RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 07:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 01:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 01:51 PM)john01992 Wrote: conservatives need to take their own advice......
conservatives say gays should just deal with the current status quo........
well I say conservatives should just deal with the changing status quo and focus on their own marriage
Look at how outraged you are are of the sudden John. Only when Barrack Obama took office did gay rights become such a life or death issue for you. Never mind they have more marital rights then ever before.
gay rights have been an issue for me long before obama was elected
you do realize i have a family member whose openly gay right?
#prick
So do I... and just because I love him doesn't mean I'll endorse or recognize his relationships.
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thats not the point. the point i was making to dixie was dont tell me ive only cared about the issue until recently.
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 08:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 01:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 01:51 PM)john01992 Wrote: conservatives need to take their own advice......
conservatives say gays should just deal with the current status quo........
well I say conservatives should just deal with the changing status quo and focus on their own marriage
Look at how outraged you are are of the sudden John. Only when Barrack Obama took office did gay rights become such a life or death issue for you. Never mind they have more marital rights then ever before.
gay rights have been an issue for me long before obama was elected
you do realize i have a family member whose openly gay right?
#prick
So do I... and just because I love him doesn't mean I'll endorse or recognize his relationships.
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thats not the point. the point i was making to dixie was dont tell me ive only cared about the issue until recently.
Obama has made this issue red hot and it is why so many people are now obsessed. He's not trying make the world friendlier to gays. The gay issue is just part of his cultural Marxism.
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 10:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 08:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 01:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Look at how outraged you are are of the sudden John. Only when Barrack Obama took office did gay rights become such a life or death issue for you. Never mind they have more marital rights then ever before.
gay rights have been an issue for me long before obama was elected
you do realize i have a family member whose openly gay right?
#prick
So do I... and just because I love him doesn't mean I'll endorse or recognize his relationships.
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thats not the point. the point i was making to dixie was dont tell me ive only cared about the issue until recently.
Obama has made this issue red hot and it is why so many people are now obsessed. He's not trying make the world friendlier to gays. The gay issue is just part of his cultural Marxism.
you know what made this issue hot....people coming to their senses that being gay doesnt make you less of a person......
its a chain reaction, once it starts growing into a national issue more & more people jump on board and its like a snowball rolling down a hill. it just gets bigger and bigger.
during bush's first 4 years public opinion stayed the same
during bush's second 4 years public opinion rose 6%
during the next 6 years (obama's tenure) it rose 10% so you tell me........
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 10:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 08:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:04 PM)john01992 Wrote: gay rights have been an issue for me long before obama was elected
you do realize i have a family member whose openly gay right?
#prick
So do I... and just because I love him doesn't mean I'll endorse or recognize his relationships.
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thats not the point. the point i was making to dixie was dont tell me ive only cared about the issue until recently.
Obama has made this issue red hot and it is why so many people are now obsessed. He's not trying make the world friendlier to gays. The gay issue is just part of his cultural Marxism.
you know what made this issue hot....people coming to their senses that being gay doesnt make you less of a person......
its a chain reaction, once it starts growing into a national issue more & more people jump on board and its like a snowball rolling down a hill. it just gets bigger and bigger.
during bush's first 4 years public opinion stayed the same
during bush's second 4 years public opinion rose 6%
during the next 6 years (obama's tenure) it rose 10% so you tell me........
where did this trend start?
Yes, because being gay didn't come into people's consciousness until Obama's second term. It started with Obama. However, it's not necessarily changing minds on some kind of rapid fire basis like you are portraying. Polls can be made to say anything when there is an agenda. I actually had more support for gay marriage until I started seeing how many in the gay community have forced their wants on the rest of us.
I wonder how the older black community, who remembers the Civil Rights struggle feel about these over-privileged baby boomers comparing their situation to the Civil Rights struggle.
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 11:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Yes, because being gay didn't come into people's consciousness until Obama's second term. It started with Obama. However, it's not necessarily changing minds on some kind of rapid fire basis like you are portraying. Polls can be made to say anything when there is an agenda. I actually had more support for gay marriage until I started seeing how many in the gay community have forced their wants on the rest of us.
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 11:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 10:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 08:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote: So do I... and just because I love him doesn't mean I'll endorse or recognize his relationships.
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thats not the point. the point i was making to dixie was dont tell me ive only cared about the issue until recently.
Obama has made this issue red hot and it is why so many people are now obsessed. He's not trying make the world friendlier to gays. The gay issue is just part of his cultural Marxism.
you know what made this issue hot....people coming to their senses that being gay doesnt make you less of a person......
its a chain reaction, once it starts growing into a national issue more & more people jump on board and its like a snowball rolling down a hill. it just gets bigger and bigger.
during bush's first 4 years public opinion stayed the same
during bush's second 4 years public opinion rose 6%
during the next 6 years (obama's tenure) it rose 10% so you tell me........
where did this trend start?
