What in the hell do we have to do to be last?

Every poll has ECU as the highest in CUSA. Who the hell cares where ball state or UNC fall. . . they arent in our conference. We took care of all the games we were supposed to win, with the exception of UNC which we were a 10 point dog. We lost to a top 25 team by 5 points in a game were we dropped the easiest pick 6 I have ever seen. Stepping into Huntington I fully expect to have 1 loss and be ranked. I honestly hope Marshall can say the same (2 losses) because beating a top 25 team in our last divisional CUSA championship will be a beautiful ending to our fairly dominate tenure in the post 2005 CUSA. Now bring on Tulane.

(10-07-2013 07:21 PM)shiftyeagle Wrote:  What in the hell do we have to do to be last?

Just keep doing what you're doing. You'll get there. You'll probably win and mess it up though.

(10-07-2013 07:10 PM)banker Wrote:  SJ, if a team plays Alabama, Oregon, Stanford and LSU in OOC play and goes 0-4 does that mean they are good?

When they are coming off a 8-4 season and predicted to win 8 or more games again this year just about everywhere it doesn't necessarily mean they are bad either just that they got off to a tough start vs the schedule they have.

Quote:In your eyes it make them great because they played the #1 toughest schedule apparently.

Not at all, but I do think it's to early to write their obituary. Give them that crappy schedule you played and they would likely be 4-1 right now.

Quote:UNC is not a good football team this year. I understand why you want to think they are, to give more value to your rare win over them, but they are not the same team they were last year. They are 1-4, probably look at 1-5. They need a heck of a run to get bowl eligible this year.

One of Fedora's teams at USM started like 1-5 and went to a bowl and won it I think.

Quote:That's your MO though, overvalue everything ECU does and undervalue everything anyone else does. UNT beating Ball State is a good win.

So was your moral victory over Ohio

Quote:According to Sagarin ECU has beaten #128 ODU, #97 FAU, #74 UNC and #108 MTSU. Ball State is #63. Ball State has as many FBS victories than the 4 teams you have beaten combined.

LOL there you are with your ridiculous Sargarin. They rank Ohio 14 spots behind Marshall even though you lost to them, have a better record and vs a stronger SOS. It makes no sense. You are ranked ahead of 2 unbeaten teams that have played stronger SOS's too and that pile of crap.

(10-07-2013 06:50 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:07 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  UNC is 0-2 in conference games

vs two current top 30 teams that have been to multiple championship games the last few years. They played VT with out their senior All Conf QB as well.

Quote: and 1-1 at home vs teams it crushes in terms of revenue, resources, facilities, talent and coaches.

Yeah they crushed a pretty good MTSU team that that will likely win 7 or 8 games again this year. We are the only team they probably should have beat on paper and we played exceptional that day. I don't think any of us could match their NFL talent though combined.

Quote:That's not a tough schedule, and that's not a good team.

Whatever. They were certainly more talented than any team you've beat.

Let's put this in perspective.

UNC has 8 current projected NFL draft picks in this draft if they come out.

Ebron 1-2 round
Hurst 1-2 round
Martin 2-3 round
Scott 3 round
Boston 3-4 round
Renner 7th round
Jackson 7th round
Price 7th round


Ohio has Zero.

exactly, they are loaded with talent but can't beat a G5 team at home or 2 of their conference mates. That's the whole point! Good teams with that much talent don't lose those games.

(10-07-2013 08:01 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  exactly, they are loaded with talent but can't beat a G5 team at home or 2 of their conference mates. That's the whole point! Good teams with that much talent don't lose those games.

Tell that to the Miami team we beat in 1999 with like 10 first rounders, or the Virginia Tech or West Virginia teams we beat a few years ago, or NC State with Russell Wilson we beat in Ruff's first year. They all went on to finish highly ranked. Just because you lose to ECU doesn't automatically make you a bad team.

(10-07-2013 06:50 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 06:07 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  UNC is 0-2 in conference games

vs two current top 30 teams that have been to multiple championship games the last few years. They played VT with out their senior All Conf QB as well.

