(08-14-2013 03:48 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  That's not an option because it's well known that we don't want them being able to get married traditionally.

Again, why do you care? You think they're going to destroy marriage? Take a good look around. We straights have ****** it up nicely without the help.

Quote:This is the all or nothing move that they can hopefully be able to come out and say "na na boo boo" in all opposers faces if the law gets passed. If not, they can just call us all bigots and racists... So predictable...

So, you just don't want someone going neener neener at you. That sounds reasonable.

(08-14-2013 03:50 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:45 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  There's rights that "trannies" get and I don't. Like showering with women. Am I bitching about it? Nah man... I just have to go to CA and say I'm a tranny chick if I wanna shower with the Song Girls bad enough.

Showering with the opposite sex belongs to trannies, getting married belongs to heteros...

Just because California's lost it's mind doesn't change my point.

Yes, it sure as hell does. If THEY can do it, why can't WE? Are you catching my drift yet?

I caught that great big ole straw man you lobbed out there.

(08-14-2013 03:47 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Then instead of changing the definition of marriage, change the laws in Ohio - allowing people to will their property to who they wish.

Sigh... this is a circular argument. The same people who are anti-gay marriage are also against changing the laws. They obviously hold the votes considering 60% of the voters voted in favor of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. The only way it is changing is if it is declared unconstitutional (and it is certainly un-American to tell someone whom they can give their possessions to when they die).

Circular? So why don't the pro gay marriage supporters fight to change the law? Why is their only focus on marriage? Because the "racists and bigots" don't approve of it, that's why. It's a childish freaking move on pro gay people...

(08-14-2013 03:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:48 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  That's not an option because it's well known that we don't want them being able to get married traditionally.

Again, why do you care? You think they're going to destroy marriage? Take a good look around. We straights have ****** it up nicely without the help.

Quote:This is the all or nothing move that they can hopefully be able to come out and say "na na boo boo" in all opposers faces if the law gets passed. If not, they can just call us all bigots and racists... So predictable...

So, you just don't want someone going neener neener at you. That sounds reasonable.

WOOOW, you totally missed the point Smaug...

If it's such a big deal about getting certain "right, protections, and priviledges," then fight to have the laws changed for that. Leave marriage out of it unless I'm gonna be able to legally shower with the college hotties.

(08-14-2013 03:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:50 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:45 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  There's rights that "trannies" get and I don't. Like showering with women. Am I bitching about it? Nah man... I just have to go to CA and say I'm a tranny chick if I wanna shower with the Song Girls bad enough.

Showering with the opposite sex belongs to trannies, getting married belongs to heteros...

Just because California's lost it's mind doesn't change my point.

Yes, it sure as hell does. If THEY can do it, why can't WE? Are you catching my drift yet?

I caught that great big ole straw man you lobbed out there.

Straw man he says...

This whole argument is over US being able to marry, but not THEM.

Remember the pendulum is always swinging. We have gone from Superman Reagan who believed in truth, justice and the
American way to what socialistic hodge podge junk we have today. It only swings so far. Then it swings back.

if you want to have such a big say in other peoples marriage......

then im assuming that you wont mind if i can have a say on what goes on in your marriage.....

only fair....

(08-14-2013 03:59 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:48 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  That's not an option because it's well known that we don't want them being able to get married traditionally.

Again, why do you care? You think they're going to destroy marriage? Take a good look around. We straights have ****** it up nicely without the help.

Quote:This is the all or nothing move that they can hopefully be able to come out and say "na na boo boo" in all opposers faces if the law gets passed. If not, they can just call us all bigots and racists... So predictable...

So, you just don't want someone going neener neener at you. That sounds reasonable.

WOOOW, you totally missed the point Smaug...

If it's such a big deal about getting certain "right, protections, and priviledges," then fight to have the laws changed for that. Leave marriage out of it unless I'm gonna be able to legally shower with the college hotties.

You can shower with college hotties all you want. Make that one college hotty. After you've put a ring on it, and only if you're trying to make babies.