Yes, because being gay didn't come into people's consciousness until Obama's second term. It started with Obama. However, it's not necessarily changing minds on some kind of rapid fire basis like you are portraying. Polls can be made to say anything when there is an agenda. I actually had more support for gay marriage until I started seeing how many in the gay community have forced their wants on the rest of us.
I wonder how the older black community, who remembers the Civil Rights struggle feel about these over-privileged baby boomers comparing their situation to the Civil Rights struggle.
oh funny....the polls are wrong.....
where did i hear that before?
its not like a bunch of states have legalized it in the last few years.....oh wait
oh and fyi civil rights vets dont feel any different in the way todays struggle is compared to theirs, just like how holocaust survivors feel towards the civil right movement. you have this insane notion that people who were the victims of hate like it when it happens to other people. anyone whose been a victim of hate is a proponent of PROGRESS and you need to understand that
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 11:52 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 11:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 10:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 08:45 PM)john01992 Wrote: thats not the point. the point i was making to dixie was dont tell me ive only cared about the issue until recently.
Obama has made this issue red hot and it is why so many people are now obsessed. He's not trying make the world friendlier to gays. The gay issue is just part of his cultural Marxism.
you know what made this issue hot....people coming to their senses that being gay doesnt make you less of a person......
its a chain reaction, once it starts growing into a national issue more & more people jump on board and its like a snowball rolling down a hill. it just gets bigger and bigger.
during bush's first 4 years public opinion stayed the same
during bush's second 4 years public opinion rose 6%
during the next 6 years (obama's tenure) it rose 10% so you tell me........
where did this trend start?
Yes, because being gay didn't come into people's consciousness until Obama's second term. It started with Obama. However, it's not necessarily changing minds on some kind of rapid fire basis like you are portraying. Polls can be made to say anything when there is an agenda. I actually had more support for gay marriage until I started seeing how many in the gay community have forced their wants on the rest of us.
I wonder how the older black community, who remembers the Civil Rights struggle feel about these over-privileged baby boomers comparing their situation to the Civil Rights struggle.
oh funny....the polls are wrong.....
where did i hear that before?
its not like a bunch of states have legalized it in the last few years.....oh wait
oh and fyi civil rights vets dont feel any different in the way todays struggle is compared to theirs, just like how holocaust survivors feel towards the civil right movement. you have this insane notion that people who were the victims of hate like it when it happens to other people. anyone whose been a victim of hate is a proponent of PROGRESS and you need to understand that
Like I said. Polls can be made to say anything. And when they can't, the gay rights activists will take you to court - even when a state the size of CA voted to ban gay marriage. I don't feel sorry for people who assault old women and stomp on the cross. Comparing gay marriage to the Civil Rights struggle is absolutely insulting. Gays are forced to the back of bus or not allowed outside after dark.
Re: RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 08:26 PM)Smaug Wrote:
(08-15-2013 08:09 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:23 PM)Smaug Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:08 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:
(08-15-2013 06:55 PM)Smaug Wrote: Because it's what it is. Now, why are you so hellbent for them not to?
No it's not.
Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016
Then explain the difference.
See post 155 where you accused me of some nonsense.
Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016
How do you know gays want to marry for some reason different than you did?
Well, why would they want to marry in the house of a God that condemns their lifestyle? That's the only place marriages occur, IMO. I'm sure they love each other and all but I doubt they want to take a vow before God. Why would they?
Re: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
I don't know why this is even a thread. There is no such thing as gay marriage. Just because the government recognizes it for legal reasons doesn't make it so.
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 11:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Yes, because being gay didn't come into people's consciousness until Obama's second term. It started with Obama.
I disagree. The younger generations coming up are simply more socially liberal, and we're seeing the result of it with each passing decade. It's happening organically and very little would've been different had McCain or Romney won the WH.
(08-15-2013 11:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: I actually had more support for gay marriage until I started seeing how many in the gay community have forced their wants on the rest of us.
As ugly as that video clip is, I wouldn't let a few rabid activist thugs at a protest rally smear your opinion of the millions of gays as a whole or the core issue.
In fact, the pasty chunk-belly being 'cuffed in the video has a long rap sheet, so I chalk it up to him being a daily hothead who really needs to finally land in a jail cell... and stay there. I mean really, 29 times? How is this jackarse still wandering around society?
Quote:Jason Queree, the man suspected of punching the protester multiple times, has been arrested 29 times since 1995. He has been convicted or otherwise found against for nine felonies, including forgery, stolen property, unlawful firearm possession and theft, and 12 misdemeanors, including driving with a suspended license, vehicle prowl, domestic violence, assault, DUI and criminal trespass.
