(08-13-2013 05:06 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:35 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I would say by the 19th century we were pretty much established. I know liberals like you like to pretend culture must be piped in from somewhere else, but in actuality, all those cultures are a result of an early melting pot.

Another poster said he doesn't mind if the customs change as long as other sentiments remain. That is impossible when introducing new cultures that outpace the host.

It's pretty easy for you and others to take this stance while your signs are still in English.

Dodged my comment about the Irish entirely.

Yeah, I'm a liberal to someone dangling off the far right edge. Don't worry though. Some lefty will call me a Nazi soon enough.

What about the Irish? The Irish came during a time when we promoted American customs and assimilation. We didn't offer the Irish food stamps to illegally cross our border. The Irish don't share a border with us. The Irish didn't flood our country by breaking our laws. The Irish integrated into American society. The Irish didn't try to set up secret courts based on their radical religious beliefs.

And all the while some xenophobic folks like yourself were convinced they'd destroy the country, and worked hard to make them miserable for a long time.

Quote:I have seen nothing that indicates you are not a liberal. You are completely caught up in the far left agenda...

Yeah, well it turns out I no longer care where you think my political leanings are.

Okla thinks you're liberal, JF thinks you're black. You're just an enigma around these parts.

Robert and RWT call me a *********.

Go figure.

(08-13-2013 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Heh, people called the Irish terrorists, too.

Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of?

They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

Yes, because the Irish were blowing up people at marathons and flying planes into skyscrapers in the name of Christianity.

Quote:Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of? They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

False. English will slowly be replaced with Spanish. It's already happening in cities all over the country. You didn't think those all Spanish neighborhoods would remain confined did you? My childhood neighborhood is a fine example. Some stores are completely run by Spanish only speaking workers.

Was this comment rooted in your ignorance or you being far removed from the situation?

(08-13-2013 05:08 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:06 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Dodged my comment about the Irish entirely.

Yeah, I'm a liberal to someone dangling off the far right edge. Don't worry though. Some lefty will call me a Nazi soon enough.

What about the Irish? The Irish came during a time when we promoted American customs and assimilation. We didn't offer the Irish food stamps to illegally cross our border. The Irish don't share a border with us. The Irish didn't flood our country by breaking our laws. The Irish integrated into American society. The Irish didn't try to set up secret courts based on their radical religious beliefs.

And all the while some xenophobic folks like yourself were convinced they'd destroy the country, and worked hard to make them miserable for a long time.

Quote:I have seen nothing that indicates you are not a liberal. You are completely caught up in the far left agenda...

Yeah, well it turns out I no longer care where you think my political leanings are.

Okla thinks you're liberal, JF thinks you're black. You're just an enigma around these parts.

Robert and RWT call me a *********.

Go figure.

You are a liberal. You are part of the same liberal group that labels themselves "moderate" and votes for Obama twice.

(08-13-2013 05:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Heh, people called the Irish terrorists, too.

Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of?

They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

Yes, because the Irish were blowing up people at marathons and flying planes into skyscrapers in the name of Christianity.

Actually, most of the terrorist attacks that have ever happened in America were by Americans.

(08-13-2013 05:19 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You're just lost man. You cannot grasp this. You want to compare Irish people from a different era to an influx of illegal aliens that are going through no assimilation process whatsoever. You can't make a connection that radical Islam is indeed taking hold in the US. You seem to think those people want to be Americans ...and you think that is xenophobic to see a problem with that? It's almost like you have no grasp of cause and effect or concern for our sovereignty.

Radical Islam is not taking hold in the US, and this self-perpetuating fear about the "Islamization of America" simply isn't true. 0.8% of the US population is Muslim and by 2050, it's expected to be at a little over 2% (and of course, most US Muslims are not radical). The US isn't like Europe where Muslims there are mostly poor and uneducated, creating a perfect breeding ground for radicalism. Percentage-wise, the Muslim demographic here is some of the most educated and financially successful, and those things are often the best deterrents against radicalism.

This is important to say. The word 'radical' itself implies that it's an extreme viewpoint, not shared by the vast majority.

