(08-13-2013 05:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:48 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  Even if Spanish replaces English altogether, is it ultimately a big deal? In the end, language is simply a form of communication. Spanish accomplishes the exact same thing as English, just differently. It's not like English is our national language.

and this is why we have become so weak. Kool aid drinkers are everywhere.

Este es correcto. ¿Por qué no está de acuerdo?

(08-13-2013 05:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:47 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:46 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So that justifies an outside problem? If we are doing it, so can they.


This thread sure the hell isn't about gay rights


If you don't have a problem with it, why criticize it? Could it be because you put a different set of standards on what I am defending?

I criticize you because YOU are the person that I'm talking to.

So if an American Indian came on this forum and talked about things threatening his or her heritage would you criticize that person?

No because he has a very legitimate concern. His whole population could be in the thousands and slowly dying off everyday.

But it's OK for white and black Americans to have their cultures replaced on a daily basis with outside influences from all over the planet. How do you justify this? You pretend whites and blacks don't have a culture.

First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

(08-13-2013 06:00 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:48 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  Even if Spanish replaces English altogether, is it ultimately a big deal? In the end, language is simply a form of communication. Spanish accomplishes the exact same thing as English, just differently. It's not like English is our national language.

and this is why we have become so weak. Kool aid drinkers are everywhere.

Este es correcto. ¿Por qué no está de acuerdo?

BTW I understand Spanish. I lived in NM for 7 years. The natives around Santa Fe are more opposed to illegal immigrants than any group I have ever seen. They are trying to protect their heritage and they do not identify with Mexico.

(08-13-2013 06:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:47 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:46 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I criticize you because YOU are the person that I'm talking to.

So if an American Indian came on this forum and talked about things threatening his or her heritage would you criticize that person?

No because he has a very legitimate concern. His whole population could be in the thousands and slowly dying off everyday.

But it's OK for white and black Americans to have their cultures replaced on a daily basis with outside influences from all over the planet. How do you justify this? You pretend whites and blacks don't have a culture.

First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:47 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So if an American Indian came on this forum and talked about things threatening his or her heritage would you criticize that person?

No because he has a very legitimate concern. His whole population could be in the thousands and slowly dying off everyday.

But it's OK for white and black Americans to have their cultures replaced on a daily basis with outside influences from all over the planet. How do you justify this? You pretend whites and blacks don't have a culture.

First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

I haven't advocated bypassing assimilation, it's just that people have a false view of how assimilation occurs. It happens across generations, not the day they move here.

I also think that you confuse the word 'false' with 'I disagree'.

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:56 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:48 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  Even if Spanish replaces English altogether, is it ultimately a big deal? In the end, language is simply a form of communication. Spanish accomplishes the exact same thing as English, just differently. It's not like English is our national language.

and this is why we have become so weak. Kool aid drinkers are everywhere.

It's unfortunate that you think this country is weak. I don't deny that we have problems, but we're still a nation of people that do amazing things. It's just that I can't think of many specific characteristics that define the US. As long as we're working hard, innovating, and being self-reliant, I'm proud of this country. Do we have our own stragglers? Absolutely. Do I think most of our citizens are great people? Hell yeah.

We are extremely weak because people like you don't want to protect its identity. You are living in a delusional state. It's a pie in the sky ideology that people will just accept and adopt what we have worked so hard to build.

You don't seem to have any concern with the political or cultural makeup of the countries from which these people come from. You don't seem to understand that it's much more than a language or a race.

You wouldn't dare condone forcing American culture on any other nation, but celebrate the opposite. That is guilty liberalism in its worst form.

(08-13-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  No because he has a very legitimate concern. His whole population could be in the thousands and slowly dying off everyday.

But it's OK for white and black Americans to have their cultures replaced on a daily basis with outside influences from all over the planet. How do you justify this? You pretend whites and blacks don't have a culture.

First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

I haven't advocated bypassing assimilation, it's just that people have a false view of how assimilation occurs. It happens across generations, not the day they move here.

It is supposed to happen before we grant anyone citizenship. Why is this a hard concept?

(08-13-2013 06:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  But it's OK for white and black Americans to have their cultures replaced on a daily basis with outside influences from all over the planet. How do you justify this? You pretend whites and blacks don't have a culture.

First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

I haven't advocated bypassing assimilation, it's just that people have a false view of how assimilation occurs. It happens across generations, not the day they move here.

It is supposed to happen before we grant anyone citizenship. Why is this a hard concept?

No they're supposed to be willing to be Americans and able to know enough about America then. We don't tell them to forget their language, drop their religion, stop eating their food, or change their way of dress. Those will end up being influences on our cultures.

I may be getting your definition of assimilation wrong though.

