(09-12-2013 11:03 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  When does it become someone's PERSONAL responsibility to care for the responsibilities they create? 6 freaking bastard children, of which, maybe 2 (if lucky) will at some point in their lives actually pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits from the nanny state.

I received no pleasure or "happy ending" from some anonymous parasite's orgasm, yet I am beholden to pay for the repercussions of the act every time I receive a paycheck, pay a cell phone bill, or pay my local taxes.

I do not hate the poor for being poor. I loathe them for being able to contribute nothing to society but Democrat voters, higher crime rates, and twerking dance moves; and I absolutely hate those in power that facilitate the never-ending coddling and reproduction of these tapeworms on our once great country,

Smitty - I do enjoy your descriptive way with words.

(09-13-2013 12:50 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:03 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  When does it become someone's PERSONAL responsibility to care for the responsibilities they create? 6 freaking bastard children, of which, maybe 2 (if lucky) will at some point in their lives actually pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits from the nanny state.

I received no pleasure or "happy ending" from some anonymous parasite's orgasm, yet I am beholden to pay for the repercussions of the act every time I receive a paycheck, pay a cell phone bill, or pay my local taxes.

I do not hate the poor for being poor. I loathe them for being able to contribute nothing to society but Democrat voters, higher crime rates, and twerking dance moves; and I absolutely hate those in power that facilitate the never-ending coddling and reproduction of these tapeworms on our once great country,

Smitty - I do enjoy your descriptive way with words.

Like they say, great morons think alike. That is why you think like him.

Do you have anything of value to add to the conversation, Robs?

Wait. Never mind. I know the answer.

(09-13-2013 02:07 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Do you have anything of value to add to the conversation, Robs?

Wait. Never mind. I know the answer.

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(09-13-2013 01:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 12:50 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:03 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  When does it become someone's PERSONAL responsibility to care for the responsibilities they create? 6 freaking bastard children, of which, maybe 2 (if lucky) will at some point in their lives actually pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits from the nanny state.

I received no pleasure or "happy ending" from some anonymous parasite's orgasm, yet I am beholden to pay for the repercussions of the act every time I receive a paycheck, pay a cell phone bill, or pay my local taxes.

I do not hate the poor for being poor. I loathe them for being able to contribute nothing to society but Democrat voters, higher crime rates, and twerking dance moves; and I absolutely hate those in power that facilitate the never-ending coddling and reproduction of these tapeworms on our once great country,

Smitty - I do enjoy your descriptive way with words.

Like they say, great minds think alike. That is why you think like him.

Poor guy, you've got it wrong. It's "great minds think alike." I fixed it for you.

(09-13-2013 09:51 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:26 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:22 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:07 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 03:05 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  You were actually being decent until you jabbed at me and said "generally based on her race it seems."

My whole issue, regardless of your race, is having so many kids. I have 4 boys, all from the same woman, and we were married from the first born to the last, I was in the oilfield making great money so all the babies were insured, it was all taken care of and they were all affordable. You're right, this woman might have had it made during all those kids and hit a stroke of poor luck and if thats the case then I have no problem helping out. But you and I both know that it's not the case in most circumstances.

How do you _know_ it's not the case? Do you have hard evidence that proves that most people on foodstamps are on it because they milk the system? I mean actual scientific data. Not some opinion piece. Walmart has tons of employees. Walmart does not pay these employees a living wage, and thus many walmart employees are forced to use foodstamps to live. Are they milking the system?

Way to miss the point. The company I work for has a CSR dept, many of those CSR's are on food stamps. They're single, or always partying, or have different boyfriends every month, and they ARE milking the system. They have KIDS and sell their food stamps for cash so they can buy other sh*t. Do you want to know the statistic of which race is on them? They aren't afraid to brag about "playing the system." There is one nasty little white girl and her mom on them, there are 3 hispanics, and about 14 blacks... So yeah, they brag about how they play the system "since they pay taxes too" and it's really frustrating because the honest ones (black and white, don't know about the other hispanics) go hungry because they DON'T have food because they are responsible and pay for their cars and rent houses, etc. I admire those guys. They make due with what they've got.

How did I miss the point? You said most people aren't on food stamps because of bad luck or reasons out of their control. I asked for clarification and data to prove your point. I didn't ask about your personal experience of the people who take advantage of the system in your company. I asked about nationwide. Because with unemployment near 10%, it's hard for someone to just "go out and find a job", much less one that pays enough to live on.

There are jobs. Just not ones that pay more than getting a welfare check. We should incentivize people to take these jobs and not penalize them by reducing their incomes. We should continue to subsidize the difference. We should also help them with child care if that is what it takes to keep them working. Let's keep in mind that ANY job makes one a tax payer at that point. It also gives them self respect and work ethics. Getting them off the couch and into productive work at any salary should be our goal if we actually want to help people and end the cycle of poverty and government dependence. We have to start somewhere.

