(03-11-2026 01:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:45 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With the amount of product that flows through there, 2-3 more weeks of no movement will create an economic disaster for many countries.

If that happens, this could go down as one of the worst decisions ever made by a US president. Seems like they should have made sure they had this secured before they started bombing.

Also, if this goes on another 2-3 weeks, it will become fairly clear that this cannot be done by air and sea alone...and if you think this operation is unpopular now, wait to see how unpopular it becomes if we put boots on the ground and start piling up casualties.

You missed the part where plans are being made now to reroute any new oil. And the stuck ships may do the same, and stay out of the Strait.

But keep cheering for the worst to happen!

P.S. The initial estimate before Epic Fury started was that it would take 4 to 8 weeks.

Again with the logical fallacy.

And where exactly are they going to "reroute" it? Over land? And even if they could, that's clearly going to take a lot of time...again...throwing global supply chains into chaos.

And sure...the administration claimed at one point in their changing narrative that it may take 4 to 8 weeks, but that was not for a blockage of the strait. I have my doubts those idiots even considered the possibility of it. From their public rantings, they seemed to expect Iran to just roll over.

Good grief. It's not worth even trying to debate you. And yes, over land, per reports. They showed a map of the possible rail and road routes to safer ports.

Nor with you when you make a completely asinine statement like...

"keep cheering for the worst to happen!"

Anyway...put on a critical thinking cap and just try and comprehend the logistics and cost of off-loading hundreds of tankers...and moving the oil, LNG, fertilizer, etc. across land...and then tell us how quickly that would happen. Not to mention how that would be any more safe for the people moving the items...let alone assuring the safety of the infrastructure and all the countries it would need to pass through.

#NonStarter

(03-11-2026 01:09 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Core inflation at lowest levels in 4 years: check

Iran getting decimated: check

Tom: "look! shoes!"

(03-11-2026 01:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With the amount of product that flows through there, 2-3 more weeks of no movement will create an economic disaster for many countries.

If that happens, this could go down as one of the worst decisions ever made by a US president. Seems like they should have made sure they had this secured before they started bombing.

Also, if this goes on another 2-3 weeks, it will become fairly clear that this cannot be done by air and sea alone...and if you think this operation is unpopular now, wait to see how unpopular it becomes if we put boots on the ground and start piling up casualties.

Should they have also secured world peace and cured cancer first? There is no "alternative" to secure "before bombing". Thats why this Iranian threat has always been considered Iran's "nuclear option". That said---"bombing" is exactly how this threat is permanently removed from the board. We have removed one method of enforcing a closure of the Straight (navy gone--likely any permanent coastal missile emplacements are gone---along with their radars). Now we are working on the asymmetrical threats---as well as leadership strikes and our other goals (eliminating nuclear material threat and the ballistic missile threat).

Yes---this will result in some short term pain. Had we done nothing, we would have ended up with another N Korea---but this one would have been smack dab in one of the worlds most important regions and would eventually have the ability to hit the US mainland. If you want to end this threat that "Death to America" shouting Iran poses---ya want to do it before or AFTER iran has an actual nuclear weapon?

I'm old enough to remember when Iran was 2 weeks away from the bomb...two decades ago.

Pretty sure Obama told us so---and "saved" us with a deal that would not allow Iran to build a nuke until Obama was well out of office. #KickTheCanDownTheRoad

Obama had a deal.
IAEA said it was working.
trump killed deal with no replacement.
trump failed to negotiate a replacement.
ME is now a cluster and we're two weeks away from a global economic crisis.

Art of the Deal!

(03-11-2026 01:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  With the amount of product that flows through there, 2-3 more weeks of no movement will create an economic disaster for many countries.

If that happens, this could go down as one of the worst decisions ever made by a US president. Seems like they should have made sure they had this secured before they started bombing.

Also, if this goes on another 2-3 weeks, it will become fairly clear that this cannot be done by air and sea alone...and if you think this operation is unpopular now, wait to see how unpopular it becomes if we put boots on the ground and start piling up casualties.

Should they have also secured world peace and cured cancer first? There is no "alternative" to secure "before bombing". Thats why this Iranian threat has always been considered Iran's "nuclear option". That said---"bombing" is exactly how this threat is permanently removed from the board. We have removed one method of enforcing a closure of the Straight (navy gone--likely any permanent coastal missile emplacements are gone---along with their radars). Now we are working on the asymmetrical threats---as well as leadership strikes and our other goals (eliminating nuclear material threat and the ballistic missile threat).

Yes---this will result in some short term pain. Had we done nothing, we would have ended up with another N Korea---but this one would have been smack dab in one of the worlds most important regions and would eventually have the ability to hit the US mainland. If you want to end this threat that "Death to America" shouting Iran poses---ya want to do it before or AFTER iran has an actual nuclear weapon?

I'm old enough to remember when Iran was 2 weeks away from the bomb...two decades ago.

Pretty sure Obama told us so---and "saved" us with a deal that would not allow Iran to build a nuke until Obama was well out of office. #KickTheCanDownTheRoad

Obama had a deal.
IAEA said it was working.
trump killed deal with no replacement.
trump failed to negotiate a replacement.
ME is now a cluster and we're two weeks away from a global economic crisis.

Art of the Deal!

(03-11-2026 04:49 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 06:21 PM)hburg Wrote:  Lol yall should look at the replies....

(03-11-2026 06:24 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 06:21 PM)hburg Wrote:  Lol yall should look at the replies....

oopsie....

(03-11-2026 05:26 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 04:49 PM)CrimsonPhantom Wrote:  

Cuz China wants their darn oil---and as the China-Russia alliance junior lackey---Russia is in no position to veto something China wanted.

