(05-10-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 12:41 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This would straight up ruin college football even more. NCAA royally f***ed up by never having a playoff for CFB. Now all the greedy bastards running CFB are going to completely ruin a perfectly good thing. If they do go ahead with a separate division/association/whatever, say goodbye to CFB.

I think seperate divisions is the best ting that could happen to all of college football. Look at high schools, there are levels or divisions and they are all happy. Each level has their playoff champion and I never knew of a 4A high school state champion that was not just as happy as the 6A champion.

Sure the money and exposure would be differnet but all schools in the same division would be on the same level.

With all due respect and no offense intended, but Toledo is never going to be able to compete with Michigan. Yes you can say the same thing about SMU. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

And no Way that DII school Boise will ever amount to anything..

FWIW Toledo beat Michigan the last time the two teams played..

(05-10-2013 01:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 12:41 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This would straight up ruin college football even more. NCAA royally f***ed up by never having a playoff for CFB. Now all the greedy bastards running CFB are going to completely ruin a perfectly good thing. If they do go ahead with a separate division/association/whatever, say goodbye to CFB.

I think seperate divisions is the best ting that could happen to all of college football. Look at high schools, there are levels or divisions and they are all happy. Each level has their playoff champion and I never knew of a 4A high school state champion that was not just as happy as the 6A champion.

Sure the money and exposure would be differnet but all schools in the same division would be on the same level.

With all due respect and no offense intended, but Toledo is never going to be able to compete with Michigan. Yes you can say the same thing about SMU. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

And no Way that DII school Boise will ever amount to anything..

FWIW Toledo beat Michigan the last time the two teams played..

You guys posting for lower tier teams aren't getting it... flagship, high academic state, and the brand name private schools would rather go 1-11 most years against peer institutions than scratch out 6-6 every year by competing with a mix of schools that have nothing except maybe proximity in common. The SMU comment earlier is spot on. I am a UK fan by familial affiliation, but I actually attended a small private school so I could play athletics (Lipscomb). I have no inclination that we "deserve" to play with the new Big East conference members. Do I hope we expand our boundaries and compete at the highest level possible? Of course, but only against peer institutions because that is where important collegial relationships are formed. Step back and think about a DIII school near your team. Do you care about playing them in sports? Generally, no. They may even be better academically, culturally, whatever, but they are probably not peers. Appalachian State over the last decade is a great example. Make a name for yourself. Own your peers.

(05-10-2013 12:59 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 12:41 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This would straight up ruin college football even more. NCAA royally f***ed up by never having a playoff for CFB. Now all the greedy bastards running CFB are going to completely ruin a perfectly good thing. If they do go ahead with a separate division/association/whatever, say goodbye to CFB.

Yes, college football as we know it will die.

The excitement in the non-bigs will be killed. The Big 5 non-power teams like Indiana, Vandy, IA State, Northwestern, etc have to understand they won't be able to pad their schedule.

The KY, Mem, Indiana, etc basketball schools have to understand no more warm-up teams early in the season.

No more making the rules for everyone in all sports.

If the non-Big 5 don't stick together and go for total separation they might as well call it a day.

Eh, attempts at scheduling padding don't always work out, unfortunately. And the basketball schools will be just fine, as our guarantee games can make up for a lot of the smaller schools funding shortfalls.

(05-10-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 12:41 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This would straight up ruin college football even more. NCAA royally f***ed up by never having a playoff for CFB. Now all the greedy bastards running CFB are going to completely ruin a perfectly good thing. If they do go ahead with a separate division/association/whatever, say goodbye to CFB.

I think seperate divisions is the best ting that could happen to all of college football. Look at high schools, there are levels or divisions and they are all happy. Each level has their playoff champion and I never knew of a 4A high school state champion that was not just as happy as the 6A champion.

Sure the money and exposure would be differnet but all schools in the same division would be on the same level.

With all due respect and no offense intended, but Toledo is never going to be able to compete with Michigan. Yes you can say the same thing about SMU. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

Sorry. I couldn't disagree more. College is not high school. If most SMU fans felt that way they would have stayed in CUSA. Every year, the FCS playoffs occur and nobody cares. I assure you-nobdy will care about the left behind playoff. The reason nobody will care is the team that wins is not the best team in college football. The winner would just be a team that beat a bunch of other former old-non AQ schools. The public reaction will be a collective yawn. Basically, nothing to see here. Everyone knows who won the NCAA tournament--but ask them who won the NIT and few have a clue. That's where the left behinds will be.