(08-14-2013 04:00 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  This whole argument is over US being able to marry, but not THEM.

Right. You got yours. I got mine. Prohibiting them from getting theirs is un-American.

(08-14-2013 04:04 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:00 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  This whole argument is over US being able to marry, but not THEM.

Right. You got yours. I got mine. Prohibiting them from getting theirs is un-American.

What about a straight man showering with women at school?

I used to be against gay marriage until I was asked, "Why?" I couldn't give a good answer. "Marriage is between a man and a woman" wasn't really enough. It's basically saying, "Well I don't agree with it because I don't like it and nobody else should".

(08-14-2013 04:09 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:04 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:00 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  This whole argument is over US being able to marry, but not THEM.

Right. You got yours. I got mine. Prohibiting them from getting theirs is un-American.

What about a straight man showering with women at school?

well if you are worried about gays in the locker room.....all i can say is to just deal with it

(08-14-2013 04:10 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I used to be against gay marriage until I was asked, "Why?" I couldn't give a good answer. "Marriage is between a man and a woman" wasn't really enough. It's basically saying, "Well I don't agree with it because I don't like it and nobody else should".

exactly, its a losing argument these days, more and more people are starting to see the same logic you used

(08-14-2013 04:09 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:04 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:00 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  This whole argument is over US being able to marry, but not THEM.

Right. You got yours. I got mine. Prohibiting them from getting theirs is un-American.

What about a straight man showering with women at school?

Find a woman willing to shower with you and knock yourself out. After you've married her, and only if you're trying to make babies.

(08-14-2013 04:10 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I used to be against gay marriage until I was asked, "Why?" I couldn't give a good answer. "Marriage is between a man and a woman" wasn't really enough. It's basically saying, "Well I don't agree with it because I don't like it and nobody else should".

For me, it's an issue of fundamental fairness.

When I decided on someone to marry, once she agreed, nobody, but no-*******-body, was going to stop us. And since I demand that of the world, I'd better be prepared to afford the world the same courtesy.

Like I've typed more than once, I got mine. Where do I get off telling someone else they can't have theirs?

All men are created equal. Every damn one of them.

(08-14-2013 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

So, what about all the times I've had sex with my wife when procreating was the last thing on my mind, and no baby resulted?

Was that a sin?

You are mixing your arguments. Are we talking law or morals here just to be clear again? Having this debate, I assumed we were talking morals and then you said you are talking law. It is legal to screw and enter into contracts with who you want as adults, as it should be. I don't think we disagree on the legal side.

My moral argument has to do with openness to procreation. If you and your wife would not terminate her pregnancy, you are open to procreation, whether procreation is on your mind or you are taking birth control or what.

(08-14-2013 04:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if you want to have such a big say in other peoples marriage......

then im assuming that you wont mind if i can have a say on what goes on in your marriage.....

only fair....

(08-14-2013 04:21 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if you want to have such a big say in other peoples marriage......

then im assuming that you wont mind if i can have a say on what goes on in your marriage.....

only fair....

how.....because it does fit your argument? because homosexuals are not real people? because you think homosexuals deserve to be discriminated against?

(08-14-2013 04:19 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

So, what about all the times I've had sex with my wife when procreating was the last thing on my mind, and no baby resulted?

Was that a sin?

You are mixing your arguments. Are we talking law or morals here just to be clear again? Having this debate, I assumed we were talking morals and then you said you are talking law. It is legal to screw and enter into contracts with who you want as adults, as it should be. I don't think we disagree on the legal side.

My moral argument has to do with openness to procreation. If you and your wife would not terminate her pregnancy, you are open to procreation, whether procreation is on your mind or you are taking birth control or what.

What about measures designed to prevent conception? Is contraception a sin?

(08-14-2013 04:21 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 04:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  if you want to have such a big say in other peoples marriage......

then im assuming that you wont mind if i can have a say on what goes on in your marriage.....

only fair....

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