Remember the republicans control Virginia and the elections right now. It is more likely Bob McDonnell and Bill Bolling have their dirty hands in this than the democrats. This was supposed to be Bolling’s year he has been waiting a decade for and they hate Cuccinelli for ruining that. There is also precedent from the 2012 primaries where they were successfully able to keep everyone but Romney off the ballot. We have reached a point where the establishment republicans may well be a bigger enemy than the democrats themselves.

Yes, it does appear we have another Al Franken voter fraud.

(11-13-2013 11:14 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Remember the republicans control Virginia and the elections right now. It is more likely Bob McDonnell and Bill Bolling have their dirty hands in this than the democrats.

We have reached a point where the establishment republicans may well be a bigger enemy than the democrats themselves.

Man, I pray to God that Cuccinelli brings charges against them. You know he's thinking about how to do it.

If he does... Cuccinelli 2016. Can't be beaten.

Time reports its all over. Obershein loses. Dem Governor, Both US Senate Seats, Dem LG, Dem AG. Dems will control of the Va Senate. Dems have won the last 2 Presidential elections in VA as well.

I'd like to thank the following people who have made this possible in Virginia.

1) Ted Cruz for shutting the government down
2) The VA GOP for denying the people of VA a primary
3) The Tea Party/Religious Right/Same Thing for pushing a guaranteed winner, Bill Bolling, out of the race
4) Gov. McDonnell for being a corrupt idiot. Where did he get his idea of ethics anyway? Oh yea, Pat Robertson's University.
5) AG Cucchinelli for attempting to recreate a law criminalizing all LGBT Persons by including a ban on all oral sex
6) The VA GOP for nominating a certified loon for LG.

McAuliffe was a flawed and a bad candidate. But he was better than the GOP.

(11-11-2013 08:33 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Democratic Governor, Democratic Lieutenant Governor, Democratic Attorney General, and 2 Democratic US Senators ... great things are happening in Virginia.

You seem to gloss over the veto-proof Republican majority in the House of Delegates. :)

(11-13-2013 12:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 08:33 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Democratic Governor, Democratic Lieutenant Governor, Democratic Attorney General, and 2 Democratic US Senators ... great things are happening in Virginia.

You seem to gloss over the veto-proof Republican majority in the House of Delegates. :)

Yes, the GOP did manage to redistrict the House so that 45% of the votes gives them 66% of the seats.

But that doesn't get you out of the problem that you can't redistrict the statewide seats. The GOP now controls zero of them.

I think the next, logical, push is for a non-partisan redistricting Constitutional Amendment, that requires districts to follow county/municipal lines.

(11-13-2013 12:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I think the next, logical, push is for a non-partisan redistricting Constitutional Amendment, that requires districts to follow county/municipal lines.

Why don't you move your molested butt to rural VA? Too scared to do/say anything past the keyboard eh?

Mind Your Business or step to the plate homo

(11-13-2013 12:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 12:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 08:33 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Democratic Governor, Democratic Lieutenant Governor, Democratic Attorney General, and 2 Democratic US Senators ... great things are happening in Virginia.

You seem to gloss over the veto-proof Republican majority in the House of Delegates. :)

Yes, the GOP did manage to redistrict the House so that 45% of the votes gives them 66% of the seats.

But that doesn't get you out of the problem that you can't redistrict the statewide seats. The GOP now controls zero of them.

I think the next, logical, push is for a non-partisan redistricting Constitutional Amendment, that requires districts to follow county/municipal lines.

Well sometime there is poppycock and then you have ridiculous poppycock.

Total votes for the Virginia House of Delegates 2,027,796. Republican votes for House of Delegate candidates 1,093,286 (53.9%)(More than McAuliffe got for Governor) , Democrat votes for the House of Delegates 828,824 (40.9%) (Less than E.W Jackson got for Lt. Governor), write-in and independent votes 105,686 (5.2%). There were 47 contested seats (Dem. vs. Rep.) with Republicans winning 34 of those. There were 53 uncontested seats with Republicans winning 33 of those.

I don't subscribe to poorly drawn districts by either side but I will just say this. Just as in NASCAR where you must first finish in order to finish first. In politics you must first win a sufficient number of seats in order to control the redistricting.

And if you care to check my arithmetic here is a link to the data.

http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resu...OD&map=CTY

(11-13-2013 02:57 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 12:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 12:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 08:33 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Democratic Governor, Democratic Lieutenant Governor, Democratic Attorney General, and 2 Democratic US Senators ... great things are happening in Virginia.

You seem to gloss over the veto-proof Republican majority in the House of Delegates. :)

Yes, the GOP did manage to redistrict the House so that 45% of the votes gives them 66% of the seats.