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:47 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So if an American Indian came on this forum and talked about things threatening his or her heritage would you criticize that person?

No because he has a very legitimate concern. His whole population could be in the thousands and slowly dying off everyday.

But it's OK for white and black Americans to have their cultures replaced on a daily basis with outside influences from all over the planet. How do you justify this? You pretend whites and blacks don't have a culture.

First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

If you could, name some of these countries with a history.

Where did we get our established culture?

(08-13-2013 06:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

I haven't advocated bypassing assimilation, it's just that people have a false view of how assimilation occurs. It happens across generations, not the day they move here.

It is supposed to happen before we grant anyone citizenship. Why is this a hard concept?

No they're supposed to be willing to be Americans and able to know enough about America then. We don't tell them to forget their language, drop their religion, stop eating their food, or change their way of dress. Those will end up being influences on our cultures.

I may be getting your definition of assimilation wrong though.

OK. I'm going to really try to simply this for you. I take it you have never lived near our southern border.

When someone applies for US citizenship they must meet a certain criteria. They must pass certain background checks, learn English and take courses on American history...etc. They must go through an assimilation process. This imparative and put in place for a reason.

There are approximately 2,700 illegals coming across our southern border each day. About 300 of those are apprehended. Most of those are released within our borders.

Here are the stats for one southwestern state.


-There were an estimated 278,460 illegal aliens working in Arizona in 2011, approximately 9.3 percent of the total workforce.

-Unemployment in Arizona in January 2012 was 8.7 percent with 262,587 Arizonans officially unemployed.

-Over 10% of children enrolled in public schools (K-12) have parents who are in the U.S. illegally.

-Illegal aliens and their children were found to be 37 percent of the uninsured population in Arizona in 2008, and the cost of uncompensated care for illegal aliens in Arizona is $320 million annually.


-The total education, medical, and incarceration costs in Arizona due to illegal immigration are $2.6 billion a year.

Think about how those numbers have risen in 2013


There are places in Phoenix, and any town in the SW where entire sections are completely Spanish Speaking. In other words, you wouldn't be able to conduct your daily life there. All due illegal immigration

So what is this about assimilation? Will English speaking people start moving into these areas and reverse it?

(08-13-2013 06:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

I haven't advocated bypassing assimilation, it's just that people have a false view of how assimilation occurs. It happens across generations, not the day they move here.

It is supposed to happen before we grant anyone citizenship. Why is this a hard concept?

No they're supposed to be willing to be Americans and able to know enough about America then. We don't tell them to forget their language, drop their religion, stop eating their food, or change their way of dress. Those will end up being influences on our cultures.

I may be getting your definition of assimilation wrong though.

OK. I'm going to really try to simply this for you. I take it you have never lived near our southern border.

When someone applies for US citizenship they must meet a certain criteria. They must pass certain background checks, learn English and take courses on American history...etc. They must go through an assimilation process. This imparative and put in place for a reason.

So what's your definition of assimilation?

(08-13-2013 06:28 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  No because he has a very legitimate concern. His whole population could be in the thousands and slowly dying off everyday.

But it's OK for white and black Americans to have their cultures replaced on a daily basis with outside influences from all over the planet. How do you justify this? You pretend whites and blacks don't have a culture.

First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

If you could, name some of these countries with a history.

Where did we get our established culture?

Where did all countries get their history and established culture from? How are we any different?

(08-13-2013 06:36 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:12 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I haven't advocated bypassing assimilation, it's just that people have a false view of how assimilation occurs. It happens across generations, not the day they move here.

It is supposed to happen before we grant anyone citizenship. Why is this a hard concept?

No they're supposed to be willing to be Americans and able to know enough about America then. We don't tell them to forget their language, drop their religion, stop eating their food, or change their way of dress. Those will end up being influences on our cultures.

I may be getting your definition of assimilation wrong though.

OK. I'm going to really try to simply this for you. I take it you have never lived near our southern border.

When someone applies for US citizenship they must meet a certain criteria. They must pass certain background checks, learn English and take courses on American history...etc. They must go through an assimilation process. This imparative and put in place for a reason.

There are approximately 2,700 illegals coming across our southern border each day. About 300 of those are apprehended. Most of those are released within our borders.

Here are the stats for one southwestern state.


-There were an estimated 278,460 illegal aliens working in Arizona in 2011, approximately 9.3 percent of the total workforce.

-Unemployment in Arizona in January 2012 was 8.7 percent with 262,587 Arizonans officially unemployed.

-Over 10% of children enrolled in public schools (K-12) have parents who are in the U.S. illegally.

-Illegal aliens and their children were found to be 37 percent of the uninsured population in Arizona in 2008, and the cost of uncompensated care for illegal aliens in Arizona is $320 million annually.