Well then you'll be doubly disappointed by this- I don't have any idea how old you are or how aware/involved you may have been at the time, but go check out The "end of welfare as we know it", Bill Clinton and the PRWORA Act. Pretty much exactly what you spell out above.

It was/is widely credited as a huge success by both reasonable Democrats (hard to come by these days) and right minded Republicans. It was negotiated behind closed doors by Newt and Slick Willy and what they came up with capped the welfare for life routine, provided training and assistance with child care, recognized the need and incentivized States to get people off the dole and into jobs.

Welfare caseloads had decreased 70% since 1996, meaning around 9 million fewer people dependent on Government.

Now, after checking that out, take a look at what happened to the Act, and who did it.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions from what you find so I don't run the risk being called a racist...

(09-13-2013 01:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 12:50 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:03 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  When does it become someone's PERSONAL responsibility to care for the responsibilities they create? 6 freaking bastard children, of which, maybe 2 (if lucky) will at some point in their lives actually pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits from the nanny state.

I received no pleasure or "happy ending" from some anonymous parasite's orgasm, yet I am beholden to pay for the repercussions of the act every time I receive a paycheck, pay a cell phone bill, or pay my local taxes.

I do not hate the poor for being poor. I loathe them for being able to contribute nothing to society but Democrat voters, higher crime rates, and twerking dance moves; and I absolutely hate those in power that facilitate the never-ending coddling and reproduction of these tapeworms on our once great country,

Smitty - I do enjoy your descriptive way with words.

Like they say, great morons think alike. That is why you think like him.

The fry vat is calling..........and after that - you'll get sex with your hand since no females want a 39 year old "fry daddy".

(09-13-2013 02:41 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 01:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 12:50 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:03 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  When does it become someone's PERSONAL responsibility to care for the responsibilities they create? 6 freaking bastard children, of which, maybe 2 (if lucky) will at some point in their lives actually pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits from the nanny state.

I received no pleasure or "happy ending" from some anonymous parasite's orgasm, yet I am beholden to pay for the repercussions of the act every time I receive a paycheck, pay a cell phone bill, or pay my local taxes.

I do not hate the poor for being poor. I loathe them for being able to contribute nothing to society but Democrat voters, higher crime rates, and twerking dance moves; and I absolutely hate those in power that facilitate the never-ending coddling and reproduction of these tapeworms on our once great country,

Smitty - I do enjoy your descriptive way with words.

Like they say, great morons think alike. That is why you think like him.

The fry vat is calling..........and after that - you'll get sex with your hand since no females want a 39 year old "fry daddy".

This is close as he'll get... His "bestie"

And I found Ringwormtom too... I can imagine this guy running around calling everyone a fool if they disagree with him...

(09-13-2013 09:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 09:23 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Damn, that b*tch stood in line for 6 hours and won't get a motherf*cking job to feed her SIX kids? I didn't see one single family in there that can't get out and get a job to make extra money.

Some people have jobs that are far easier that standing in line for 6 hours. Has it even occured to you that it's actually hard to get a job when you have no skills and 6 children?

The question should be...Why did the system allow her to have 6 kids she can not support in the first place? There is nothing we can do about her situation at this point but continue to support her sorry ass. It damn sure should be used as an example of what needs to change in the future.

Would you prefer a system that stops her from having 6 kids? How is that freedom?

(09-13-2013 02:07 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Do you have anything of value to add to the conversation, Robs?

Wait. Never mind. I know the answer.

I actually do but I don't bother doing so because it is just a waste of time. Besides, trolling is more fun. :)

(09-13-2013 02:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 01:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 12:50 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:03 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  When does it become someone's PERSONAL responsibility to care for the responsibilities they create? 6 freaking bastard children, of which, maybe 2 (if lucky) will at some point in their lives actually pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits from the nanny state.

I received no pleasure or "happy ending" from some anonymous parasite's orgasm, yet I am beholden to pay for the repercussions of the act every time I receive a paycheck, pay a cell phone bill, or pay my local taxes.

I do not hate the poor for being poor. I loathe them for being able to contribute nothing to society but Democrat voters, higher crime rates, and twerking dance moves; and I absolutely hate those in power that facilitate the never-ending coddling and reproduction of these tapeworms on our once great country,

Smitty - I do enjoy your descriptive way with words.

Like they say, great minds think alike. That is why you think like him.

Poor guy, you've got it wrong. It's "great minds think alike." I fixed it for you.

You know, you are right that is what it is supposed to be. Problem is that your "fix" doesn't fit the situation. Neither of them have great minds. So I will stick with mine.

(09-13-2013 02:41 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 01:52 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 12:50 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:03 PM)ODUsmitty Wrote:  When does it become someone's PERSONAL responsibility to care for the responsibilities they create? 6 freaking bastard children, of which, maybe 2 (if lucky) will at some point in their lives actually pay more in taxes than they receive in benefits from the nanny state.