Personally, I wil watch little Big Boy football if that happens and may even lose interest in my own schools team. It just wouldn't be the game I grew up being a fan of. I just don't think I'd be interested anymore. I can't imagine TV would be crazy about a concept that alienates half the viewers.

(05-10-2013 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 12:41 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This would straight up ruin college football even more. NCAA royally f***ed up by never having a playoff for CFB. Now all the greedy bastards running CFB are going to completely ruin a perfectly good thing. If they do go ahead with a separate division/association/whatever, say goodbye to CFB.

I think seperate divisions is the best ting that could happen to all of college football. Look at high schools, there are levels or divisions and they are all happy. Each level has their playoff champion and I never knew of a 4A high school state champion that was not just as happy as the 6A champion.

Sure the money and exposure would be differnet but all schools in the same division would be on the same level.

With all due respect and no offense intended, but Toledo is never going to be able to compete with Michigan. Yes you can say the same thing about SMU. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

Sorry. I couldn't disagree more. College is not high school. If most SMU fans felt that way they would have stayed in CUSA. Every year, the FCS playoffs occur and nobody cares. I assure you-nobdy will care about the left behind playoff. The reason nobody will care is the team that wins is not the best team in college football. The winner would just be a team that beat a bunch of other former old-non AQ schools. The public reaction will be a collective yawn. Basically, nothing to see here. Everyone knows who won the NCAA tournament--but ask them who won the NIT and few have a clue. That's where the left behinds will be.

Personally, I wil watch little Big Boy football if that happens and may even lose interest in my own schools team. It just wouldn't be the game I grew up being a fan of. I just don't think I'd be interested anymore. I can't imagine TV would be crazy about a concept that alienates half the viewers.

The remaining NCAA would have to reform and rewrite the rule book. FCS and FBS would have to be changed. I would suggest a promotion/relegation system for all the remaining schools in the NCAA.

Basketball Div-I would have to be changed including the tourney.

It is true that it would initially have less interest but it would not be like the FCS/FBS divide because there would finally be separate governance.

One a semi-pro league...one a traditional college league. I would say that a new NCAA with promotion/relegation governing itself would have much more potential than an FCS governed from above does.

Personally I think the Big 5 would choose to maintain control even if they lose a few crumbs off the table to do it.

(05-10-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  With all due respect and no offense intended, but Toledo is never going to be able to compete with Michigan. Yes you can say the same thing about SMU. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

Actually, UT is undefeated against teams like Michigan, Penn St., and Colorado.

(05-10-2013 02:11 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  You guys posting for lower tier teams aren't getting it... flagship, high academic state, and the brand name private schools would rather go 1-11 most years against peer institutions than scratch out 6-6 every year by competing with a mix of schools that have nothing except maybe proximity in common.

Then tell me princess... Why is UK scheduling Miami-O, Alabama State, and WKU this year?

Seriously? There is *nothing* forcing ESS-EEE-SEA schools to schedule mid majors and FCS teams... After all you'd rather go 1-11 and have only 6 home games then seven or 8 and eek out a 6-6 bowl bid

The SEC is taking these games because they need them. The good teams need the home dates for money, and the poor teams need the lower middies so that maybe fans can't pretend their football situation is not as hopeless as EMU

And for the Record some of those mid Major schools *are* flagships with high academic standards...

Quote:Step back and think about a DIII school near your team. Do you care about playing them in sports? Generally, no.

Except the gap between The worst SEC team and a good mid major is nowhere near as distant as the gap between a DIII school and UMass... Seriously Kentucky is *almost* as good as the better mid majors.

The football bravado you seem to think is owed to you because of your conference affiliation is funny. The fact Boise field a better program than you is down right hilarious!

(05-10-2013 02:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 12:41 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This would straight up ruin college football even more. NCAA royally f***ed up by never having a playoff for CFB. Now all the greedy bastards running CFB are going to completely ruin a perfectly good thing. If they do go ahead with a separate division/association/whatever, say goodbye to CFB.

I think seperate divisions is the best ting that could happen to all of college football. Look at high schools, there are levels or divisions and they are all happy. Each level has their playoff champion and I never knew of a 4A high school state champion that was not just as happy as the 6A champion.

