beat LIU in a first four game in the 2013 season.

Wasn't recent but Navy and none other then David " The Admiral" Robinson beat Syracuse in the mids 80's. Went to see their championship game at the Hampton Coliseum. First time I had ever heard of UNCW too.

^yep UNCW made it to second round with excellent 3 point shooting - I think a NCAA record . They had a good tournament showing for a few years in the early 2000s

(02-25-2018 06:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  I think the point is: if we are going to be in a one-bid conference, we may as well be in one with regional teams. That is really all.

Agreed!

Richmond won as a CAA team too I believe

(02-25-2018 10:37 PM)Monarch Homselr Wrote:  

(02-25-2018 06:21 PM)odu09 Wrote:  I think the point is: if we are going to be in a one-bid conference, we may as well be in one with regional teams. That is really all.

Agreed!

The correct response should be AGREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. + 1000000

I agree. If the level of play is going to be similar I’d rather be playing local teams. I don’t understand why Charlotte and UTEP and even LA Tech have fallen off soo much. Southern Miss was really good our first year in the league as well. They were in the NIT that year. On paper this conference should be better. It’s ridiculous. This year has actually been better than the last couple of years. It sucks for hoops fans, that’s for sure. Don’t even get me started on the Thursday and Saturday bull**** schedule. So bush league. I understand why they do it... it just sucks. No other league does anything like it. Such a disadvantage to the entire conference I think.

(02-26-2018 12:14 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I agree. If the level of play is going to be similar I’d rather be playing local teams. I don’t understand why Charlotte and UTEP and even LA Tech have fallen off soo much. Southern Miss was really good our first year in the league as well. They were in the NIT that year. On paper this conference should be better. It’s ridiculous. This year has actually been better than the last couple of years. It sucks for hoops fans, that’s for sure. Don’t even get me started on the Thursday and Saturday bull**** schedule. So bush league. I understand why they do it... it just sucks. No other league does anything like it. Such a disadvantage to the entire conference I think.

What do you mean by "no other league does anything like it." You mean Thurs/Sat? I like it much better than Ivy that plays Friday nights.

(02-26-2018 12:14 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Don’t even get me started on the Thursday and Saturday bull**** schedule. So bush league. I understand why they do it... it just sucks. No other league does anything like it. Such a disadvantage to the entire conference I think.

Switching to a Wed/Saturday for the men and a Thursday/Sunday for the women would be ideal. It would make for a much more competitive back end of the hoops weekends. It would also allow for the respective fan bases to follow both the men's and women's programs. Additionally, it would also not be the worst thing if the conference office made it so both teams could be on the road at a given time more frequently. I'm sure the folks running The Ted would be thrilled to have a few more weekends open to schedule concerts and the like and you would get less fatigue from the fan bases if there was not near constant hoops going on from January to March.

I think the answer is a realignment between CUSA and the Sun Belt.
CUSA takes the East Teams and Sun Belt takes the West Teams.

CUSA = ODU / Marshall / Charlotte / WKY / MTSU / UAB / FIU / FAU / App St / Coastal / GA Southern / Georgia State / Troy / S Alabama

Sun Belt = LA Tech / North TX / Rice / Southern Miss / UTSA / UTEP / Ark State / Little Rock / Louisiana / TX State / UL Monroe / UT Arlington

Those would be 2 pretty solid conferences with great regional rivalries.

(02-26-2018 12:28 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 12:14 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  Don’t even get me started on the Thursday and Saturday bull**** schedule. So bush league. I understand why they do it... it just sucks. No other league does anything like it. Such a disadvantage to the entire conference I think.

Switching to a Wed/Saturday for the men and a Thursday/Sunday for the women would be ideal. It would make for a much more competitive back end of the hoops weekends. It would also allow for the respective fan bases to follow both the men's and women's programs. Additionally, it would also not be the worst thing if the conference office made it so both teams could be on the road at a given time more frequently. I'm sure the folks running The Ted would be thrilled to have a few more weekends open to schedule concerts and the like and you would get less fatigue from the fan bases if there was not near constant hoops going on from January to March.

Going Wednesday/Saturday would either mean a) taking players out of the classroom for at least one more day, or b) going back to Norfolk in between games, which defeats the purpose of travel partners.