Re: RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-15-2013 11:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 10:34 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 10:22 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:
(08-15-2013 08:45 PM)john01992 Wrote:
(08-15-2013 07:45 PM)EverRespect Wrote: So do I... and just because I love him doesn't mean I'll endorse or recognize his relationships.
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thats not the point. the point i was making to dixie was dont tell me ive only cared about the issue until recently.
Obama has made this issue red hot and it is why so many people are now obsessed. He's not trying make the world friendlier to gays. The gay issue is just part of his cultural Marxism.
you know what made this issue hot....people coming to their senses that being gay doesnt make you less of a person......
its a chain reaction, once it starts growing into a national issue more & more people jump on board and its like a snowball rolling down a hill. it just gets bigger and bigger.
during bush's first 4 years public opinion stayed the same
during bush's second 4 years public opinion rose 6%
during the next 6 years (obama's tenure) it rose 10% so you tell me........
where did this trend start?
Yes, because being gay didn't come into people's consciousness until Obama's second term. It started with Obama. However, it's not necessarily changing minds on some kind of rapid fire basis like you are portraying. Polls can be made to say anything when there is an agenda. I actually had more support for gay marriage until I started seeing how many in the gay community have forced their wants on the rest of us.
I wonder how the older black community, who remembers the Civil Rights struggle feel about these over-privileged baby boomers comparing their situation to the Civil Rights struggle.
There are few things I despise more than militant protesters. Regardless of color, sexual orientation, gender or race. It only serves to diminish their cause.
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-16-2013 07:38 AM)Motown Bronco Wrote:
(08-15-2013 11:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: Yes, because being gay didn't come into people's consciousness until Obama's second term. It started with Obama.
I disagree. The younger generations coming up are simply more socially liberal, and we're seeing the result of it with each passing decade. It's happening organically and very little would've been different had McCain or Romney won the WH.
(08-15-2013 11:10 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote: I actually had more support for gay marriage until I started seeing how many in the gay community have forced their wants on the rest of us.
As ugly as that video clip is, I wouldn't let a few rabid activist thugs at a protest rally smear your opinion of the millions of gays as a whole or the core issue.
In fact, the pasty chunk-belly being 'cuffed in the video has a long rap sheet, so I chalk it up to him being a daily hothead who really needs to finally land in a jail cell... and stay there. I mean really, 29 times? How is this jackarse still wandering around society?
Quote:Jason Queree, the man suspected of punching the protester multiple times, has been arrested 29 times since 1995. He has been convicted or otherwise found against for nine felonies, including forgery, stolen property, unlawful firearm possession and theft, and 12 misdemeanors, including driving with a suspended license, vehicle prowl, domestic violence, assault, DUI and criminal trespass.
I think you nailed the essence of this whole issue, Motown... it is a culture war. I don't have any legal issues with what the gay lobby says they want. I actually support it on principle (my political and governmental views are actually pretty close to Smaug, though we don't necessarily prioritize them the same). I will continue to fight on the other side of the culture war, however, and will fight against what is being taught to the kids. I don't want a society that continues to get more and more morally liberal (in the modern American sense). I agree that it has been the reality, but I will still fight the headwinds.
(This post was last modified: 08-16-2013 07:52 AM by EverRespect.)
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
Fair enough, although being more socially liberal (and fiscally conservative), I tend to support that 'side.' I tend live my own individual life rather conservatively, but I also believe that if someone isn't potentially harming me or my family by their actions, then I don't care what they do. Dating someone of the same gender, smoking a doobie, visiting an 'escort'... even if I don't partake in any of that, it's your body, your money and ultimately your choice. I'd rather people "rage against" those who DO want to hurt or negatively impact others: bullies, criminals, power-tripping bureaucrats, and the like.
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-16-2013 07:46 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote: There are few things I despise more than militant protesters. Regardless of color, sexual orientation, gender or race. It only serves to diminish their cause.
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-16-2013 07:51 AM)EverRespect Wrote: I actually support it on principle (my political and governmental views are actually pretty close to Smaug, though we don't necessarily prioritize them the same).
You'd probably be surprised by low a priority gay marriage is in my life. The conversation has been in interesting intellectual exercise, and admittedly, I got caught up in it.
I believe what I believe, but I'm won't be taking the streets over it.
(This post was last modified: 08-16-2013 08:29 AM by Smaug.)
RE: How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
(08-16-2013 06:47 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote: I don't know why this is even a thread. There is no such thing as gay marriage. Just because the government recognizes it for legal reasons doesn't make it so.
You are right, there is no such thing as gay marriage. There's just marriage. Between gays.
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How do arguments still exist opposing gay marriage?