(08-13-2013 05:13 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Heh, people called the Irish terrorists, too.

Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of?

They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

Yes, because the Irish were blowing up people at marathons and flying planes into skyscrapers in the name of Christianity.

Actually, most of the terrorist attacks that have ever happened in America were by Americans.

So how does this statement compare with calling the Irish terrorists and the actual threat of Islamic radicals? Is this another red herring or false comparison? And who defines terrorist attack?

let's me ask you this before you take us off point.

Do you have a problem with American Indians having cultural centers and making huge efforts to preserve their culture and heritage?

(08-13-2013 05:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:13 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Heh, people called the Irish terrorists, too.

Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of?

They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

Yes, because the Irish were blowing up people at marathons and flying planes into skyscrapers in the name of Christianity.

Actually, most of the terrorist attacks that have ever happened in America were by Americans.

So how does this statement compare with calling the Irish terrorists and the actual threat of Islamic radicals? Is this another red herring or false comparison? And who defines terrorist attack?

let's me ask you this before you take us off point.

Do you have a problem with American Indians having cultural centers and making huge efforts to preserve their culture and heritage?

I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

(08-13-2013 05:19 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You're just lost man. You cannot grasp this. You want to compare Irish people from a different era to an influx of illegal aliens that are going through no assimilation process whatsoever. You can't make a connection that radical Islam is indeed taking hold in the US. You seem to think those people want to be Americans ...and you think that is xenophobic to see a problem with that? It's almost like you have no grasp of cause and effect or concern for our sovereignty.

Radical Islam is not taking hold in the US, and this self-perpetuating fear about the "Islamization of America" simply isn't true. 0.8% of the US population is Muslim and by 2050, it's expected to be at a little over 2% (and of course, most US Muslims are not radical). The US isn't like Europe where Muslims there are mostly poor and uneducated, creating a perfect breeding ground for radicalism. Percentage-wise, the Muslim demographic here is some of the most educated and financially successful, and those things are often the best deterrents against radicalism.

Wrong, there radical Islamic groups in about 20 US states.
http://www.bbsradio.com/webbbs/images/main/pic15146.gif

Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.

Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2013...-killings/

(08-13-2013 05:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:19 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You're just lost man. You cannot grasp this. You want to compare Irish people from a different era to an influx of illegal aliens that are going through no assimilation process whatsoever. You can't make a connection that radical Islam is indeed taking hold in the US. You seem to think those people want to be Americans ...and you think that is xenophobic to see a problem with that? It's almost like you have no grasp of cause and effect or concern for our sovereignty.

Radical Islam is not taking hold in the US, and this self-perpetuating fear about the "Islamization of America" simply isn't true. 0.8% of the US population is Muslim and by 2050, it's expected to be at a little over 2% (and of course, most US Muslims are not radical). The US isn't like Europe where Muslims there are mostly poor and uneducated, creating a perfect breeding ground for radicalism. Percentage-wise, the Muslim demographic here is some of the most educated and financially successful, and those things are often the best deterrents against radicalism.

Wrong, there radical Islamic groups in about 20 US states.
http://www.bbsradio.com/webbbs/images/main/pic15146.gif

Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.

Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2013...-killings/

So 5% of .08 percent. Do you realize how small of a number that is?

(08-13-2013 05:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:13 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Heh, people called the Irish terrorists, too.

Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of?

They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

Yes, because the Irish were blowing up people at marathons and flying planes into skyscrapers in the name of Christianity.

Actually, most of the terrorist attacks that have ever happened in America were by Americans.

So how does this statement compare with calling the Irish terrorists and the actual threat of Islamic radicals? Is this another red herring or false comparison? And who defines terrorist attack?

let's me ask you this before you take us off point.

Do you have a problem with American Indians having cultural centers and making huge efforts to preserve their culture and heritage?

I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

Quote:I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

So that justifies an outside problem? If we are doing it, so can they.

Quote:Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

This thread sure the hell isn't about gay rights

Quote:Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

If you don't have a problem with it, why criticize it? Could it be because you put a different set of standards on what I am defending?