Maybe they should keep the division setup from football and do a round-robin within the division? But then that only gets you 12 games, and with seven teams in a division, you'll either play everyone over there once for 19 games (and have an uneven home/away split) or not play at least one team at all.

I don't think there's going to be a scheduling solution that makes everyone, or even a lot of people, happy so long as CUSA is constructed as it is today. At this point, maybe the best thing is to try to grab a bunch of Sun Belt schools and create a functional merger, then separate into divisions that don't interact at all except for the football title game and conference postseason for other sports. If the media contract is going to be squat anyway, might as well try to make up for it with travel savings and potentially better gates with more-regional opponents. Plus with one fewer conference, there's less competition for the TV crumbs allotted to us poor G5 riff raff.

(02-26-2018 12:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 12:14 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I agree. If the level of play is going to be similar I’d rather be playing local teams. I don’t understand why Charlotte and UTEP and even LA Tech have fallen off soo much. Southern Miss was really good our first year in the league as well. They were in the NIT that year. On paper this conference should be better. It’s ridiculous. This year has actually been better than the last couple of years. It sucks for hoops fans, that’s for sure. Don’t even get me started on the Thursday and Saturday bull**** schedule. So bush league. I understand why they do it... it just sucks. No other league does anything like it. Such a disadvantage to the entire conference I think.

What do you mean by "no other league does anything like it." You mean Thurs/Sat? I like it much better than Ivy that plays Friday nights.

This is the only conference in the country that plays home, home, road, road. With travel partners. Thursday/Saturday schedules. I understand why they do it. (Travel costs). You can’t compare it to the Ivy League. Most of those games are short bus rides.

Uncw, Richmond, navy, odu, vcu, gmu all won NCAA tourney games at one point while in the caa.

Correct Razor. Sad part is ODU has won only three NCAA games. Ever. Couple of those schools won that many in the same year.

(02-27-2018 07:21 AM)mac Wrote:  Correct Razor. Sad part is ODU has won only three NCAA games. Ever. Couple of those schools won that many in the same year.

And the sad part is that those wins were a looong time ago... back when Michael Jackson was still black.

(02-26-2018 09:22 PM)Prideofalion Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 12:11 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(02-26-2018 12:14 AM)Prideofalion Wrote:  I agree. If the level of play is going to be similar I’d rather be playing local teams. I don’t understand why Charlotte and UTEP and even LA Tech have fallen off soo much. Southern Miss was really good our first year in the league as well. They were in the NIT that year. On paper this conference should be better. It’s ridiculous. This year has actually been better than the last couple of years. It sucks for hoops fans, that’s for sure. Don’t even get me started on the Thursday and Saturday bull**** schedule. So bush league. I understand why they do it... it just sucks. No other league does anything like it. Such a disadvantage to the entire conference I think.

What do you mean by "no other league does anything like it." You mean Thurs/Sat? I like it much better than Ivy that plays Friday nights.

This is the only conference in the country that plays home, home, road, road. With travel partners. Thursday/Saturday schedules. I understand why they do it. (Travel costs). You can’t compare it to the Ivy League. Most of those games are short bus rides.

The PAC 12 does travel partners.

(02-26-2018 03:57 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  I think the answer is a realignment between CUSA and the Sun Belt.
CUSA takes the East Teams and Sun Belt takes the West Teams.

CUSA = ODU / Marshall / Charlotte / WKY / MTSU / UAB / FIU / FAU / App St / Coastal / GA Southern / Georgia State / Troy / S Alabama

Sun Belt = LA Tech / North TX / Rice / Southern Miss / UTSA / UTEP / Ark State / Little Rock / Louisiana / TX State / UL Monroe / UT Arlington

Those would be 2 pretty solid conferences with great regional rivalries.

Two CUSA divisions for football:
North- ODU, Marshall, App St, Charlotte, WKU, MTSU, Coastal
South: FIU, FAU, GSU, GaSo, Troy, USA, UAB

Good Basketball: ODU, Marshall, WKU, MTSU, UAB, GSU, USA
Potentially Good basketball: Charlotte, Troy
Bad Basketball: FIU, FAU, GaSo, App st, Coastal

I'd be ok with the football, though we would lose some more highly recognized teams like LaTech, So Miss, Rice. Basketball would still have a great top half and lousy bottom.

It also seems more likely that CUSA would keep the FUs, while USA, Troy and maybe UAB would go to the other conference. That would not be so bad for football, but would make basketball much worse.