(08-14-2013 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:55 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Yall aren't a gay couple, what is your point?

But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

So, what about all the times I've had sex with my wife when procreating was the last thing on my mind, and no baby resulted?

Was that a sin?

He's talking about abortion and gay consentual sex... I have sex with my GF all the time, but if she's gets pregnant, we'd never abort. And she's in her Sophomore year of college, I'm going back for a degree in Engineering. Needless to say, we've got to be careful, but abortion isn't even a slight consideration.

(08-14-2013 02:58 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:57 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  But if his wife gets pregnant, they plan to abort it. That would be worse than being a gay couple.

I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

So, what about all the times I've had sex with my wife when procreating was the last thing on my mind, and no baby resulted?

Was that a sin?

He's talking about abortion and gay consentual sex... I have sex with my GF all the time, but if she's gets pregnant, we'd never abort. And she's in her Sophomore year of college, I'm going back for a degree in Engineering. Needless to say, we've got to be careful, but abortion isn't even a slight consideration.

But you're having sex out of wedlock AND you're trying not to procreate. Looks like I'm not gonna burn by myself.

(08-14-2013 02:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:42 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:39 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:31 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:54 PM)Smaug Wrote:  LSU seems to be okay with some adults getting particular legal privileges and protections that other adults can't.

That's immoral and un-American.

What kind of protection and priveledges do some Americans get that others don't? Stop being petty.

the rights gained in marriage

-the right to adopt or having your stepchildren get your inheritance

-the right to not get evicted or fired for being gay

Since when can you not will what you want to whom you want?

Who the hell gets fired for being gay and doesn't suffer legal consequences for it?

We had a gay guy working here and he actually got more chances than anyone before getting fired. He was caught 3 consecutive times for looking at gay pron while on the clock, plus several other write ups. THEN he had the nerve to threaten to sue us for firing him, saying we did it because he was gay...

in MS you can be fired/evicted just for being gay and its an actual law.....

but yeah keep using your one example as what you think happens everywhere if you want to continue to be a bigoted prick

As opposed to your one example? And why would a bigot call me a bigot? We're all bigots, hoss...

(08-14-2013 01:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Life insurance is private. Inheritance can be willed to whomever you want with a document from Legal Zoom that is cheaper than a marriage license.

Some states have laws related to not getting life insurance if you are not related or the employer of a person.

In Ohio if you are not married and you will something to a non-family member (blood related) then your family can challenge and take that willed property. Hence, 2 gay people who buy a house together, or a car, or whatever, could conceivably lose everything depending on the situation.

(08-14-2013 03:00 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:58 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:08 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 02:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  I never said that. Interesting, though, that you place degrees on sin level.

My Baptist pastor once told me, God doesn't weight sins, but man does. I asked him what he meant by that. He said, to God, sin is sin is sin, but would you rather live next door to a liar or a murderer?

Not that any of this is material to whether or not gays should enjoy the legal sanction of marriage, which I don't believe has been addressed much.

Destruction of innocent human life is the highest level of sin IMO. Having consensual gay sex in itself is no more a sin than snorting a line of cocaine. It is forgivable for those who seek forgiveness. The movement of having "pride", propagandizing, and being unrepentant over it is what is particularly worrisome.

So, what about all the times I've had sex with my wife when procreating was the last thing on my mind, and no baby resulted?

Was that a sin?

He's talking about abortion and gay consentual sex... I have sex with my GF all the time, but if she's gets pregnant, we'd never abort. And she's in her Sophomore year of college, I'm going back for a degree in Engineering. Needless to say, we've got to be careful, but abortion isn't even a slight consideration.

But you're having sex out of wedlock AND you're trying not to procreate. Looks like I'm not gonna burn by myself.

I'm a Southern Baptist...

(08-14-2013 03:02 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 01:56 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Life insurance is private. Inheritance can be willed to whomever you want with a document from Legal Zoom that is cheaper than a marriage license.

Some states have laws related to not getting life insurance if you are not related or the employer of a person.

In Ohio if you are not married and you will something to a non-family member (blood related) then your family can challenge and take that willed property. Hence, 2 gay people who buy a house together, or a car, or whatever, could conceivably lose everything depending on the situation.

Great, so change that law, leave marriage out of the equation and everyone is fine.

(08-14-2013 03:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Great, so change that law, leave marriage out of the equation and everyone is fine.

The "conservatives" are the ones who set those laws. They also pushed the constitutional amendment blocking gay marriage in Ohio as well.

(08-14-2013 03:06 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:03 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Great, so change that law, leave marriage out of the equation and everyone is fine.