Quote: and 1-1 at home vs teams it crushes in terms of revenue, resources, facilities, talent and coaches.

Yeah they crushed a pretty good MTSU team that that will likely win 7 or 8 games again this year. We are the only team they probably should have beat on paper and we played exceptional that day. I don't think any of us could match their NFL talent though combined.

Quote:That's not a tough schedule, and that's not a good team.

Whatever. They were certainly more talented than any team you've beat.

Let's put this in perspective.

UNC has 8 current projected NFL draft picks in this draft if they come out.

Ebron 1-2 round
Hurst 1-2 round
Martin 2-3 round
Scott 3 round
Boston 3-4 round
Renner 7th round
Jackson 7th round
Price 7th round


Ohio has Zero.

The number of draft picks actually mean zip in rating college teams if their team isn't performing on the field. I've never seen an * by a team being rated to check their potential draft picks.

Like it or not, this is how the OC wins for CSA teams look according to Massey Composites and probably most other rating systems.

#44 Ball State (UNT)
#76 North Carolina (ECU)
#92 Memphis (MT)
#97 Kansas (Rice)
#98 Colorado State (Tulsa)
#103 ULM (Tulane)
#106 USF (FAU)
#108 New Mexico (UTSA)
#118 Idaho (UNT)
#124 Miami (O) (Marshall)
#125 New Mexico State (UTEP)

Non FBS Wins
ODU (ECU)
Gardner-Webb (Marshall)
W. Carolina (MT)
N'West State (UAB)
Jackson State (Tulane)
Lamar (Louisiana Tech)

No wins vs Top 25 programs. Only 1 FBS team, Ball State, has a winning record at 4-1. Kansas is 2-2.

I don't understand why everyone argues so much and gets so up into their feelings over these rankings.. I could care less where Marshall is after 5 games.. I care where Marshall is after 12 games and where I want to be is in the CUSA championship game.. These rankings mean nothing, take care of business and win football games and everything else will take care of itself

(10-07-2013 09:24 PM)HerdAlum83 Wrote:  I don't understand why everyone argues so much and gets so up into their feelings over these rankings.. I could care less where Marshall is after 5 games.. I care where Marshall is after 12 games and where I want to be is in the CUSA championship game.. These rankings mean nothing, take care of business and win football games and everything else will take care of itself

THIS^^^^^

(10-07-2013 05:43 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 05:31 PM)MG61 Wrote:  On this planet oh mighty one. This site's pre-season prediction for North Carolina #57 7-5 record. Ball State #53 8-4 record. Please link one site where North Carolina is ranked higher than Ball State.

Link
http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/team_links.html

A 7-5 BCS team with UNC's schedule would likely not be ranked behind a 8-4 projected 105 SOS MAC team. Pretty much discredits this poll if that's what they truly thought.

How about Marshall's beloved Phil Steele. He had UNC 39 and Ball State 87 in the preseason.

You may be the dumbest mfer on the internet. Why do you keep bouncing between rankings, and now even between the time the rankings were conducted, based on which supports your argument? In this thread alone, you have praised CBS Sports for their current subjective ranking and Phil Steele's preseason subjective ranking.

Would you like to place a wager on November's game?

(10-07-2013 07:27 PM)EastCarolinaU- Wrote:  Every poll has ECU as the highest in CUSA. Who the hell cares where ball state or UNC fall. . . they arent in our conference. We took care of all the games we were supposed to win, with the exception of UNC which we were a 10 point dog. We lost to a top 25 team by 5 points in a game were we dropped the easiest pick 6 I have ever seen. Stepping into Huntington I fully expect to have 1 loss and be ranked. I honestly hope Marshall can say the same (2 losses) because beating a top 25 team in our last divisional CUSA championship will be a beautiful ending to our fairly dominate tenure in the post 2005 CUSA. Now bring on Tulane.

Wait, what?

Those CFN rankings are complete bogus.