Sure the money and exposure would be differnet but all schools in the same division would be on the same level.

With all due respect and no offense intended, but Toledo is never going to be able to compete with Michigan. Yes you can say the same thing about SMU. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

Sorry. I couldn't disagree more. College is not high school. If most SMU fans felt that way they would have stayed in CUSA. Every year, the FCS playoffs occur and nobody cares. I assure you-nobdy will care about the left behind playoff. The reason nobody will care is the team that wins is not the best team in college football. The winner would just be a team that beat a bunch of other former old-non AQ schools. The public reaction will be a collective yawn. Basically, nothing to see here. Everyone knows who won the NCAA tournament--but ask them who won the NIT and few have a clue. That's where the left behinds will be.

Personally, I wil watch little Big Boy football if that happens and may even lose interest in my own schools team. It just wouldn't be the game I grew up being a fan of. I just don't think I'd be interested anymore. I can't imagine TV would be crazy about a concept that alienates half the viewers.

The remaining NCAA would have to reform and rewrite the rule book. FCS and FBS would have to be changed. I would suggest a promotion/relegation system for all the remaining schools in the NCAA.

Basketball Div-I would have to be changed including the tourney.

It is true that it would initially have less interest but it would not be like the FCS/FBS divide because there would finally be separate governance.

One a semi-pro league...one a traditional college league. I would say that a new NCAA with promotion/relegation governing itself would have much more potential than an FCS governed from above does.

Personally I think the Big 5 would choose to maintain control even if they lose a few crumbs off the table to do it.

You could enact all that stuff and it wouldnt matter. The only winners here would be the fans of the big schools. The fan bases of half of the current FBS schools would be losers. The networks would watch early half thier audience dissapper (at worst) or become far less habitual watchers. Not usre what would happen to the left behinds, I guess they would be stuck in a quasi FCS world with 15K-20K crowds and minimal TV coverage as interest in this level of football wained.

(05-10-2013 02:11 PM)bigblueblindness Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:49 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 12:41 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This would straight up ruin college football even more. NCAA royally f***ed up by never having a playoff for CFB. Now all the greedy bastards running CFB are going to completely ruin a perfectly good thing. If they do go ahead with a separate division/association/whatever, say goodbye to CFB.

I think seperate divisions is the best ting that could happen to all of college football. Look at high schools, there are levels or divisions and they are all happy. Each level has their playoff champion and I never knew of a 4A high school state champion that was not just as happy as the 6A champion.

Sure the money and exposure would be differnet but all schools in the same division would be on the same level.

With all due respect and no offense intended, but Toledo is never going to be able to compete with Michigan. Yes you can say the same thing about SMU. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

And no Way that DII school Boise will ever amount to anything..

FWIW Toledo beat Michigan the last time the two teams played..

You guys posting for lower tier teams aren't getting it... flagship, high academic state, and the brand name private schools would rather go 1-11 most years against peer institutions than scratch out 6-6 every year by competing with a mix of schools that have nothing except maybe proximity in common. The SMU comment earlier is spot on. I am a UK fan by familial affiliation, but I actually attended a small private school so I could play athletics (Lipscomb). I have no inclination that we "deserve" to play with the new Big East conference members. Do I hope we expand our boundaries and compete at the highest level possible? Of course, but only against peer institutions because that is where important collegial relationships are formed. Step back and think about a DIII school near your team. Do you care about playing them in sports? Generally, no. They may even be better academically, culturally, whatever, but they are probably not peers. Appalachian State over the last decade is a great example. Make a name for yourself. Own your peers.

The funny thing is, many fans of small school also watch large schools. They watch them because they share a division and want to play in a bowl at the highest level one day. Cut off the small confernces and all that TV audience dissappears--out of disinterest or maybe even out of spite. They wont watch your games, buy your merchandise, support your bowls, or subscribe to your networks. When ala carte cable comes--the whole model that the money conferences are based on will struggle and that lost audience will be missed. Besides, what the point anyway. The big schools already get all the money. The concept sounds like nothing but a fast track to killing the golden goose.

(05-10-2013 04:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 02:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 12:41 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  This would straight up ruin college football even more. NCAA royally f***ed up by never having a playoff for CFB. Now all the greedy bastards running CFB are going to completely ruin a perfectly good thing. If they do go ahead with a separate division/association/whatever, say goodbye to CFB.

