Actually green makes sense if apps is looking at other options as did silver and the one juco forward have to see how this shakes out on signing day period

Silver is signed already. He's in for sure.

(04-09-2017 09:55 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Silver is signed already. He's in for sure.

This is why I shouldn't do things from memory, I meant to say Kendrick Gray, you're right Sam, Silver is signed already.

(04-10-2017 04:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 09:55 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Silver is signed already. He's in for sure.

This is why I shouldn't do things from memory, I meant to say Kendrick Gray, you're right Sam, Silver is signed already.

Memory?

Do you mean Isaiah Green?

(04-09-2017 11:13 AM)EMU03 Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 09:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 08:18 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 12:30 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  18 ppg on nearly 65% shooting from the field and 77% at the line. Not to mention an insane 4 blocks a game. I'm fine with that as our last schollie.

I'm assuming LWH is coming back. No reason to doubt anyone else is leaving, would be my guess...

That said, Green is a PF / C but could be considered a replacement for Madray.

The more I think about it, the more I wouldn't be surprised if there is more attrition. Just seems like we are going to have way too many forwards again. A front court of Thompson, Minnie, Nobles, Harris, Steele, Groce, Epps, LWH, and now Green, is quite a surplus. It's a bit nerve-wracking that only Jackson, Bond, Silver, and Ellison could be considered guards.

I know Murphy LOVES having size and athleticism, and we are going to have plenty of that, but can we survive we 4 guards? Two of whom are freshmen?

From the small amount of film I've seen of our newcomers I would classify Groce, Epps, Harris, and Silver as "wings". Bond as well, though he has shown the ability to run point along with Jackson and Ellison.
True frontcourt players would be Steele, Thompson, LWH, and Green. Nobles and Minnie you could say are frontcourt with some wing abilities.

Good point: Wings are wings. They are somewhat interchangeable parts.

I always assume the big 'issue' is that size (length), meaning, a 6 '2" wing might be a nice SG but would be too short to defend at the SF position.

In the case of our wings, most are pretty lengthy so a 6' 6" SF or 6' 6" SG are pretty much the same.

(04-10-2017 04:56 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 04:55 AM)emu79 Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 09:55 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  Silver is signed already. He's in for sure.

This is why I shouldn't do things from memory, I meant to say Kendrick Gray, you're right Sam, Silver is signed already.

Memory?

Do you mean Isaiah Green?

I am puzzled that we are signing two small forward types with green and apps and only two guards and as it appears now we have two seniors and only two scholies for a loaded 2018 class next years team will be top heavy in juniors

(04-10-2017 05:06 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 11:13 AM)EMU03 Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 09:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 08:18 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 12:30 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  18 ppg on nearly 65% shooting from the field and 77% at the line. Not to mention an insane 4 blocks a game. I'm fine with that as our last schollie.

I'm assuming LWH is coming back. No reason to doubt anyone else is leaving, would be my guess...

That said, Green is a PF / C but could be considered a replacement for Madray.

The more I think about it, the more I wouldn't be surprised if there is more attrition. Just seems like we are going to have way too many forwards again. A front court of Thompson, Minnie, Nobles, Harris, Steele, Groce, Epps, LWH, and now Green, is quite a surplus. It's a bit nerve-wracking that only Jackson, Bond, Silver, and Ellison could be considered guards.

I know Murphy LOVES having size and athleticism, and we are going to have plenty of that, but can we survive we 4 guards? Two of whom are freshmen?

From the small amount of film I've seen of our newcomers I would classify Groce, Epps, Harris, and Silver as "wings". Bond as well, though he has shown the ability to run point along with Jackson and Ellison.
True frontcourt players would be Steele, Thompson, LWH, and Green. Nobles and Minnie you could say are frontcourt with some wing abilities.

Good point: Wings are wings. They are somewhat interchangeable parts.

I always assume the big 'issue' is that size (length), meaning, a 6 '2" wing might be a nice SG but would be too short to defend at the SF position.

In the case of our wings, most are pretty lengthy so a 6' 6" SF or 6' 6" SG are pretty much the same.

Not necessarily, in regards to wings. If we have a lineup of Jackson, Nobles, Minnie, Thompson, and Steele, it would provide nice length defensively, but would be a nightmare offensively. Our front court players aren't the type to beat their man off the dribble (unknown with Minnie), which is something that is important for guards to do. That's why I don't like lumping them all together as "wings".

My guess is that either Groce or Silver plays quite a bit as a frosh. Whichever one shows that they've picked up the speed of the college game the most. Both appear to have smooth jumpers and can beat their man one-on-one, from watching their high school tapes.

If there is more attrition with the addition of Green (LWH?), then it would behoove us to pick up a JUCO guard. I don't think Murphy is done yet.

Is groce in or out?

(04-10-2017 10:30 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Is groce in or out?

In. Currently taking classes at EMU. Was not allowed to participate with the team this season. Not sure of the rules on that but Northeastern did give a release early in the school year.

(04-10-2017 11:15 AM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 10:30 AM)emu79 Wrote:  Is groce in or out?