-The total education, medical, and incarceration costs in Arizona due to illegal immigration are $2.6 billion a year.

Think about how those numbers have risen in 2013


There are places in Phoenix, and any town in the SW where entire sections are completely Spanish Speaking. In other words, you wouldn't be able to conduct your daily life there. All due illegal immigration

So what is this about assimilation? Will English speaking people start moving into these areas and reverse it?

None of that is going to stop them from bringing pieces of their culture with them.

but it will curb self segregation and isolated subcultures. Just like Cameron in England pointed out.

It's good to know that you are for open borders and do not believe we are a sovereign nation with borders.. At least I know what kind of person I am arguing with.

(08-13-2013 05:13 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:08 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:06 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  What about the Irish? The Irish came during a time when we promoted American customs and assimilation. We didn't offer the Irish food stamps to illegally cross our border. The Irish don't share a border with us. The Irish didn't flood our country by breaking our laws. The Irish integrated into American society. The Irish didn't try to set up secret courts based on their radical religious beliefs.

And all the while some xenophobic folks like yourself were convinced they'd destroy the country, and worked hard to make them miserable for a long time.

Quote:I have seen nothing that indicates you are not a liberal. You are completely caught up in the far left agenda...

Yeah, well it turns out I no longer care where you think my political leanings are.

Okla thinks you're liberal, JF thinks you're black. You're just an enigma around these parts.

Robert and RWT call me a *********.

Go figure.

You are a liberal. You are part of the same liberal group that labels themselves "moderate" and votes for Obama twice.

I didn't vote for him once. Nice attempt at pigeonholing, though.

(08-13-2013 06:39 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:36 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:14 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  It is supposed to happen before we grant anyone citizenship. Why is this a hard concept?

No they're supposed to be willing to be Americans and able to know enough about America then. We don't tell them to forget their language, drop their religion, stop eating their food, or change their way of dress. Those will end up being influences on our cultures.

I may be getting your definition of assimilation wrong though.

OK. I'm going to really try to simply this for you. I take it you have never lived near our southern border.

When someone applies for US citizenship they must meet a certain criteria. They must pass certain background checks, learn English and take courses on American history...etc. They must go through an assimilation process. This imparative and put in place for a reason.

There are approximately 2,700 illegals coming across our southern border each day. About 300 of those are apprehended. Most of those are released within our borders.

Here are the stats for one southwestern state.


-There were an estimated 278,460 illegal aliens working in Arizona in 2011, approximately 9.3 percent of the total workforce.

-Unemployment in Arizona in January 2012 was 8.7 percent with 262,587 Arizonans officially unemployed.

-Over 10% of children enrolled in public schools (K-12) have parents who are in the U.S. illegally.

-Illegal aliens and their children were found to be 37 percent of the uninsured population in Arizona in 2008, and the cost of uncompensated care for illegal aliens in Arizona is $320 million annually.


-The total education, medical, and incarceration costs in Arizona due to illegal immigration are $2.6 billion a year.

Think about how those numbers have risen in 2013


There are places in Phoenix, and any town in the SW where entire sections are completely Spanish Speaking. In other words, you wouldn't be able to conduct your daily life there. All due illegal immigration

So what is this about assimilation? Will English speaking people start moving into these areas and reverse it?

None of that is going to stop them from bringing pieces of their culture with them.

but it will curb self segregation and isolated subcultures. Just like Cameron in England pointed out.

It's good to know that you are for open borders and do not believe we are a sovereign nation with borders.. At least I know what kind of person I am arguing with.

Never been for open borders actually. We've never even discussed open borders.

(08-13-2013 06:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:13 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:08 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:06 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  And all the while some xenophobic folks like yourself were convinced they'd destroy the country, and worked hard to make them miserable for a long time.


Yeah, well it turns out I no longer care where you think my political leanings are.

Okla thinks you're liberal, JF thinks you're black. You're just an enigma around these parts.

Robert and RWT call me a *********.

Go figure.

You are a liberal. You are part of the same liberal group that labels themselves "moderate" and votes for Obama twice.

I didn't vote for him once. Nice attempt at pigeonholing, though.

There's just something that tells me you did and don't want it to be public knowledge.

(08-13-2013 06:36 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:28 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:55 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  But it's OK for white and black Americans to have their cultures replaced on a daily basis with outside influences from all over the planet. How do you justify this? You pretend whites and blacks don't have a culture.

First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

If you could, name some of these countries with a history.

Where did we get our established culture?

Where did all countries get their history and established culture from? How are we any different?

People who moved there and influenced them, war, changing markets, change in travel, etc. We aren't any different. Our cultures didn't come from a vacuum.

