(08-15-2013 01:18 PM)Smaug Wrote:  If you don't attend based on an ideological objection to the event itself, then don't expect to stay close.

Fair enough

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(08-15-2013 10:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:19 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:07 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 09:49 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Straw man.

Answer my question. I got mine. You get yours. What is your objection to them getting theirs?

Beuller? Beuller?

It's not hard. They just want to push their way into everything meant for straight people. Just like the BSA... Why not make your own club? This way there's no hard feelings from anyone and everybody gets what they want. Why can't you people see that?

They're pushing their way into your house? How are you harmed?

Be specific.

Lord have mercy, this is like explaining things to a damn fence post.

(08-15-2013 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:19 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:07 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 09:49 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Straw man.

Answer my question. I got mine. You get yours. What is your objection to them getting theirs?

Beuller? Beuller?

It's not hard. They just want to push their way into everything meant for straight people. Just like the BSA... Why not make your own club? This way there's no hard feelings from anyone and everybody gets what they want. Why can't you people see that?

They're pushing their way into your house? How are you harmed?

Be specific.

Lord have mercy, this is like explaining things to a damn fence post.

Use small words so I'll understand. How are you personally harmed by gay marriage?

(08-15-2013 01:21 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:18 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:16 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:15 PM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:14 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I wouldn't go and hope they respect my beliefs enough to still be friends. If not, no big deal.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

So you expect them to respect your beliefs while at the same time you aren't respecting theirs?

How am I not respecting theirs? By not attending a contract signing?

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

Is that all a wedding is to you?

No, that's all it is for gays. Gays don't believe in marriage, they want it for benefits.

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(08-15-2013 01:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:19 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:07 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Beuller? Beuller?

It's not hard. They just want to push their way into everything meant for straight people. Just like the BSA... Why not make your own club? This way there's no hard feelings from anyone and everybody gets what they want. Why can't you people see that?

They're pushing their way into your house? How are you harmed?

Be specific.

Lord have mercy, this is like explaining things to a damn fence post.

Use small words so I'll understand. How are you personally harmed by gay marriage?

Personal harm is a dumb litmus test

Positive Rep me and I'll vote for Obama in 2016

(08-15-2013 01:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:19 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:07 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Beuller? Beuller?

It's not hard. They just want to push their way into everything meant for straight people. Just like the BSA... Why not make your own club? This way there's no hard feelings from anyone and everybody gets what they want. Why can't you people see that?

They're pushing their way into your house? How are you harmed?

Be specific.

Lord have mercy, this is like explaining things to a damn fence post.

Use small words so I'll understand. How are you personally harmed by gay marriage?

Society as a whole is harmed when you tear down one of its most sacred unions. A sacred union that is designed to support the family unit.

(08-15-2013 01:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:19 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  It's not hard. They just want to push their way into everything meant for straight people. Just like the BSA... Why not make your own club? This way there's no hard feelings from anyone and everybody gets what they want. Why can't you people see that?

They're pushing their way into your house? How are you harmed?

Be specific.

Lord have mercy, this is like explaining things to a damn fence post.

Use small words so I'll understand. How are you personally harmed by gay marriage?

Society as a whole is harmed when you tear down one of its most sacred unions. A sacred union that is designed to support the family unit.

"Tear down"?

Take a look around. We straights have ruined it without the help.

Besides, them getting married doesn't make me or you any less married. My wife has assured me of this, so I know it's true.

(08-14-2013 02:37 PM)john01992 Wrote:  i am amazed by the idiots on this board

"this country was founded on christian values" should not be your biggest justification for ANY law

i had this crazy idea that we we had the separation of church & state in this country

It's not even true.

"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion"

- John Adams

Hell, just read the establishment clause.

conservatives need to take their own advice......

conservatives say gays should just deal with the current status quo........

well I say conservatives should just deal with the changing status quo and focus on their own marriage

(08-15-2013 01:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:20 AM)Smaug Wrote:  They're pushing their way into your house? How are you harmed?

Be specific.

Lord have mercy, this is like explaining things to a damn fence post.

Use small words so I'll understand. How are you personally harmed by gay marriage?

Society as a whole is harmed when you tear down one of its most sacred unions. A sacred union that is designed to support the family unit.

"Tear down"?

Take a look around. We straights have ruined it without the help.

Besides, them getting married doesn't make me or you any less married. My wife has assured me of this, so I know it's true.

That has absolutely no bearing on changing the definition of marriage. It's not "straights can't do it right so let's give gays a crack at it."

The goes right back to divide, destroy and conquer. The Marxists have you by the balls.

(08-15-2013 01:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:  conservatives need to take their own advice......

conservatives say gays should just deal with the current status quo........

well I say conservatives should just deal with the changing status quo and focus on their own marriage

Look at how outraged you are are of the sudden John. Only when Barrack Obama took office did gay rights become such a life or death issue for you. Never mind they have more marital rights then ever before.

