I'll wait for the GOP to rescue defeat from the jaws of victory.

(10-29-2013 11:49 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  I'll wait for the GOP to rescue defeat from the jaws of victory.

You mean like ZeroCare?

(10-29-2013 11:22 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 08:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  But I do think eventually the truth will prevail, and people will see Obama as a socialist/communist who damn near destroyed us. I just hope there's enough left to be worth saving when that realization hits.

I wouldn't count on that.

I think the truth has a habit of always winning out. Look at Eastern Europe. I would count on that. If what you're not counting on is its happening in time, I may agree with you there. Again, look at Eastern Europe, where several decades and at least a generation were lost.

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Quote:What concerns me is that we will keep floundering from one extreme to the other because neither party seems capable of fielding a candidate who represents the majority of us. As long as we get candidates from the 20-25% fringe of either party, we're in trouble.

What type of "extreme"/"fringe" do you mean? If you are referring to ideological extremism or fringe-status, then I disagree. Mitt Romney, John McCain, George W. Bush, Bob Dole, George H.W. Bush -- None of them were ideologically to the Right of 75-80% of the American people as you implicitly suggest. George W Bush probably came closest to doing so, and of course he is the only one of the list to take the presidential oath of office twice. There's a lesson in that for those who think the GOP has "moved" "too far" "to the right", but I feel positive that lesson will go unlearned.

I definitely don't mean a conservative extreme. If anything, I mean a neo-con extreme, which really does not fit traditional republican--or truly conservative--values. The original neo-cons were Truman democrats who got angry with the anti-war, pro-drug 60s culture. They are pretty much conservative on every issue I'm liberal on, and liberal on every issue I'm conservative on. And I think a fiscally conservative, socially moderate, message plays much better with most Americans than does a big, intrusive, theocratic government. The GOP has not moved to far to the right, they've moved too far to the weird.

(10-29-2013 09:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:02 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 08:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I wouldn't start playing taps just yet. There are plenty of media types who lean so far left and have so much invested in him that they're going to let him keep pissing on us and telling us it's raining for some time to come.
But I do think eventually the truth will prevail, and people will see Obama as a socialist/communist who damn near destroyed us. I just hope there's enough left to be worth saving when that realization hits.
What concerns me is that we will keep floundering from one extreme to the other because neither party seems capable of fielding a candidate who represents the majority of us. As long as we get candidates from the 20-25% fringe of either party, we're in trouble.

I think the final nail has been driven. You cannot judge both parties when one party has been in control Washington for five years. You have repeatedly tried to pain both parties with one brush, while both parties are complete polar opposites - hence the filibuster - then the shutdown = all the blaming the GOP. Who's holding the stink bag now?

No, they're not polar opposites and that's the damn problem. They both agree on big government, just disagree on what for. They both agree tat rights need to be taken away from citizens, just differ on which rights. They're both fine with tax and regulatory systems that drive investment offshore, because by keeping things draconian for those who don't have special privileges, they can enhance their own power and prestige as the gatekeepers for the special privileges.

I usually hope republicans win, as the lesser of two evils. But the lesser of two evils is still pretty evil. And republicans have proved quite adept at screwing things up. Not quite on the scale of Obamacare, which is threatening to be FUBAR beyond all FUBAR. But way too often.

This. Only those not paying attention believe one gang is much different than the other.

(10-29-2013 10:06 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Down with corrupt government, your vote matters.

I wish I really believed that. I have voted against every incumbent congressman for decades...nothing changes.

(10-29-2013 08:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The Obamacare scam is just too much. Even the mainstream media is turning on him.

The media doesn't "turn" on anybody. The media reports the facts. One of which is the Affordable Care Act is increasing in popularity despite an avalanche of negative press.

(10-30-2013 06:03 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 08:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The Obamacare scam is just too much. Even the mainstream media is turning on him.

The media doesn't "turn" on anybody. The media reports the facts. One of which is the Affordable Care Act is increasing in popularity despite an avalanche of negative press.

(10-30-2013 06:37 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 06:03 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 08:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The Obamacare scam is just too much. Even the mainstream media is turning on him.

The media doesn't "turn" on anybody. The media reports the facts. One of which is the Affordable Care Act is increasing in popularity despite an avalanche of negative press.

... and 13% of those that disapprove do so because the law doesn't go far enough towards single payer so by that standard the opposition to the Affordable Care Act is relatively miniscule.

Don't you have a false god to go worship?

(10-30-2013 06:49 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Don't you have a false god to go worship?

No but I do have 2 flag burnings & an abortion on tap for Saturday

(10-30-2013 06:51 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 06:49 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Don't you have a false god to go worship?

No but I do have 2 flag burnings & an abortion on tap for Saturday

I'm sure you do

If you like Obama still, then you can tolerate anything.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/44873/...-president

(10-30-2013 06:03 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 08:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The Obamacare scam is just too much. Even the mainstream media is turning on him.

The media doesn't "turn" on anybody. The media reports the facts. One of which is the Affordable Care Act is increasing in popularity despite an avalanche of negative press.