(08-13-2013 06:40 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:39 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:36 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  No they're supposed to be willing to be Americans and able to know enough about America then. We don't tell them to forget their language, drop their religion, stop eating their food, or change their way of dress. Those will end up being influences on our cultures.

I may be getting your definition of assimilation wrong though.

OK. I'm going to really try to simply this for you. I take it you have never lived near our southern border.

When someone applies for US citizenship they must meet a certain criteria. They must pass certain background checks, learn English and take courses on American history...etc. They must go through an assimilation process. This imparative and put in place for a reason.

There are approximately 2,700 illegals coming across our southern border each day. About 300 of those are apprehended. Most of those are released within our borders.

Here are the stats for one southwestern state.


-There were an estimated 278,460 illegal aliens working in Arizona in 2011, approximately 9.3 percent of the total workforce.

-Unemployment in Arizona in January 2012 was 8.7 percent with 262,587 Arizonans officially unemployed.

-Over 10% of children enrolled in public schools (K-12) have parents who are in the U.S. illegally.

-Illegal aliens and their children were found to be 37 percent of the uninsured population in Arizona in 2008, and the cost of uncompensated care for illegal aliens in Arizona is $320 million annually.


-The total education, medical, and incarceration costs in Arizona due to illegal immigration are $2.6 billion a year.

Think about how those numbers have risen in 2013


There are places in Phoenix, and any town in the SW where entire sections are completely Spanish Speaking. In other words, you wouldn't be able to conduct your daily life there. All due illegal immigration

So what is this about assimilation? Will English speaking people start moving into these areas and reverse it?

None of that is going to stop them from bringing pieces of their culture with them.

but it will curb self segregation and isolated subcultures. Just like Cameron in England pointed out.

It's good to know that you are for open borders and do not believe we are a sovereign nation with borders.. At least I know what kind of person I am arguing with.

Never been for open borders actually. We've never even discussed open borders.

Why not? You don't seem to see any problem with open borders and illegal immigrants crossing them by the thousands daily.

(08-13-2013 06:42 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:40 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:39 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:36 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:33 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  OK. I'm going to really try to simply this for you. I take it you have never lived near our southern border.

When someone applies for US citizenship they must meet a certain criteria. They must pass certain background checks, learn English and take courses on American history...etc. They must go through an assimilation process. This imparative and put in place for a reason.

There are approximately 2,700 illegals coming across our southern border each day. About 300 of those are apprehended. Most of those are released within our borders.

Here are the stats for one southwestern state.


-There were an estimated 278,460 illegal aliens working in Arizona in 2011, approximately 9.3 percent of the total workforce.

-Unemployment in Arizona in January 2012 was 8.7 percent with 262,587 Arizonans officially unemployed.

-Over 10% of children enrolled in public schools (K-12) have parents who are in the U.S. illegally.

-Illegal aliens and their children were found to be 37 percent of the uninsured population in Arizona in 2008, and the cost of uncompensated care for illegal aliens in Arizona is $320 million annually.


-The total education, medical, and incarceration costs in Arizona due to illegal immigration are $2.6 billion a year.

Think about how those numbers have risen in 2013


There are places in Phoenix, and any town in the SW where entire sections are completely Spanish Speaking. In other words, you wouldn't be able to conduct your daily life there. All due illegal immigration

So what is this about assimilation? Will English speaking people start moving into these areas and reverse it?

None of that is going to stop them from bringing pieces of their culture with them.

but it will curb self segregation and isolated subcultures. Just like Cameron in England pointed out.

It's good to know that you are for open borders and do not believe we are a sovereign nation with borders.. At least I know what kind of person I am arguing with.

Never been for open borders actually. We've never even discussed open borders.

Why not? You don't seem to see any problem with open borders and illegal immigrants crossing them by the thousands daily.

I've never said any of that. You just like to jump to your own conclusions.

(08-13-2013 06:42 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:36 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:28 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:07 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 06:01 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  First off white culture and black culture aren't monolithic things. They aren't being replaced, but they will be influenced, just like it happened in every other generation of America and the whole world.

Hell, whatever is considered cool will become "white culture" eventually.

False. Like all all countries with a history, we have an established culture. We are entitled and obligated to preserve that. We have an assimilation process for a reason. You comments only demonstrate your justification in bypassing that process.

If you could, name some of these countries with a history.

Where did we get our established culture?

Where did all countries get their history and established culture from? How are we any different?

People who moved there and influenced them, war, changing markets, change in travel, etc. We aren't any different. Our cultures didn't come from a vacuum.

Yes, but at a certain point they become established and cultural protectionism comes into play. We are long passed that point. We are no longer in the pre industrial revolution where America is a new dawn with young heart.