I think seperate divisions is the best ting that could happen to all of college football. Look at high schools, there are levels or divisions and they are all happy. Each level has their playoff champion and I never knew of a 4A high school state champion that was not just as happy as the 6A champion.

Sure the money and exposure would be differnet but all schools in the same division would be on the same level.

With all due respect and no offense intended, but Toledo is never going to be able to compete with Michigan. Yes you can say the same thing about SMU. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

Sorry. I couldn't disagree more. College is not high school. If most SMU fans felt that way they would have stayed in CUSA. Every year, the FCS playoffs occur and nobody cares. I assure you-nobdy will care about the left behind playoff. The reason nobody will care is the team that wins is not the best team in college football. The winner would just be a team that beat a bunch of other former old-non AQ schools. The public reaction will be a collective yawn. Basically, nothing to see here. Everyone knows who won the NCAA tournament--but ask them who won the NIT and few have a clue. That's where the left behinds will be.

Personally, I wil watch little Big Boy football if that happens and may even lose interest in my own schools team. It just wouldn't be the game I grew up being a fan of. I just don't think I'd be interested anymore. I can't imagine TV would be crazy about a concept that alienates half the viewers.

The remaining NCAA would have to reform and rewrite the rule book. FCS and FBS would have to be changed. I would suggest a promotion/relegation system for all the remaining schools in the NCAA.

Basketball Div-I would have to be changed including the tourney.

It is true that it would initially have less interest but it would not be like the FCS/FBS divide because there would finally be separate governance.

One a semi-pro league...one a traditional college league. I would say that a new NCAA with promotion/relegation governing itself would have much more potential than an FCS governed from above does.

Personally I think the Big 5 would choose to maintain control even if they lose a few crumbs off the table to do it.

You could enact all that stuff and it wouldnt matter. The only winners here would be the fans of the big schools. The fan bases of half of the current FBS schools would be losers. The networks would watch early half thier audience dissapper (at worst) or become far less habitual watchers. Not usre what would happen to the left behinds, I guess they would be stuck in a quasi FCS world with 15K-20K crowds and minimal TV coverage as interest in this level of football wained.

Not necessarily. College does okay today even though there is an NFL.

It all depends on how you do it and how you market it and promote it.

FCS gets no money and no promotion. That may not be the case with an NCAA Network and a changing media.

Relegation/Promotion for instance would go a long way toward getting current FCS fans interested in the premier league left above.

(05-10-2013 07:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 04:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 02:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 01:28 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  I think seperate divisions is the best ting that could happen to all of college football. Look at high schools, there are levels or divisions and they are all happy. Each level has their playoff champion and I never knew of a 4A high school state champion that was not just as happy as the 6A champion.

Sure the money and exposure would be differnet but all schools in the same division would be on the same level.

With all due respect and no offense intended, but Toledo is never going to be able to compete with Michigan. Yes you can say the same thing about SMU. That is just the way it is and it is not going to change.

Sorry. I couldn't disagree more. College is not high school. If most SMU fans felt that way they would have stayed in CUSA. Every year, the FCS playoffs occur and nobody cares. I assure you-nobdy will care about the left behind playoff. The reason nobody will care is the team that wins is not the best team in college football. The winner would just be a team that beat a bunch of other former old-non AQ schools. The public reaction will be a collective yawn. Basically, nothing to see here. Everyone knows who won the NCAA tournament--but ask them who won the NIT and few have a clue. That's where the left behinds will be.

Personally, I wil watch little Big Boy football if that happens and may even lose interest in my own schools team. It just wouldn't be the game I grew up being a fan of. I just don't think I'd be interested anymore. I can't imagine TV would be crazy about a concept that alienates half the viewers.

The remaining NCAA would have to reform and rewrite the rule book. FCS and FBS would have to be changed. I would suggest a promotion/relegation system for all the remaining schools in the NCAA.

Basketball Div-I would have to be changed including the tourney.

It is true that it would initially have less interest but it would not be like the FCS/FBS divide because there would finally be separate governance.

One a semi-pro league...one a traditional college league. I would say that a new NCAA with promotion/relegation governing itself would have much more potential than an FCS governed from above does.

