Maybe they are just looking for something. Something they do not know what that is.
Like a lot of people.

I have said for years that there are women that seek and love to be abused.

(04-23-2013 06:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I have said for years that there are women that seek and love to be abused.

How come I never found any?

(04-23-2013 10:16 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 04:50 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Those women will likely be sorry. Sooner rather than later. Once the true nature of what they joined becomes clear to them, they may well regret giving in to the sales pitch.

I'd like to see the breakdown between nonmuslim women converting to Islam due to marriage and nonmuslim women converting not related to marriage. Let's be honest, the majority of those converting due to marriage are probably only doing it out of "love". Nothing wrong that, though, if that's the choice they make.

You have a strange, virtually meaningless, definition of "wrong."

I was almost there myself, so , yeah, I know what I'm talking about. Feel free to judge though.

You mean your girlfriend was about to convert to Christianity out of love?

Wonder if there are any combination Polygamist-Muslim cultures.

(04-23-2013 06:55 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 06:17 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I have said for years that there are women that seek and love to be abused.

How come I never found any?

Evidently you are a gentlemen that respects and actually likes women, not someone that thinks they are property.

That's true, but would have been interesting trying to provide for her needs.

(04-23-2013 08:02 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Wonder if there are any combination Polygamist-Muslim cultures.

Hell yes. It is quite common in many Islamic nations. Up to 4 wives is perfectly fine according to the writings of ole Muhammad.

(04-23-2013 07:52 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 10:16 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 04:50 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Those women will likely be sorry. Sooner rather than later. Once the true nature of what they joined becomes clear to them, they may well regret giving in to the sales pitch.

I'd like to see the breakdown between nonmuslim women converting to Islam due to marriage and nonmuslim women converting not related to marriage. Let's be honest, the majority of those converting due to marriage are probably only doing it out of "love". Nothing wrong that, though, if that's the choice they make.

You have a strange, virtually meaningless, definition of "wrong."

I was almost there myself, so , yeah, I know what I'm talking about. Feel free to judge though.

You mean your girlfriend was about to convert to Christianity out of love?

Moderate Christians are a whole lot less likely to demand their girlfriends convert than a moderate Muslim.

(04-22-2013 10:57 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:47 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/s...ting-islam

Looking at the facts will threaten the 20th C secular world view.

With the breakdown of traditional families, divorce and secularism in Europe and the USA, both young women and men look for stability in anything.
So not surprised they are easy targets for conversion.

Yes, but in this case the cure is worse than the disease.

(04-23-2013 09:10 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:52 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 10:16 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I'd like to see the breakdown between nonmuslim women converting to Islam due to marriage and nonmuslim women converting not related to marriage. Let's be honest, the majority of those converting due to marriage are probably only doing it out of "love". Nothing wrong that, though, if that's the choice they make.

You have a strange, virtually meaningless, definition of "wrong."

I was almost there myself, so , yeah, I know what I'm talking about. Feel free to judge though.

You mean your girlfriend was about to convert to Christianity out of love?

Moderate Christians are a whole lot less likely to demand their girlfriends convert than a moderate Muslim.

Not the point.

What is the point?

Kind of important whether it's "the point" or not.

(04-24-2013 07:28 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Kind of important whether it's "the point" or not.

The please explain to me, what was the point?

(04-23-2013 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:02 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Wonder if there are any combination Polygamist-Muslim cultures.

Hell yes. It is quite common in many Islamic nations. Up to 4 wives is perfectly fine according to the writings of ole Muhammad.

Only if each is treated equally. Actually, all the muslims I've ever encountered only have one wife. So, like lots of things in religious texts, it's written, but not followed.

(04-23-2013 09:10 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:52 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 10:16 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I'd like to see the breakdown between nonmuslim women converting to Islam due to marriage and nonmuslim women converting not related to marriage. Let's be honest, the majority of those converting due to marriage are probably only doing it out of "love". Nothing wrong that, though, if that's the choice they make.

You have a strange, virtually meaningless, definition of "wrong."

I was almost there myself, so , yeah, I know what I'm talking about. Feel free to judge though.

You mean your girlfriend was about to convert to Christianity out of love?

Moderate Christians are a whole lot less likely to demand their girlfriends convert than a moderate Muslim.