(08-13-2013 05:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Heh, people called the Irish terrorists, too.

Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of?

They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

Yes, because the Irish were blowing up people at marathons and flying planes into skyscrapers in the name of Christianity.

Quote:Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of? They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

False. English will slowly be replaced with Spanish. It's already happening in cities all over the country. You didn't think those all Spanish neighborhoods would remain confined did you? My childhood neighborhood is a fine example. Some stores are completely run by Spanish only speaking workers.

Was this comment rooted in your ignorance or you being far removed from the situation?

100 years ago, neighborhoods were taken over by German speaker. Then Russian, or Polish. Or Chinese. They all end up speaking English.

(08-13-2013 05:34 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:32 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:19 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:00 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  You're just lost man. You cannot grasp this. You want to compare Irish people from a different era to an influx of illegal aliens that are going through no assimilation process whatsoever. You can't make a connection that radical Islam is indeed taking hold in the US. You seem to think those people want to be Americans ...and you think that is xenophobic to see a problem with that? It's almost like you have no grasp of cause and effect or concern for our sovereignty.

Radical Islam is not taking hold in the US, and this self-perpetuating fear about the "Islamization of America" simply isn't true. 0.8% of the US population is Muslim and by 2050, it's expected to be at a little over 2% (and of course, most US Muslims are not radical). The US isn't like Europe where Muslims there are mostly poor and uneducated, creating a perfect breeding ground for radicalism. Percentage-wise, the Muslim demographic here is some of the most educated and financially successful, and those things are often the best deterrents against radicalism.

Wrong, there radical Islamic groups in about 20 US states.
http://www.bbsradio.com/webbbs/images/main/pic15146.gif

Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.

Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/taslima/2013...-killings/

So 5% of .08 percent. Do you realize how small of a number that is?

Do you realize that number continues to rise? Do you realize 1-10 is not a small number? Do you realize we have been at war with radical Islam for quite some time now? Do you realize we have had three major terrorist attacks on our soil in the last 12 years fueled by radical Islam? Do you realize this is a global problem?

Or are you going to continue to use 2003 talking points when the left was still trying to downplay the problem?

(08-13-2013 05:38 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:03 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Heh, people called the Irish terrorists, too.

Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of?

They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

Yes, because the Irish were blowing up people at marathons and flying planes into skyscrapers in the name of Christianity.

Quote:Know what about all those unassimilating brown folks you're so afraid of? They probably don't speak English. Their kids will be bilingual. Their grandkids will only speak English.

False. English will slowly be replaced with Spanish. It's already happening in cities all over the country. You didn't think those all Spanish neighborhoods would remain confined did you? My childhood neighborhood is a fine example. Some stores are completely run by Spanish only speaking workers.

Was this comment rooted in your ignorance or you being far removed from the situation?

100 years ago, neighborhoods were taken over by German speaker. Then Russian, or Polish. Or Chinese. They all end up speaking English.

There weren't around 20 million of them flooding the entire country. That wasn't a continuous problem.

(08-13-2013 05:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:13 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:11 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Yes, because the Irish were blowing up people at marathons and flying planes into skyscrapers in the name of Christianity.

Actually, most of the terrorist attacks that have ever happened in America were by Americans.

So how does this statement compare with calling the Irish terrorists and the actual threat of Islamic radicals? Is this another red herring or false comparison? And who defines terrorist attack?

let's me ask you this before you take us off point.

Do you have a problem with American Indians having cultural centers and making huge efforts to preserve their culture and heritage?

I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

Quote:I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

So that justifies an outside problem? If we are doing it, so can they.

Quote:Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

This thread sure the hell isn't about gay rights

Quote:Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

If you don't have a problem with it, why criticize it? Could it be because you put a different set of standards on what I am defending?

I criticize you because I don't believe you're defending American heritage. I think you're defending your ideal America.

(08-13-2013 05:46 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:13 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Actually, most of the terrorist attacks that have ever happened in America were by Americans.