Personally I think the Big 5 would choose to maintain control even if they lose a few crumbs off the table to do it.

You could enact all that stuff and it wouldnt matter. The only winners here would be the fans of the big schools. The fan bases of half of the current FBS schools would be losers. The networks would watch early half thier audience dissapper (at worst) or become far less habitual watchers. Not usre what would happen to the left behinds, I guess they would be stuck in a quasi FCS world with 15K-20K crowds and minimal TV coverage as interest in this level of football wained.

Not necessarily. College does okay today even though there is an NFL.

It all depends on how you do it and how you market it and promote it.

FCS gets no money and no promotion. That may not be the case with an NCAA Network and a changing media.

Relegation/Promotion for instance would go a long way toward getting current FCS fans interested in the premier league left above.

The problem is the top nonAQ schools that just missed making it into the big boys leagues would be the ones that would be expected to be the big draws for this new glorified FCS division. Unfortunately those same schools would be devastated by the worthless media contracts and the huge drops in attendance due the massively downgraded schedules and lack of any prestigious post season opportunities. I know...there will be a playoff. But realistically, nobody will care about it. The ones that still care about college football will be watching the Outback Bowl, the rest will find something else to do. That's the main reason I don't think this will happen. There is too much risk of alienating half of the college football fan bases. That's a lot of risk considering the P5 already make virtaully all the money anyway. Is it really worth killing the golden goose to try and squeeze out 10-15% more? I think it doesn't happen--but it's a heck of a way to push the player stipend provision through the NCAA.

Ok, change of pace from the posts that I mostly scrolled right past.

Saban mentioned 70 schools. Doing the math that is six more than we have right now in the Power 5. Add two to the PAC and four to the Big 12 to have five conferences of 14? Just curious what folks think Saban is thinking, if anyone even caught that little tidbit.

(05-10-2013 07:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok, change of pace from the posts that I mostly scrolled right past.

Saban mentioned 70 schools. Doing the math that is six more than we have right now in the Power 5. Add two to the PAC and four to the Big 12 to have five conferences of 14? Just curious what folks think Saban is thinking, if anyone even caught that little tidbit.

Like I've said before, if there is a streamlining at the top level, I think it gets cut down to close to its modern era historical average of 80-100 schools. I figure around 90 is where it ends up. As an example, the current 5 power conferences (with the Big12 returning to 12) along with the MW and the AAC would be 90. You could come up with rules with criteria that exclude about 36 individual schools (realignment hell for the nonAQs) or you could make rules that include/exclude entire conferences (might leave out some deserving individual schools). Both methods have issues.

(05-10-2013 07:47 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  Ok, change of pace from the posts that I mostly scrolled right past.

Saban mentioned 70 schools. Doing the math that is six more than we have right now in the Power 5. Add two to the PAC and four to the Big 12 to have five conferences of 14? Just curious what folks think Saban is thinking, if anyone even caught that little tidbit.

I caught it last August when not only he gave those numbers, but Barry Alvarez did as well. It's an old quote which an ancient thread covered. Unless he said it again I don't understand the fuss. But if they don't notice the number how is it ever going to sink in that there are a lot of serious folks who are considering either a separate division or a total breakaway. I know it's hard for many outside of the South to realize that this talk (which started in the 70's in the Southeast) is serious business to our AD's.

I don't think Saban and his like would be so lucky as to have it be so neat and tidy. I think 70 is a dream, just like 4x16 was. In order to make it fly, as you guys are saying, more Universities and perhaps even more conferences will have to be brought into the fold otherwise the votes may not be there for the new NCAA division and the 13 game seasons that will come with the new division most likely.

(05-10-2013 08:16 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  I don't think Saban and his like would be so lucky as to have it be so neat and tidy. I think 70 is a dream, just like 4x16 was. In order to make it fly, as you guys are saying, more Universities and perhaps even more conferences will have to be brought into the fold otherwise the votes may not be there for the new NCAA division and the 13 game seasons that will come with the new division most likely.

Keep in mind there are some other numbers behind the number 70. There are natural cutoffs on the level of investment into programs at 60, 64, and 71. Cincinnati is right on that cutoff line and I think will eventually make it in. If we stop at 65 (counting N.D.) there will be several deserving programs left out. If we stop at 72 (counting N.D.) then I feel that any objections to the new tier will be overcome. 72 out of 126 is a clear enough majority and with the biggest money programs in the lead the NCAA will relent or lose out totally. Also remember that there are some basketball only schools that may opt for inclusion in that upper tier so that they can pay the stipend as well. We'll see.