(10-07-2013 09:49 PM)Hank Rearden Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 07:27 PM)EastCarolinaU- Wrote:  Every poll has ECU as the highest in CUSA. Who the hell cares where ball state or UNC fall. . . they arent in our conference. We took care of all the games we were supposed to win, with the exception of UNC which we were a 10 point dog. We lost to a top 25 team by 5 points in a game were we dropped the easiest pick 6 I have ever seen. Stepping into Huntington I fully expect to have 1 loss and be ranked. I honestly hope Marshall can say the same (2 losses) because beating a top 25 team in our last divisional CUSA championship will be a beautiful ending to our fairly dominate tenure in the post 2005 CUSA. Now bring on Tulane.

Wait, what?

Let me break it down for you.
1. ECU is the highest ranked CUSA team in every poll.
2. Who cares about an argument between ball st and UNC, they aren't playing in our conference.
3. ECU won every game they should, and one they shouldn't have.
4. Our one loss was to a top 25 team, in a game that we could have easily won with one play.
5. I expect we run through CUSA and get to Huntington with one loss. . . this will mean we are ranked.
6. I hope Marshall doesn't lose another and is also ranked.
7. Leaving CUSA with a divisional championship win against another top 25 team would be a fitting way to leave since we have been fairly dominate since the 2005 CUSA started.
8. I can't wait to stomp Tulane.

Was that easier for you to understand?

(10-07-2013 10:59 PM)AirRaid Wrote:  Those CFN rankings are complete bogus.

Yeah that poll has Alabama 7th. So yeah it is bogus.

(10-07-2013 11:10 PM)EastCarolinaU- Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:49 PM)Hank Rearden Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 07:27 PM)EastCarolinaU- Wrote:  Every poll has ECU as the highest in CUSA. Who the hell cares where ball state or UNC fall. . . they arent in our conference. We took care of all the games we were supposed to win, with the exception of UNC which we were a 10 point dog. We lost to a top 25 team by 5 points in a game were we dropped the easiest pick 6 I have ever seen. Stepping into Huntington I fully expect to have 1 loss and be ranked. I honestly hope Marshall can say the same (2 losses) because beating a top 25 team in our last divisional CUSA championship will be a beautiful ending to our fairly dominate tenure in the post 2005 CUSA. Now bring on Tulane.

Wait, what?

Let me break it down for you.
1. ECU is the highest ranked CUSA team in every poll.
2. Who cares about an argument between ball st and UNC, they aren't playing in our conference.
3. ECU won every game they should, and one they shouldn't have.
4. Our one loss was to a top 25 team, in a game that we could have easily won with one play.
5. I expect we run through CUSA and get to Huntington with one loss. . . this will mean we are ranked.
6. I hope Marshall doesn't lose another and is also ranked.
7. Leaving CUSA with a divisional championship win against another top 25 team would be a fitting way to leave since we have been fairly dominate since the 2005 CUSA started.
8. I can't wait to stomp Tulane.

Was that easier for you to understand?

But you haven't been "fairly dominate" in CUSA. You've been a top tier team, and nothing more. Tulsa, Houston and UCF all had better tenures during that time period. Hell, we had the worst 8 year run in the last 40 years of our program and there were only 1-2 years where ECU was clearly the better team.

Don't worry, we're going to send you packing to the AAC with your collective tails between your legs. Herd by 21.

(10-08-2013 09:12 AM)Hank Rearden Wrote:  But you haven't been "fairly dominate" in CUSA. You've been a top tier team, and nothing more. Tulsa, Houston and UCF all had better tenures during that time period. Hell, we had the worst 8 year run in the last 40 years of our program and there were only 1-2 years where ECU was clearly the better team.

Don't worry, we're going to send you packing to the AAC with your collective tails between your legs. Herd by 21.

First off I love the user-name. More people need to read that book.

Secondly, ECU is 6-2 against Marshall since they joined CUSA. It may be the worst 8 year run in Marshall's history, but ECU still handled Marshall pretty convincingly over that period. Hell it took a miracle (and poor coaching in the last overtime by ECU) in your best year to beat ECU in the GMAC bowl.

I would agree that ECU hasn't dominated CUSA by any measure, but our good years have been better than average and our bad years have been average for the most part.