So how does this statement compare with calling the Irish terrorists and the actual threat of Islamic radicals? Is this another red herring or false comparison? And who defines terrorist attack?

let's me ask you this before you take us off point.

Do you have a problem with American Indians having cultural centers and making huge efforts to preserve their culture and heritage?

I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

Quote:I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

So that justifies an outside problem? If we are doing it, so can they.

Quote:Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

This thread sure the hell isn't about gay rights

Quote:Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

If you don't have a problem with it, why criticize it? Could it be because you put a different set of standards on what I am defending?

I criticize you because YOU are the person that I'm talking to.

So if an American Indian came on this forum and talked about things threatening his or her heritage would you criticize that person?

(08-13-2013 05:47 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:46 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:24 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So how does this statement compare with calling the Irish terrorists and the actual threat of Islamic radicals? Is this another red herring or false comparison? And who defines terrorist attack?

let's me ask you this before you take us off point.

Do you have a problem with American Indians having cultural centers and making huge efforts to preserve their culture and heritage?

I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

Quote:I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

So that justifies an outside problem? If we are doing it, so can they.

Quote:Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

This thread sure the hell isn't about gay rights

Quote:Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

If you don't have a problem with it, why criticize it? Could it be because you put a different set of standards on what I am defending?

I criticize you because YOU are the person that I'm talking to.

So if an American Indian came on this forum and talked about things threatening his or her heritage would you criticize that person?

No because he has a very legitimate concern. His whole population could be in the thousands and slowly dying off everyday.

(08-13-2013 05:48 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  Even if Spanish replaces English altogether, is it ultimately a big deal? In the end, language is simply a form of communication. Spanish accomplishes the exact same thing as English, just differently.

Is they sky green in the universe in which you live?

(08-13-2013 05:50 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:47 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:46 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:38 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:31 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

Quote:I didn't mean to compare it, just saying that we are the biggest cause of our own problems also. Terrorist attacks are just defined by public sentiment.

So that justifies an outside problem? If we are doing it, so can they.

Quote:Don't worry about me taking us off point. You've done that enough in this thread.

This thread sure the hell isn't about gay rights

Quote:Of course I don't have a problem with that. I don't have a problem with you doing it either. It doesn't excuse you from criticism however.

If you don't have a problem with it, why criticize it? Could it be because you put a different set of standards on what I am defending?

I criticize you because YOU are the person that I'm talking to.

So if an American Indian came on this forum and talked about things threatening his or her heritage would you criticize that person?

No because he has a very legitimate concern. His whole population could be in the thousands and slowly dying off everyday.

But it's OK for white and black Americans to have their cultures replaced on a daily basis with outside influences from all over the planet. How do you justify this? You pretend whites and blacks don't have a culture.

(08-13-2013 05:48 PM)smudge12 Wrote:  Even if Spanish replaces English altogether, is it ultimately a big deal? In the end, language is simply a form of communication. Spanish accomplishes the exact same thing as English, just differently. It's not like English is our national language.

and this is why we have become so weak. Kool aid drinkers are everywhere.

(08-13-2013 05:08 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 05:06 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:52 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:46 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-13-2013 04:39 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Dodged my comment about the Irish entirely.

Yeah, I'm a liberal to someone dangling off the far right edge. Don't worry though. Some lefty will call me a Nazi soon enough.

What about the Irish? The Irish came during a time when we promoted American customs and assimilation. We didn't offer the Irish food stamps to illegally cross our border. The Irish don't share a border with us. The Irish didn't flood our country by breaking our laws. The Irish integrated into American society. The Irish didn't try to set up secret courts based on their radical religious beliefs.

And all the while some xenophobic folks like yourself were convinced they'd destroy the country, and worked hard to make them miserable for a long time.

Quote:I have seen nothing that indicates you are not a liberal. You are completely caught up in the far left agenda...

Yeah, well it turns out I no longer care where you think my political leanings are.

Okla thinks you're liberal, JF thinks you're black. You're just an enigma around these parts.

Robert and RWT call me a *********.

Go figure.

That's why you have 8 billion rep points. Wish you could redeem them for cash or something.