In. Currently taking classes at EMU. Was not allowed to participate with the team this season. Not sure of the rules on that but Northeastern did give a release early in the school year.

That might explain why he was not listed on the roster.

If he was not allowed to practice as a redhsirt then he was (is, to be exact) an EMU student, but not a member of the team.

Also the assumption is that he was not on scholarship. I do believe we had the full compliment of scholarships and if he got money (tuition, books, stipend, etc.) from northeastern for 2016/17 then I think he couldn't get it from EMU. (kind of like 'double dipping').

(04-10-2017 10:30 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-10-2017 05:06 AM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 11:13 AM)EMU03 Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 09:06 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-09-2017 08:18 AM)emu steve Wrote:  I'm assuming LWH is coming back. No reason to doubt anyone else is leaving, would be my guess...

That said, Green is a PF / C but could be considered a replacement for Madray.

The more I think about it, the more I wouldn't be surprised if there is more attrition. Just seems like we are going to have way too many forwards again. A front court of Thompson, Minnie, Nobles, Harris, Steele, Groce, Epps, LWH, and now Green, is quite a surplus. It's a bit nerve-wracking that only Jackson, Bond, Silver, and Ellison could be considered guards.

I know Murphy LOVES having size and athleticism, and we are going to have plenty of that, but can we survive we 4 guards? Two of whom are freshmen?

From the small amount of film I've seen of our newcomers I would classify Groce, Epps, Harris, and Silver as "wings". Bond as well, though he has shown the ability to run point along with Jackson and Ellison.
True frontcourt players would be Steele, Thompson, LWH, and Green. Nobles and Minnie you could say are frontcourt with some wing abilities.

Good point: Wings are wings. They are somewhat interchangeable parts.

I always assume the big 'issue' is that size (length), meaning, a 6 '2" wing might be a nice SG but would be too short to defend at the SF position.

In the case of our wings, most are pretty lengthy so a 6' 6" SF or 6' 6" SG are pretty much the same.

Not necessarily, in regards to wings. If we have a lineup of Jackson, Nobles, Minnie, Thompson, and Steele, it would provide nice length defensively, but would be a nightmare offensively. Our front court players aren't the type to beat their man off the dribble (unknown with Minnie), which is something that is important for guards to do. That's why I don't like lumping them all together as "wings".

My guess is that either Groce or Silver plays quite a bit as a frosh. Whichever one shows that they've picked up the speed of the college game the most. Both appear to have smooth jumpers and can beat their man one-on-one, from watching their high school tapes.

If there is more attrition with the addition of Green (LWH?), then it would behoove us to pick up a JUCO guard. I don't think Murphy is done yet.

Not sure I follow you Sam.

I'm not with you of whom you count as wings. I count players like Bond, Harris, Groce, Epps, Bernard (if he signs), etc.

I have Silver as a SG. I have Nobles as a SF. I don't count them as wings as Silver is too short to play SF and Nobles isn't a SG.

I count JT4, Steele, Minnie, LWH, Green, etc. a post players (centers/PF).

Seemed like everyone was lumping anyone who wasn't a point guard or a center into "wings".

In any event, we don't have enough guards, or whatever anyone wants to call them. Outside of Jackson and Bond, we will be relying entirely on freshmen if we don't add a JUCO guard.

This is why I hope we have a scholarship in the bank. This Detroit area kid we offered went to BC and is now transferring. Love to have him. Think he was from Warren De La Salle.

He is the type of transfer which we seek: high major recruit who averages between 5 - 9 ppg as a soph and might want to finish up back home in MI.

And again, maybe, he stays high major or goes AAC or A-10??

http://verbalcommits.com/players/a-j-turner

Everyone knows that tomorrow is the start of spring (regular) signing period.

Don't expect any announcements from EMU until things are done, but recruits are pretty good with Twitter these days so maybe we'll hear something.

I do hope Epps signs early on. If not, why???? He has been committed for the longest time.

I'll double check, but I think I have Epps, Ellison, Green, Bernard, Williams, etc. as folks i follow on Twitter.

Green has signed and ellision has signing event today at 5pm

Ellision has signed what a steal for our program

(04-12-2017 02:54 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Green has signed and ellision has signing event today at 5pm

If Epps signs, he is scholarship player #13?

Ellison's signing ceremony:

https://twitter.com/Sloc12/status/852272904129712128

(04-12-2017 07:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 02:54 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Green has signed and ellision has signing event today at 5pm

If Epps signs, he is scholarship player #13?

Assuming there hasn't been any attrition we haven't heard about, yes. He would be #13.

(04-12-2017 08:01 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 07:07 PM)emu steve Wrote:  

(04-12-2017 02:54 PM)emu79 Wrote:  Green has signed and ellision has signing event today at 5pm

If Epps signs, he is scholarship player #13?

Assuming there hasn't been any attrition we haven't heard about, yes. He would be #13.

I'm wondering what's going on...

Why did EMU offer Bernard, JUCO SF, this month if the roster is basically set and 13 scholarship players have been identified. Another SF?

Is there a question with Epps? How about LWH? I know nothing about either (or others), but I'm playing the 'numbers game' - just counting heads.