I received no pleasure or "happy ending" from some anonymous parasite's orgasm, yet I am beholden to pay for the repercussions of the act every time I receive a paycheck, pay a cell phone bill, or pay my local taxes.

I do not hate the poor for being poor. I loathe them for being able to contribute nothing to society but Democrat voters, higher crime rates, and twerking dance moves; and I absolutely hate those in power that facilitate the never-ending coddling and reproduction of these tapeworms on our once great country,

Smitty - I do enjoy your descriptive way with words.

Like they say, great morons think alike. That is why you think like him.

The fry vat is calling..........and after that - you'll get sex with your hand since no females want a 39 year old "fry daddy".

I don't make fries and I haven't been 39 for 2 years and I don't use my hand. I have a blow up doll for that.

The Dems need the votes.

(09-14-2013 12:56 AM)RobertN Wrote:  I don't make fries and I haven't been 39 for 2 years and I don't use my hand. I have a blow up doll for that.

Erect Obama 2012


(Engrish?)

(09-14-2013 12:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 09:23 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Damn, that b*tch stood in line for 6 hours and won't get a motherf*cking job to feed her SIX kids? I didn't see one single family in there that can't get out and get a job to make extra money.

Some people have jobs that are far easier that standing in line for 6 hours. Has it even occured to you that it's actually hard to get a job when you have no skills and 6 children?

The question should be...Why did the system allow her to have 6 kids she can not support in the first place? There is nothing we can do about her situation at this point but continue to support her sorry ass. It damn sure should be used as an example of what needs to change in the future.

Would you prefer a system that stops her from having 6 kids? How is that freedom?

Nope...She can have as many children as she wishes...as long as she can support them. The second anyone goes on public assistance(female or male) they should have to be on implanted contraception as a condition for help. I am talking about a choice..not force. Yo don't want to comply..then tough schit...NO benefits..plain and simple. This would put a screeching halt to this baby making for profit nonsense.

Evidently you support people having children in order to increase government social benefits.

(09-15-2013 09:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-14-2013 12:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 09:23 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Damn, that b*tch stood in line for 6 hours and won't get a motherf*cking job to feed her SIX kids? I didn't see one single family in there that can't get out and get a job to make extra money.

Some people have jobs that are far easier that standing in line for 6 hours. Has it even occured to you that it's actually hard to get a job when you have no skills and 6 children?

The question should be...Why did the system allow her to have 6 kids she can not support in the first place? There is nothing we can do about her situation at this point but continue to support her sorry ass. It damn sure should be used as an example of what needs to change in the future.

Would you prefer a system that stops her from having 6 kids? How is that freedom?

Nope...She can have as many children as she wishes...as long as she can support them. The second anyone goes on public assistance(female or male) they should have to be on implanted contraception as a condition for help. I am talking about a choice..not force. Yo don't want to comply..then tough schit...NO benefits..plain and simple. This would put a screeching halt to this baby making for profit nonsense.

Evidently you support people having children in order to increase government social benefits.

What if a person has several children before things go sour and they need to go on assistance? Should we just kill her children?

Oh! Send them to war! You like doing that!

(09-15-2013 09:44 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  

(09-15-2013 09:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-14-2013 12:28 AM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-13-2013 09:02 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(09-12-2013 11:56 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Some people have jobs that are far easier that standing in line for 6 hours. Has it even occured to you that it's actually hard to get a job when you have no skills and 6 children?

The question should be...Why did the system allow her to have 6 kids she can not support in the first place? There is nothing we can do about her situation at this point but continue to support her sorry ass. It damn sure should be used as an example of what needs to change in the future.

Would you prefer a system that stops her from having 6 kids? How is that freedom?

Nope...She can have as many children as she wishes...as long as she can support them. The second anyone goes on public assistance(female or male) they should have to be on implanted contraception as a condition for help. I am talking about a choice..not force. Yo don't want to comply..then tough schit...NO benefits..plain and simple. This would put a screeching halt to this baby making for profit nonsense.

Evidently you support people having children in order to increase government social benefits.

What if a person has several children before things go sour and they need to go on assistance? Should we just kill her children?

Oh! Send them to war! You like doing that!

There would be no difference.
To get benefits...you can't have anymore children..period. The one's you already have are irrelevant to the situation.

Your last comment is just silly. My opposition to the industrial military complex and government foreign interventionism is extensive on this forum.

Nothing wrong with people having large families.
If they are having kids to obtain additional money for that purpose it is different.

(09-16-2013 05:44 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Nothing wrong with people having large families.
If they are having kids to obtain additional money for that purpose it is different.

I agree. People should not have the expectation that govt will support their children in the first place. That is the paradigm that needs to change.