A lot of ECU fans, myself included, are excited about this year and are hoping to roll into Hunnington @ 10-1 for a good game with Marshall. Going out on top would certainly be a good feeling.

(10-08-2013 09:12 AM)Hank Rearden Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 11:10 PM)EastCarolinaU- Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 09:49 PM)Hank Rearden Wrote:  

(10-07-2013 07:27 PM)EastCarolinaU- Wrote:  Every poll has ECU as the highest in CUSA. Who the hell cares where ball state or UNC fall. . . they arent in our conference. We took care of all the games we were supposed to win, with the exception of UNC which we were a 10 point dog. We lost to a top 25 team by 5 points in a game were we dropped the easiest pick 6 I have ever seen. Stepping into Huntington I fully expect to have 1 loss and be ranked. I honestly hope Marshall can say the same (2 losses) because beating a top 25 team in our last divisional CUSA championship will be a beautiful ending to our fairly dominate tenure in the post 2005 CUSA. Now bring on Tulane.

Wait, what?

Let me break it down for you.
1. ECU is the highest ranked CUSA team in every poll.
2. Who cares about an argument between ball st and UNC, they aren't playing in our conference.
3. ECU won every game they should, and one they shouldn't have.
4. Our one loss was to a top 25 team, in a game that we could have easily won with one play.
5. I expect we run through CUSA and get to Huntington with one loss. . . this will mean we are ranked.
6. I hope Marshall doesn't lose another and is also ranked.
7. Leaving CUSA with a divisional championship win against another top 25 team would be a fitting way to leave since we have been fairly dominate since the 2005 CUSA started.
8. I can't wait to stomp Tulane.

Was that easier for you to understand?

But you haven't been "fairly dominate" in CUSA. You've been a top tier team, and nothing more. Tulsa, Houston and UCF all had better tenures during that time period. Hell, we had the worst 8 year run in the last 40 years of our program and there were only 1-2 years where ECU was clearly the better team.

Don't worry, we're going to send you packing to the AAC with your collective tails between your legs. Herd by 21.

BullShat. Since 2005 ECU is 48-20 versus CUSA.

5-3 vs UCF
3-2 vs Tulsa
3-2 vs Houston
6-2 vs Marshall

ECU has 2 Championships
UCF 2
Tulsa 2
Houston 1`
Marshall 0

Let me know how that's not fairly dominate

I missed this. Good job on the numbers and showing we were the best in CUSA 2.0. He also says it was Marshall's worst streach ever, well no crap. You were in the Southern Conference and MAC before that. It's a better conference, that's why you moved up from those and your records moved down.

These guys kill me. If a team averaged 35-50% more fans depending on the year and actually you know have had a winning record, much less a dominat one like ours in CUSA 2.0 unlike Marshall has a losing one in CUSA. I wouldn't be running my mouth.

Dominant - commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others.

ECU has not been dominant. Dominant is like Marshall winning 5 straight MAC titles. Dominant is like Alabama over the college football world the last 5 years. Two championships in 8 years is not dominant.

And SJ, moving to CUSA is not what made us have a horrible 8 years. Having our coach retire and bringing in a bad replacement is what hurt us. Having an AD who was an idiot hurt us. Being down 15 scholarships hurt us. We played 5 CUSA teams while we were in the MAC, every one in a bowl so they all had a winning record and were top half teams, and we had no problem "dominating" them.

(10-09-2013 09:18 AM)banker Wrote:  Dominant - commanding, controlling, or prevailing over all others.

40-13 vs CUSA since 2007

Quote:And SJ, moving to CUSA is not what made us have a horrible 8 years. Having our coach retire

...is that what you call a coach staring down probation stepping away forced or not?

Quote:Being down 15 scholarships hurt us.

Why don't you just say you were cheating to be good and had to pay for it on probation?

Quote:We played 5 CUSA teams while we were in the MAC, every one in a bowl so they all had a winning record and were top half teams, and we had no problem "dominating" them.

Yeah I know you had to comeback from 30 to beat our 6-6 team in OT and got put on probation the next day. You won vs CUSA #5's because you were doing things to help you win other schools werent that got you on probation.