There is nothing religious about marriage in America...you go to the local City Hall...file papers with the state...get married by a JOP...nothing religious about it, or the benefits that comes with it.

There is no legal, secular argument as to why we should deny marriage benefits to gay people.

(08-15-2013 01:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:28 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Lord have mercy, this is like explaining things to a damn fence post.

Use small words so I'll understand. How are you personally harmed by gay marriage?

Society as a whole is harmed when you tear down one of its most sacred unions. A sacred union that is designed to support the family unit.

"Tear down"?

Take a look around. We straights have ruined it without the help.

Besides, them getting married doesn't make me or you any less married. My wife has assured me of this, so I know it's true.

That has absolutely no bearing on changing the definition of marriage. It's not "straights can't do it right so let's give gays a crack at it."

The goes right back to divide, destroy and conquer. The Marxists have you by the balls.

I'm not the one dividing us.

My point was, the whole "they'll destroy marriage" argument doesn't hold water. I guess you ignored my second point, so I'll repeat it: Gays marrying doesn't make straights less married.

One more time: How are you personally harmed?

(08-15-2013 01:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:51 PM)john01992 Wrote:  conservatives need to take their own advice......

conservatives say gays should just deal with the current status quo........

well I say conservatives should just deal with the changing status quo and focus on their own marriage

Look at how outraged you are are of the sudden John. Only when Barrack Obama took office did gay rights become such a life or death issue for you. Never mind they have more marital rights then ever before.

In just 10 years (2003-2013) we have seen:

All sodomy laws ruled unconstitutional.... (Lawrence v Texas)

13 States plus DC have legalized gay marriage....

DOMA ruled unconstitutional....

Prop 8 ruled unconstitutional....

"Don't Ask, Don't Tell" repealed....

The sitting US President supports gay marriage...

Just imagine the next 10 years.

(08-15-2013 01:57 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:54 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:44 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 01:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Use small words so I'll understand. How are you personally harmed by gay marriage?

Society as a whole is harmed when you tear down one of its most sacred unions. A sacred union that is designed to support the family unit.

"Tear down"?

Take a look around. We straights have ruined it without the help.

Besides, them getting married doesn't make me or you any less married. My wife has assured me of this, so I know it's true.

That has absolutely no bearing on changing the definition of marriage. It's not "straights can't do it right so let's give gays a crack at it."

The goes right back to divide, destroy and conquer. The Marxists have you by the balls.

I'm not the one dividing us.

My point was, the whole "they'll destroy marriage" argument doesn't hold water. I guess you ignored my second point, so I'll repeat it: Gays marrying doesn't make straights less married.

Sure you are. You are trying to force people to accept something they don't want to accept. If it were up to you, you would change the laws in every state and everyone who disagrees can pound sand.

You opposition is labeled homophobic, right wing or any other term describing people who disagree with gay marriage. It's pretty easy to tell this is another Marxist push when the simple solution is instead of changing laws regarding marriage, change the laws that restrict gay couples from the same monetary rights.

But that's not the purpose of the sudden "outrage" over gays not being able to marry. It's a narrative this administration has injected into society through back door groups(no pun intended) and is designed to create division. Division weakens a society. Weakened societies are easy to control and tax. It's part of the destruction underway and you are one of millions who are helping out.

(08-15-2013 02:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Sure you are.

Nope. Only one of us is for denying legal protections and privileges to a segment of our population.

That is Un-American.

(08-15-2013 10:33 AM)psualltheway5 Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:29 AM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 10:16 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  what's the problem with changing the law so that they can have theirs under a civil union?

Straight = Traditional marriage
Gay = Civil union

So, the same thing, with different names?

It's the use of the term "marriage" that sticks in your craw, is it?

If that's their issue, the right is far more dysfunctional than we thought.

Yeah, we're dysfunctional because you want the change.

(08-15-2013 02:08 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 02:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Sure you are.

Nope. Only one of us is for denying legal protections and privileges to a segment of our population.

That is Un-American.

Then change the laws that deny legal protection. Hands off the definition of marriage.

What's next, men that identify themselves with women allowed to use the girls locker room? Oh wait, we already did that one.

(08-15-2013 02:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Then change the laws that deny legal protection. Hands off the definition of marriage.

Oh, it's going to end up in front of the nine wise souls, and when it does, it's going to lose, because you cannot Constitutionally justify a ban.


It's un-American.

You still haven't told me how you are personally harmed.

(08-15-2013 02:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-15-2013 02:17 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Then change the laws that deny legal protection. Hands off the definition of marriage.

Oh, it's going to end up in front of the nine wise souls, and when it does, it's going to lose, because you cannot Constitutionally justify a ban.


It's un-American.

What are you talking about? Why can't you change the laws that deny legal protection to gay couples? Wouldn't that be less extensive than going to the Supreme Court to change marriage laws? Like civil unions? You're just making excuses. I see right through this veiled agenda and it has nothing to do with gay rights.