Interfaith marriages don't require conversion. That's just another stereotype. For instance, my buddy from college married a muslim girl, neither converted and are still happily married a decade later. Another friend from Brazil married a muslim guy, neither converted or was forced to convert. They are also still married and have a beaurtiful son. Both these couples parents are cool with it as well.

(04-24-2013 09:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:02 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Wonder if there are any combination Polygamist-Muslim cultures.

Hell yes. It is quite common in many Islamic nations. Up to 4 wives is perfectly fine according to the writings of ole Muhammad.

Only if each is treated equally. Actually, all the muslims I've ever encountered only have one wife. So, like lots of things in religious texts, it's written, but not followed.

"The Saudi Embassy in Ottawa, Canada was very frank in acknowledging that it routinely receives request from Saudi men who wish to bring more than one wife into the country. These Saudi men are generally wealthy enough to afford bringing multiple wives to a country outside of Saudi Arabia. They are businessmen, officials or perhaps even a student. But in spite of their wealth, there is a “technical” problem. Polygamy is against the law in many countries, including Canada and most of the 50 United States." -- It's not common in the US because it's illegal here but in much of the Muslim world if you are a man of means you can have up to 4 wives at a time.

It also does happen under teh radar quite often in the UNited States..

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story...d=90857818

Quote:No one knows how many Muslims in the U.S. live in polygamous families. But according to academics researching the issue, estimates range from 50,000 to 100,000 people.

...

Here's how a man gets around the laws: He marries one woman under civil law, and then marries one, two or three others in religious ceremonies that are not recognized by the state. In other cases, men marry women in both America and abroad.

And like all Polygamist the unofficial wives usually collect benefits from the state.

(04-24-2013 09:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  Interfaith marriages don't require conversion. That's just another stereotype. For instance, my buddy from college married a muslim girl, neither converted and are still happily married a decade later. Another friend from Brazil married a muslim guy, neither converted or was forced to convert. They are also still married and have a beaurtiful son. Both these couples parents are cool with it as well.

*I never said required*

(04-24-2013 09:43 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:10 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 07:52 PM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 10:16 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  You have a strange, virtually meaningless, definition of "wrong."

I was almost there myself, so , yeah, I know what I'm talking about. Feel free to judge though.

You mean your girlfriend was about to convert to Christianity out of love?

Moderate Christians are a whole lot less likely to demand their girlfriends convert than a moderate Muslim.

Interfaith marriages don't require conversion. That's just another stereotype. For instance, my buddy from college married a muslim girl, neither converted and are still happily married a decade later. Another friend from Brazil married a muslim guy, neither converted or was forced to convert. They are also still married and have a beaurtiful son. Both these couples parents are cool with it as well.

I am well aware that they don't - I am the product of an interfaith marriage. I do not intend to criticize you personally for your choice of girlfriends or your respect for her and her family. You alluded to conversion by saying you were almost there. I just wanted to highlight the flaw in the viewpoint that Islam is all about tolerance by raising the fact that they would be more than happy to have you convert, but Islam as a whole is intolerant of those that convert from it.

(04-24-2013 09:50 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-24-2013 09:38 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 08:02 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  Wonder if there are any combination Polygamist-Muslim cultures.

Hell yes. It is quite common in many Islamic nations. Up to 4 wives is perfectly fine according to the writings of ole Muhammad.

Only if each is treated equally. Actually, all the muslims I've ever encountered only have one wife. So, like lots of things in religious texts, it's written, but not followed.

"The Saudi Embassy in Ottawa, Canada was very frank in acknowledging that it routinely receives request from Saudi men who wish to bring more than one wife into the country. These Saudi men are generally wealthy enough to afford bringing multiple wives to a country outside of Saudi Arabia. They are businessmen, officials or perhaps even a student. But in spite of their wealth, there is a “technical” problem. Polygamy is against the law in many countries, including Canada and most of the 50 United States." -- It's not common in the US because it's illegal here but in much of the Muslim world if you are a man of means you can have up to 4 wives at a time.

It also does happen under teh radar quite often in the UNited States..

Sure, it happens, just seems to be exception, not the rule, at least in my experience. Now, you are talking about Saudia Arabia. I can see it happening more there. I'm guessing it's country specific.