But that doesn't get you out of the problem that you can't redistrict the statewide seats. The GOP now controls zero of them.

I think the next, logical, push is for a non-partisan redistricting Constitutional Amendment, that requires districts to follow county/municipal lines.

Well sometime there is poppycock and then you have ridiculous poppycock.

Total votes for the Virginia House of Delegates 2,027,796. Republican votes for House of Delegate candidates 1,093,286 (53.9%)(More than McAuliffe got for Governor) , Democrat votes for the House of Delegates 828,824 (40.9%) (Less than E.W Jackson got for Lt. Governor), write-in and independent votes 105,686 (5.2%). There were 47 contested seats (Dem. vs. Rep.) with Republicans winning 34 of those. There were 53 uncontested seats with Republicans winning 33 of those.

I don't subscribe to poorly drawn districts by either side but I will just say this. Just as in NASCAR where you must first finish in order to finish first. In politics you must first win a sufficient number of seats in order to control the redistricting.

And if you care to check my arithmetic here is a link to the data.

http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resu...OD&map=CTY

The GA is not representative of the people's vote. 53% of the vote = 67% of the seats?

(11-13-2013 03:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 02:57 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 12:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 12:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 08:33 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Democratic Governor, Democratic Lieutenant Governor, Democratic Attorney General, and 2 Democratic US Senators ... great things are happening in Virginia.

You seem to gloss over the veto-proof Republican majority in the House of Delegates. :)

Yes, the GOP did manage to redistrict the House so that 45% of the votes gives them 66% of the seats.

But that doesn't get you out of the problem that you can't redistrict the statewide seats. The GOP now controls zero of them.

I think the next, logical, push is for a non-partisan redistricting Constitutional Amendment, that requires districts to follow county/municipal lines.

Well sometime there is poppycock and then you have ridiculous poppycock.

Total votes for the Virginia House of Delegates 2,027,796. Republican votes for House of Delegate candidates 1,093,286 (53.9%)(More than McAuliffe got for Governor) , Democrat votes for the House of Delegates 828,824 (40.9%) (Less than E.W Jackson got for Lt. Governor), write-in and independent votes 105,686 (5.2%). There were 47 contested seats (Dem. vs. Rep.) with Republicans winning 34 of those. There were 53 uncontested seats with Republicans winning 33 of those.

I don't subscribe to poorly drawn districts by either side but I will just say this. Just as in NASCAR where you must first finish in order to finish first. In politics you must first win a sufficient number of seats in order to control the redistricting.

And if you care to check my arithmetic here is a link to the data.

http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resu...OD&map=CTY

The GA is not representative of the people's vote. 53% of the vote = 67% of the seats?

Yes and that was by their own choice as they did not even name a candidate in 33 of the races and hence did not receive 1 vote from those 33.

(11-13-2013 11:14 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Remember the republicans control Virginia and the elections right now. It is more likely Bob McDonnell and Bill Bolling have their dirty hands in this than the democrats. This was supposed to be Bolling’s year he has been waiting a decade for and they hate Cuccinelli for ruining that. There is also precedent from the 2012 primaries where they were successfully able to keep everyone but Romney off the ballot. We have reached a point where the establishment republicans may well be a bigger enemy than the democrats themselves.

While this is certainly an unusual situation, I would find this a bit far-fetched. I was at Cuccinelli's victory party in 2009 and McDonnell gave a pretty rousing, enthusiastic and seemingly genuine strong endorsement of the AG. They are cut from similar cloth and similar beliefs/political persuasion.

Guess the book on this is still to be written so we'll see, but I think you're grasping here.

(11-13-2013 03:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 02:57 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 12:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 12:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 08:33 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Democratic Governor, Democratic Lieutenant Governor, Democratic Attorney General, and 2 Democratic US Senators ... great things are happening in Virginia.

You seem to gloss over the veto-proof Republican majority in the House of Delegates. :)

Yes, the GOP did manage to redistrict the House so that 45% of the votes gives them 66% of the seats.

But that doesn't get you out of the problem that you can't redistrict the statewide seats. The GOP now controls zero of them.

I think the next, logical, push is for a non-partisan redistricting Constitutional Amendment, that requires districts to follow county/municipal lines.

Well sometime there is poppycock and then you have ridiculous poppycock.

Total votes for the Virginia House of Delegates 2,027,796. Republican votes for House of Delegate candidates 1,093,286 (53.9%)(More than McAuliffe got for Governor) , Democrat votes for the House of Delegates 828,824 (40.9%) (Less than E.W Jackson got for Lt. Governor), write-in and independent votes 105,686 (5.2%). There were 47 contested seats (Dem. vs. Rep.) with Republicans winning 34 of those. There were 53 uncontested seats with Republicans winning 33 of those.

