http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/s...ting-islam

Looking at the facts will threaten the 20th C secular world view.

(04-22-2013 09:47 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/s...ting-islam

Looking at the facts will threaten the 20th C secular world view.

The author doesn't seem to think it's a good idea.

(04-22-2013 09:47 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/s...ting-islam

Looking at the facts will threaten the 20th C secular world view.

With the breakdown of traditional families, divorce and secularism in Europe and the USA, both young women and men look for stability in anything.
So not surprised they are easy targets for conversion.

(04-22-2013 10:31 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 09:47 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  http://www.clarionproject.org/analysis/s...ting-islam

Looking at the facts will threaten the 20th C secular world view.

The author doesn't seem to think it's a good idea.

Yes, the "Clarion Project" is an organization dedicated to rooting out Islamic extremism, so the demographic trend being described in the article is one towards which the author probably has mixed-to-negative feelings.

Be that as it may, the demographic trend is quite real: Muslims are surging as a % of the population in Europe (from <1% in the 1960s to ~10% today, with all data indicating more growth to come), and increasing (albeit a slower rate) in the United States and Canada.

Over the last 20 years or so, I've noticed a strange sort of divergence or dichotomy in the attitude of some secular-minded people towards Muslims. On the one hand (so the thinking goes) the perception of Muslims as "non-Western" and "non-white" grants them an almost absolute presumption of moral superiority. On the other hand, the perception of Muslims as a tribal/religious people who reject secular-liberal concepts of modernity mark them with an almost-equally-absolute presumption of moral inferiority. The result seems to be almost a form of cognitive dissonance for some secular people, although I think the comments by Maher the other day (he was talking to the "Director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University-San Bernardino". Perfection.) gives a preview of where they will eventually come down on the issue.

Ok before anyone jumps in with an example here or there, or before you assume I think *all* people fit a mold settle down.. I believe what I am saying applies to a huge majority of people but not all people.

Here is the problem... Family roles existed *for a reason*! They were not a trap to keep people in their place rather they had come into being because the natures that men and women generally have buried deep down in their psyche. In the past 50 or so years we've decided we can teach the masculinity out of men and as a result have provided women with a mass of males who are unable to satisfy the family role needs of Women.

We have taught little girls to reject what their heart desires, reject the instinct to "need" to nest down with a man because that would make them "weak" in the mind of feminist (fish / bicycle blah blah). As a result we have created a generation of women who, by in large, can not provide a man with what he needs to be happy in marriage.

Men need to be needed and women need to be wanted. Men need a help mate and women desire a strong protector (not talking Rambo, just a strong character man who will work his fingers to the bones to provide).

Each gender has been broken by a post modern attempt to ignore their nature. They suffer and kids suffer.

So when a woman has two choices between men what to do? The limp wristed but sensitive guy or the strong but oppressive guy? No they are not going to flock in droves to the oppressive guy but he will do way better than he should in the vacuum of healthy men.

Those women will likely be sorry. Sooner rather than later. Once the true nature of what they joined becomes clear to them, they may well regret giving in to the sales pitch.

Like the Hotel California, you can check out any time you want. But you can never leave.

One other item that has gone without comment lately that was written about quite a bit even 10 years ago is the conversions to Islam going on in our prisons. They have a captive audience of many who are already angry with the U.S. and anti-social in general. A target rich environment for conversions.

Radicalization, home grown.

Here's a womans view.

a poem for dzhokhar
by Amanda Palmer (some singer I guess)

I'm just going to link it. If you click it, you're responsible for your puking

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Here's a womans view.

a poem for dzhokhar
by Amanda Palmer (some singer I guess)

I'm just going to link it. If you click it, you're responsible for your puking

What the hell was that?

Well, that reactions appropriate too.

There was quite a reaction on twitter to this Amanda and her little poem.

Greg Gutfeld, Twitterers destroy Dzhokhar Tsarnaev empathizer Amanda Palmer

...and the "nice guy" meme continues on. Check out this one.

Awful: Russert tweets 'must-read' about 'beloved' wrestling captain Dzhokhar Tsarnaev

Nice guys don't plant bombs right next to an 8 year old child. EOD.

OMG I am in tears from reading those..

Fled dragging his brother, leaving him quite slaughtered, he got in a boat, hoping to float, alas he forgot all the water

That's some good chit.

John Lee Hooker has better words for dzhokhar

Boom, boom, boom, boom
I'm gonna shoot you right down
Right off your feet

(04-22-2013 04:50 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Those women will likely be sorry. Sooner rather than later. Once the true nature of what they joined becomes clear to them, they may well regret giving in to the sales pitch.

I'd like to see the breakdown between nonmuslim women converting to Islam due to marriage and nonmuslim women converting not related to marriage. Let's be honest, the majority of those converting due to marriage are probably only doing it out of "love". Nothing wrong that, though, if that's the choice they make.

(04-23-2013 09:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 04:50 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Those women will likely be sorry. Sooner rather than later. Once the true nature of what they joined becomes clear to them, they may well regret giving in to the sales pitch.

I'd like to see the breakdown between nonmuslim women converting to Islam due to marriage and nonmuslim women converting not related to marriage. Let's be honest, the majority of those converting due to marriage are probably only doing it out of "love". Nothing wrong that, though, if that's the choice they make.

You have a strange, virtually meaningless, definition of "wrong."

(04-23-2013 09:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I'd like to see the breakdown between nonmuslim women converting to Islam due to marriage and nonmuslim women converting not related to marriage. Let's be honest, the majority of those converting due to marriage are probably only doing it out of "love". Nothing wrong that, though, if that's the choice they make.

You know, that, or like in the case of Tamerlan, because their husband is beating the crap out of her. But, mostly love.

Guess others should treat their women like crap
because that's what they want evidently.

Jim Treacher contributed "a poem for Dzhokhar."

Islam is my faith, Caucasian's my race.
I left some skidmarks on my big brother's face.

Escaping justice? It's not hard
Don't take a boat in someone's yard

Everybody wants to write #apoemfor dzhokhar

I heard this from a friend who is a cop.......

Did you know that the big brother had a nickname? Speedbump.

(04-23-2013 09:31 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(04-22-2013 04:50 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  Those women will likely be sorry. Sooner rather than later. Once the true nature of what they joined becomes clear to them, they may well regret giving in to the sales pitch.

I'd like to see the breakdown between nonmuslim women converting to Islam due to marriage and nonmuslim women converting not related to marriage. Let's be honest, the majority of those converting due to marriage are probably only doing it out of "love". Nothing wrong that, though, if that's the choice they make.

You have a strange, virtually meaningless, definition of "wrong."

I was almost there myself, so , yeah, I know what I'm talking about. Feel free to judge though.

(04-23-2013 09:42 AM)I45owl Wrote:  

(04-23-2013 09:24 AM)VA49er Wrote:  I'd like to see the breakdown between nonmuslim women converting to Islam due to marriage and nonmuslim women converting not related to marriage. Let's be honest, the majority of those converting due to marriage are probably only doing it out of "love". Nothing wrong that, though, if that's the choice they make.

You know, that, or like in the case of Tamerlan, because their husband is beating the crap out of her. But, mostly love.

Again with the generalization. If yo can find proof the majority of women convert due to forced abused by their husbands I'b be glad to side with you.