The "conservatives" are the ones who set those laws. They also pushed the constitutional amendment blocking gay marriage in Ohio as well.

Why does that matter? If this is such a big problem in Ohio, wouldn't it be easier just to change that law? What does marriage have to do with property after someone dies?

If civil unions = marriage, then why two terms?

Because it's not the same. Straight people know it. Gay people know it.

(08-14-2013 03:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why does that matter? If this is such a big problem in Ohio, wouldn't it be easier just to change that law? What does marriage have to do with property after someone dies?

My point is that they hold the votes... the law is getting changed no time soon unless it is declared unconstitutional. They are using this to basically tell gay couples to leave the state.

(08-14-2013 03:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  If civil unions = marriage, then why two terms?

Because it's not the same. Straight people know it. Gay people know it.

And it's not broke, so there shouldn't be attempts to fix it.

(08-14-2013 03:15 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Why does that matter? If this is such a big problem in Ohio, wouldn't it be easier just to change that law? What does marriage have to do with property after someone dies?

My point is that they hold the votes... the law is getting changed no time soon unless it is declared unconstitutional. They are using this to basically tell gay couples to leave the state.

Only if they wanna get married... I mean, what did the poor little abused fellas do 15 years ago?

(08-14-2013 03:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  If civil unions = marriage, then why two terms?

Because it's not the same. Straight people know it. Gay people know it.

And it's not broke, so there shouldn't be attempts to fix it.

It ain't broke for you. Congratulations. What did Orwell say? All the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others?

(08-14-2013 03:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Only if they wanna get married... I mean, what did the poor little abused fellas do 15 years ago?

Once again... not true. They cannot will property to each other and GUARANTEE it will go to whom they willed it. It is due to the laws in Ohio.

(08-14-2013 03:39 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Only if they wanna get married... I mean, what did the poor little abused fellas do 15 years ago?

Once again... not true. They cannot will property to each other and GUARANTEE it will go to whom they willed it. It is due to the laws in Ohio.

Then instead of changing the definition of marriage, change the laws in Ohio - allowing people to will their property to who they wish.

(08-14-2013 03:20 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:16 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:13 PM)Smaug Wrote:  If civil unions = marriage, then why two terms?

Because it's not the same. Straight people know it. Gay people know it.

And it's not broke, so there shouldn't be attempts to fix it.

It ain't broke for you. Congratulations. What did Orwell say? All the animals are equal, but some are more equal than others?

There's rights that "trannies" get and I don't. Like showering with women. Am I bitching about it? Nah man... I just have to go to CA and say I'm a tranny chick if I wanna shower with the Song Girls bad enough.

Showering with the opposite sex belongs to trannies, getting married belongs to heteros...

(08-14-2013 03:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Then instead of changing the definition of marriage, change the laws in Ohio - allowing people to will their property to who they wish.

Sigh... this is a circular argument. The same people who are anti-gay marriage are also against changing the laws. They obviously hold the votes considering 60% of the voters voted in favor of a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. The only way it is changing is if it is declared unconstitutional (and it is certainly un-American to tell someone whom they can give their possessions to when they die).

(08-14-2013 03:45 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  There's rights that "trannies" get and I don't. Like showering with women. Am I bitching about it? Nah man... I just have to go to CA and say I'm a tranny chick if I wanna shower with the Song Girls bad enough.

Showering with the opposite sex belongs to trannies, getting married belongs to heteros...

Just because California's lost it's mind doesn't change my point.

(08-14-2013 03:43 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:39 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:19 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Only if they wanna get married... I mean, what did the poor little abused fellas do 15 years ago?

Once again... not true. They cannot will property to each other and GUARANTEE it will go to whom they willed it. It is due to the laws in Ohio.

Then instead of changing the definition of marriage, change the laws in Ohio - allowing people to will their property to who they wish.

That's not an option because it's well known that we don't want them being able to get married traditionally. This is the all or nothing move that they can hopefully be able to come out and say "na na boo boo" in all opposers faces if the law gets passed. If not, they can just call us all bigots and racists... So predictable...

So, when am I gonna have the right, as a straight man, to shower with girls at college?

(08-14-2013 03:47 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-14-2013 03:45 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  There's rights that "trannies" get and I don't. Like showering with women. Am I bitching about it? Nah man... I just have to go to CA and say I'm a tranny chick if I wanna shower with the Song Girls bad enough.

Showering with the opposite sex belongs to trannies, getting married belongs to heteros...

Just because California's lost it's mind doesn't change my point.

Yes, it sure as hell does. If THEY can do it, why can't WE? Are you catching my drift yet?