I don't subscribe to poorly drawn districts by either side but I will just say this. Just as in NASCAR where you must first finish in order to finish first. In politics you must first win a sufficient number of seats in order to control the redistricting.

And if you care to check my arithmetic here is a link to the data.

http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resu...OD&map=CTY

The GA is not representative of the people's vote. 53% of the vote = 67% of the seats?

So the actual number is 53%? Pretty sure you tried to lie earlier and made claim it was merely 45%? I can probably go find that post, do I need to go find that? So was it 45 you claimed or the 53 DM got from the actual election results?

why does the left continuously and consistently feel the need to lie to make their obviously disingenuous "points"?

To say it undermines the credibility of you progs would mistakenly admit you have any.

(11-13-2013 03:02 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 02:57 PM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 12:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-13-2013 12:27 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(11-11-2013 08:33 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  Democratic Governor, Democratic Lieutenant Governor, Democratic Attorney General, and 2 Democratic US Senators ... great things are happening in Virginia.

You seem to gloss over the veto-proof Republican majority in the House of Delegates. :)

Yes, the GOP did manage to redistrict the House so that 45% of the votes gives them 66% of the seats.

But that doesn't get you out of the problem that you can't redistrict the statewide seats. The GOP now controls zero of them.

I think the next, logical, push is for a non-partisan redistricting Constitutional Amendment, that requires districts to follow county/municipal lines.

Well sometime there is poppycock and then you have ridiculous poppycock.

Total votes for the Virginia House of Delegates 2,027,796. Republican votes for House of Delegate candidates 1,093,286 (53.9%)(More than McAuliffe got for Governor) , Democrat votes for the House of Delegates 828,824 (40.9%) (Less than E.W Jackson got for Lt. Governor), write-in and independent votes 105,686 (5.2%). There were 47 contested seats (Dem. vs. Rep.) with Republicans winning 34 of those. There were 53 uncontested seats with Republicans winning 33 of those.

I don't subscribe to poorly drawn districts by either side but I will just say this. Just as in NASCAR where you must first finish in order to finish first. In politics you must first win a sufficient number of seats in order to control the redistricting.

And if you care to check my arithmetic here is a link to the data.

http://electionresults.virginia.gov/resu...OD&map=CTY

The GA is not representative of the people's vote. 53% of the vote = 67% of the seats?

So you are saying that if one party wins 4 seats by 1 vote and the other party wins 1 seat by 4 votes then representation should be equal as both will have received the same number of votes? And this assumes that each district has the exact number of people and voters.

Harry Truman Wrote:When even one American-who has done nothing wrong - is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril

This best describes the VA debacle. Taxpayers, shut your mouth.

Gerrymandering is only delaying the inevitable. The GOP has been dying as a party for the better part of the last decade. Ideological and demographic shifts across America, including Virginia, will force the GOP either cast the right-wing extremists out or the party will die. Either way, today's GOP is in its final days.

The Liberal/Communist agenda is in a death spiral if you haven't noticed. It has become the Liars party.

To me one of the main differences that must be examined is the definite line in the sand that separates the federal government and state government. People have different preferences for who they want as a legislator nationally (or, more generally, a president) and locally it is much more in tuned with individualism rather than party affiliation though the party is still a massive factor in the equation.

(11-16-2013 03:28 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  To me one of the main differences that must be examined is the definite line in the sand that separates the federal government and state government. People have different preferences for who they want as a legislator nationally (or, more generally, a president) and locally it is much more in tuned with individualism rather than party affiliation though the party is still a massive factor in the equation.

That really isn't the case with the US House or the VA House of Delegates.

What you DON'T see is Republicans winning seats because they have individual candidates that gain crossover support. What you see is the Republicans winning races because they've concentrated the Dem votes in fewer districts. Its not evidence of GOP support at a local level. The Dems gained more votes than the GOP.

(11-16-2013 10:06 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(11-16-2013 03:28 AM)Ole Blue Wrote:  To me one of the main differences that must be examined is the definite line in the sand that separates the federal government and state government. People have different preferences for who they want as a legislator nationally (or, more generally, a president) and locally it is much more in tuned with individualism rather than party affiliation though the party is still a massive factor in the equation.

That really isn't the case with the US House or the VA House of Delegates.

What you DON'T see is Republicans winning seats because they have individual candidates that gain crossover support. What you see is the Republicans winning races because they've concentrated the Dem votes in fewer districts. Its not evidence of GOP support at a local level. The Dems gained more votes than the GOP.

I was talking more of statewide offices. Obviously, House/Senate type state elections are a different issue with the issue of gerrymandering and what not that can dilute an accurate representation of the people.