(03-11-2026 01:09 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Core inflation at lowest levels in 4 years: check

Iran getting decimated: check

Tom: "look! shoes!"

(03-12-2026 07:05 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:09 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  Core inflation at lowest levels in 4 years: check

Iran getting decimated: check

Tom: "look! shoes!"

(03-11-2026 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:57 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 10:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 10:48 AM)hburg Wrote:  Apparently a Thai merchant ship struck a mine in the straight of Homuz.

"These ships should go through the Strait of Hormuz and show some guts. There’s nothing to be afraid of. They have no Navy. We sunk all their ships,” ~ DJT

Yep, call off the war. Iran has bested us.

And people wonder why I continually harp on the lack of critical thinking.

(03-11-2026 04:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:46 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Should they have also secured world peace and cured cancer first? There is no "alternative" to secure "before bombing". Thats why this Iranian threat has always been considered Iran's "nuclear option". That said---"bombing" is exactly how this threat is permanently removed from the board. We have removed one method of enforcing a closure of the Straight (navy gone--likely any permanent coastal missile emplacements are gone---along with their radars). Now we are working on the asymmetrical threats---as well as leadership strikes and our other goals (eliminating nuclear material threat and the ballistic missile threat).

Yes---this will result in some short term pain. Had we done nothing, we would have ended up with another N Korea---but this one would have been smack dab in one of the worlds most important regions and would eventually have the ability to hit the US mainland. If you want to end this threat that "Death to America" shouting Iran poses---ya want to do it before or AFTER iran has an actual nuclear weapon?

I'm old enough to remember when Iran was 2 weeks away from the bomb...two decades ago.

Pretty sure Obama told us so---and "saved" us with a deal that would not allow Iran to build a nuke until Obama was well out of office. #KickTheCanDownTheRoad

Obama had a deal.
IAEA said it was working.
trump killed deal with no replacement.
trump failed to negotiate a replacement.
ME is now a cluster and we're two weeks away from a global economic crisis.

Art of the Deal!

Obama did not have a deal. Obama paid for a deal up front that the Iranians were secretly violating. The IAEA also was denied access to multiple suspected nuclear sites---so the IAEA cant really say whether it was working or not. The fact the Iranain's admitted in negotiations they have more enriched uranium than expected suggest they cheated during the ENTIRE deal right from the start.

Trump ended the deal because it would never stop Iran from getting a nuke and went back to the maximum sanctions position to pressure Iran back to the table for a deal that would actually work (that IS a plan). The truth is Iran never returned to the table---why is that? Because they never wanted a deal that would ACTUALLY stop them from getting a nuke---they wanted a deal like Obama gave them where they got lots of cash and were still allowed to progress toward a nuke (they only got that because Obama is a glittering jewel of ignorance).

So yes---its harder to block a nation from getting a nuke than it is to just let them have one. Welcome to the real world. The real world is hard. This is the kind of difficult work required to actually end the Iranian nuclear threat.

(03-12-2026 07:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:57 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 10:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 10:48 AM)hburg Wrote:  Apparently a Thai merchant ship struck a mine in the straight of Homuz.

"These ships should go through the Strait of Hormuz and show some guts. There’s nothing to be afraid of. They have no Navy. We sunk all their ships,” ~ DJT

Yep, call off the war. Iran has bested us.

And people wonder why I continually harp on the lack of critical thinking.

Nah, your comment was simply silly. No one expected this to be over in day or even a couple of weeks. I'll admit, my comment was silly as well.

(03-12-2026 08:47 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-12-2026 07:46 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:01 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:57 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 10:55 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  "These ships should go through the Strait of Hormuz and show some guts. There’s nothing to be afraid of. They have no Navy. We sunk all their ships,” ~ DJT

Yep, call off the war. Iran has bested us.

And people wonder why I continually harp on the lack of critical thinking.

Nah, your comment was simply silly. No one expected this to be over in day or even a couple of weeks. I'll admit, my comment was silly as well.

Dude, my "comment" was a direct quote from trump said to Kilmeade.

Lastly, yeah...this administration has said they expected this "excursion" to take weeks.

(03-12-2026 08:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 04:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 01:13 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(03-11-2026 12:59 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I'm old enough to remember when Iran was 2 weeks away from the bomb...two decades ago.

Pretty sure Obama told us so---and "saved" us with a deal that would not allow Iran to build a nuke until Obama was well out of office. #KickTheCanDownTheRoad

Obama had a deal.
IAEA said it was working.
trump killed deal with no replacement.
trump failed to negotiate a replacement.
ME is now a cluster and we're two weeks away from a global economic crisis.

Art of the Deal!

Obama did not have a deal. Obama paid for a deal up front that the Iranians were secretly violating. The IAEA also was denied access to multiple suspected nuclear sites---so the IAEA cant really say whether it was working or not. The fact the Iranain's admitted in negotiations they have more enriched uranium than expected suggest they cheated during the ENTIRE deal right from the start.

Trump ended the deal because it would never stop Iran from getting a nuke and went back to the maximum sanctions position to pressure Iran back to the table for a deal that would actually work (that IS a plan). The truth is Iran never returned to the table---why is that? Because they never wanted a deal that would ACTUALLY stop them from getting a nuke---they wanted a deal like Obama gave them where they got lots of cash and were still allowed to progress toward a nuke (they only got that because Obama is a glittering jewel of ignorance).

So yes---its harder to block a nation from getting a nuke than it is to just let them have one. Welcome to the real world. The real world is hard. This is the kind of difficult work required to actually end the Iranian nuclear threat.

You are free to have our opinion and mischaracterize the deal and that the IAEA said it was working all you want...that doesn't change the fact that trump just killed it with no replacement...and he failed to achieve ANY replacement of it. He failed.