This isn't going to happen, it would kill off the interest of the "average college football fan," not increase it. The only fans who would follow this would be "football purist" and graduates of those schools.

(05-10-2013 07:40 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 07:25 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 04:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 02:43 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(05-10-2013 02:19 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Sorry. I couldn't disagree more. College is not high school. If most SMU fans felt that way they would have stayed in CUSA. Every year, the FCS playoffs occur and nobody cares. I assure you-nobdy will care about the left behind playoff. The reason nobody will care is the team that wins is not the best team in college football. The winner would just be a team that beat a bunch of other former old-non AQ schools. The public reaction will be a collective yawn. Basically, nothing to see here. Everyone knows who won the NCAA tournament--but ask them who won the NIT and few have a clue. That's where the left behinds will be.

Personally, I wil watch little Big Boy football if that happens and may even lose interest in my own schools team. It just wouldn't be the game I grew up being a fan of. I just don't think I'd be interested anymore. I can't imagine TV would be crazy about a concept that alienates half the viewers.

The remaining NCAA would have to reform and rewrite the rule book. FCS and FBS would have to be changed. I would suggest a promotion/relegation system for all the remaining schools in the NCAA.

Basketball Div-I would have to be changed including the tourney.

It is true that it would initially have less interest but it would not be like the FCS/FBS divide because there would finally be separate governance.

One a semi-pro league...one a traditional college league. I would say that a new NCAA with promotion/relegation governing itself would have much more potential than an FCS governed from above does.

Personally I think the Big 5 would choose to maintain control even if they lose a few crumbs off the table to do it.

You could enact all that stuff and it wouldnt matter. The only winners here would be the fans of the big schools. The fan bases of half of the current FBS schools would be losers. The networks would watch early half thier audience dissapper (at worst) or become far less habitual watchers. Not usre what would happen to the left behinds, I guess they would be stuck in a quasi FCS world with 15K-20K crowds and minimal TV coverage as interest in this level of football wained.

Not necessarily. College does okay today even though there is an NFL.

It all depends on how you do it and how you market it and promote it.

FCS gets no money and no promotion. That may not be the case with an NCAA Network and a changing media.

Relegation/Promotion for instance would go a long way toward getting current FCS fans interested in the premier league left above.

The problem is the top nonAQ schools that just missed making it into the big boys leagues would be the ones that would be expected to be the big draws for this new glorified FCS division. Unfortunately those same schools would be devastated by the worthless media contracts and the huge drops in attendance due the massively downgraded schedules and lack of any prestigious post season opportunities. I know...there will be a playoff. But realistically, nobody will care about it. The ones that still care about college football will be watching the Outback Bowl, the rest will find something else to do. That's the main reason I don't think this will happen. There is too much risk of alienating half of the college football fan bases. That's a lot of risk considering the P5 already make virtaully all the money anyway. Is it really worth killing the golden goose to try and squeeze out 10-15% more? I think it doesn't happen--but it's a heck of a way to push the player stipend provision through the NCAA.

I agree that is bad for most. The left-behinds and most of the breakaways too.

But if they decide to do it then we create something new and different.

Obviously the non-P5 hate the idea because it cuts them off from a share of the money and attention the P5 create. They want a system that gives them an even bigger slice of said money and attention that they can't generate on their own.

Obviously the P5 could care less what they want.

But what the P5 will do us stay in the NCAA but in a seperate subdivision. That way only P5 teams will have access to their post season playoff and bowls but they can still schedule G5 teams like FCS teams are still scheduled today.

(05-10-2013 08:42 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  But what the P5 will do is stay in the NCAA but in a seperate subdivision. That way only P5 teams will have access to their post season playoff and bowls but they can still schedule G5 teams like FCS teams are still scheduled today.

And that is what the left-behinds CANNOT allow. They can't give the P5 the benefits of associating with them but get nothing in return. If the left-behinds allowed that they might as well close up shop because it is permanently over for them.

It's either a full divorce in all sports and in governance or nothing.

At least in that case you can rewrite the rules to favor yourselves and start working on creating something new that can capture a niche market without being hamstrung from above.