(10-30-2013 05:41 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:15 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 09:02 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-29-2013 08:51 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  I wouldn't start playing taps just yet. There are plenty of media types who lean so far left and have so much invested in him that they're going to let him keep pissing on us and telling us it's raining for some time to come.
But I do think eventually the truth will prevail, and people will see Obama as a socialist/communist who damn near destroyed us. I just hope there's enough left to be worth saving when that realization hits.
What concerns me is that we will keep floundering from one extreme to the other because neither party seems capable of fielding a candidate who represents the majority of us. As long as we get candidates from the 20-25% fringe of either party, we're in trouble.

I think the final nail has been driven. You cannot judge both parties when one party has been in control Washington for five years. You have repeatedly tried to pain both parties with one brush, while both parties are complete polar opposites - hence the filibuster - then the shutdown = all the blaming the GOP. Who's holding the stink bag now?

No, they're not polar opposites and that's the damn problem. They both agree on big government, just disagree on what for. They both agree tat rights need to be taken away from citizens, just differ on which rights. They're both fine with tax and regulatory systems that drive investment offshore, because by keeping things draconian for those who don't have special privileges, they can enhance their own power and prestige as the gatekeepers for the special privileges.

I usually hope republicans win, as the lesser of two evils. But the lesser of two evils is still pretty evil. And republicans have proved quite adept at screwing things up. Not quite on the scale of Obamacare, which is threatening to be FUBAR beyond all FUBAR. But way too often.

This. Only those not paying attention believe one gang is much different than the other.

This comment is a shortcut to thinking. It doesn't really fit with reality or outline any sort of counter argument. It's just a robotic talking point. Much like the talking points we hear from liberals.

If you can effectively outline how Obamacare and the millions of people losing their health coverage isn't a major blow to the DNC, and a major boost for the RNC in the midterms, I'll listen. Otherwise, you just keep repeating a talking point that most libertarians just repeat without actually understand how or why.

What you don't seem to get is that, just because Obamacare may be a blow to the DNC, it doesn't necessarily mean squat for Republicans, beyond maybe a bunch of people staying home.

(10-30-2013 08:57 AM)Smaug Wrote:  What you don't seem to get is that, just because Obamacare may be a blow to the DNC, it doesn't necessarily mean squat for Republicans, beyond maybe a bunch of people staying home.

What you don't seem to get is the magnitude of what Obamacare is. What you don't seem to get is why 2010 happened and how it will happen again....this time on a much bigger scale.

Do you really think the millennials are going to save the day in state elections across the nation? Are you really so dense to assume people give two chits about the shutdown? My God dude. It's not one in the same.

Messing with people's health care is on another level.

(10-29-2013 08:57 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  You know it is getting bad when even Obama stalwart CNN has awoken from their koolaid induced stupor and actually writes a piece highly critical of the Obama Administration:

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/29/...t-so-much/

CNN is liberal, but they are non-partisan. They aren't a branch of the Democratic Party propaganda machine like ABC, NBC and CBS.

Part of the reason their ratings are suffering. They don't tell the liberals only what they want to hear like MSNBC.

(10-30-2013 09:01 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 08:57 AM)Smaug Wrote:  What you don't seem to get is that, just because Obamacare may be a blow to the DNC, it doesn't necessarily mean squat for Republicans, beyond maybe a bunch of people staying home.

What you don't seem to get is the magnitude of what Obamacare is. What you don't seem to get is why 2010 happened and how it will happen again....this time on a much bigger scale.

Do you really think the millennials are going to save the day in state elections across the nation? Are you really so dense to assume people give two chits about the shutdown? My God dude. It's not one in the same.

Messing with people's health care is on another level.

Damn you sure read a whole lot of something I didn't write.

(10-30-2013 09:18 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 09:01 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(10-30-2013 08:57 AM)Smaug Wrote:  What you don't seem to get is that, just because Obamacare may be a blow to the DNC, it doesn't necessarily mean squat for Republicans, beyond maybe a bunch of people staying home.

What you don't seem to get is the magnitude of what Obamacare is. What you don't seem to get is why 2010 happened and how it will happen again....this time on a much bigger scale.

Do you really think the millennials are going to save the day in state elections across the nation? Are you really so dense to assume people give two chits about the shutdown? My God dude. It's not one in the same.

Messing with people's health care is on another level.

Damn you sure read a whole lot of something I didn't write.

It's what you insinuate. You remind me of Doug Schoen. Naysayer - nothing we can do.

Shall we revisit the reason the DNC took such a beating in the 2010 midterms?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...=131044312

(10-29-2013 08:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  The Obamacare scam is just too much. Even the mainstream media is turning on him. The democrats will suffer another cataclysmic defeat in 2014. The Obama legacy is over.

It's not just the website. It's millions of Americans losing their coverage. It's premiums and deductibles soaring. Obama's blatant lies about the ACA are now out in the open. There is no way to spin it or downplay the damage. As I repeatedly predicted, those thinking the GOP would take the major blow from the shutdown are about to feast on a big plate of crow

There just isn't anyway to deny it at this point. Those on the left are in awe as they watch it all fall apart right in front of them. Those in the middle aren't ready to admit they were wrong.

So what you are saying is that you needed the Democrats to fail rather than the GOP to improve in order to win in 2014?

The lesser of two evils again I guess.

The American people must be proud.