(04-12-2013 02:58 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 02:53 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 02:47 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Nobody in the ACC wants WVU.

You're wrong. It's mostly the Tobacco Road consortium that doesn't want WVU, UNC in particular. Tobacco Road runs the ACC, and whatever they want is what happens. That's why South Carolina is now in the SEC...

Also, the ACC has turned their nose up at WVU 5 times in total, starting with the founding of the conference in 1953. So you were wrong there too...

It's way more the UNC. Take a visit to any ACC teams forum and see. It's not personal. It's about TV markets. It might be personal for some of them now after all the ridiculous made up rumors that have been spread over the last several months.

Tobacco Road used to run the ACC but that's changing. Having 4 out of 15 votes is a lot smaller than 4 out of 9 votes. It's a great myth to spread though.

I said the ACC turned down WVU at least 3 times. You realize that means 3 or more times and that 5 is greater than 3?

Whatever. I'm glad the ACC didn't want WVU. I would not want to be in another basketball first conference, which is what the ACC has always been. That's why they are #5 among the power 5 conferences in football...

(04-12-2013 03:16 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 02:58 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 02:53 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 02:47 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Nobody in the ACC wants WVU.

You're wrong. It's mostly the Tobacco Road consortium that doesn't want WVU, UNC in particular. Tobacco Road runs the ACC, and whatever they want is what happens. That's why South Carolina is now in the SEC...

Also, the ACC has turned their nose up at WVU 5 times in total, starting with the founding of the conference in 1953. So you were wrong there too...

It's way more the UNC. Take a visit to any ACC teams forum and see. It's not personal. It's about TV markets. It might be personal for some of them now after all the ridiculous made up rumors that have been spread over the last several months.

Tobacco Road used to run the ACC but that's changing. Having 4 out of 15 votes is a lot smaller than 4 out of 9 votes. It's a great myth to spread though.

I said the ACC turned down WVU at least 3 times. You realize that means 3 or more times and that 5 is greater than 3?

Whatever. I'm glad the ACC didn't want WVU. I would not want to be in another basketball first conference, which is what the ACC has always been. That's why they are #5 among the power 5 conferences in football...

To be fair Bit, I think the ACC was #6 out of the 5 power conferences this year. Louisville was still a member of the Big East when they got their BCS victory over the Gators and so I still counted the Big East for this year's results.

(04-12-2013 03:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Texas just decided it didn't want UofL in the Conference so long as WVU was available instead.

Fixed it.

I think it worked out well for UL, WVU, Big 12 and ACC. I always thought WVU had the makeup of a Big 12 school (despite location) and UL was more of an ACC fit (despite academics).

(04-12-2013 11:24 AM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 11:15 AM)PistolChad Wrote:  As the ACC continues to dissolve and starts looking strangely like the Big East (much like the AAC looks like CUSA), Louisville will be back on the phone recruiting Big 12 schools and begging for an invitation.

I don't mean to be offensive if this sounds that way but the Big 12 has Texas and Oklahoma. Other than that they really offer nothing anyone else would want. They are located in hard to reach towns that are difficult and expensive to travel to. The ACC is loaded with good markets, in talent rich states, with good programs. Why would one ever think someone is going to voluntarily leave the ACC to go to the Big 12?

I keep hearing this nonsense. The Big 12 is heavy Southwest Airlines country. So flights are relatively cheap. And have you ever had to get to Tallahassee or Blacksburg? Charlottesville and Clemson aren't right next door to a major airport either. Of the new members, Louisville is owned by Delta and is relatively expensive and Syracuse is not a major airport hub. Nor is South Bend. Boston is easy to get to but very expensive. Miami is a long way from the rest of the conference. Georgia Tech and UNC/Duke/NCSU are relatively easy to get to.

(04-12-2013 03:45 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 03:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Texas just decided it didn't want UofL in the Conference so long as WVU was available instead.

Fixed it.

Pretty true.

Basically, the Big 12 probably had the votes to add Louisville if TV would pay for it. In Chip Brown's article (and other places said the same thing-not clear if it all circles back to Chip's article), TV basically told the Big 12 they would lose money per school if they added any other Big East team. So they stayed at 10.

Note that Forde (OP's article) used to work for the Louisville paper. So you have to understand his background. Noone in the Big 12 has any regrets about adding WVU over Louisville.

(04-12-2013 03:46 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  I think it worked out well for UL, WVU, Big 12 and ACC. I always thought WVU had the makeup of a Big 12 school (despite location) and UL was more of an ACC fit (despite academics).

Of all the leagues that actually exist (or have existed in the last ~15 years), the SEC is the one where WVU would be most at home, with similarly-situated institutions with similar levels of resources and similar priorities. I can see why the SEC chose Mizzou instead, but WVU would've been a great get, and the Big <XII is lucky to have them. But the geography of that set-up is a real headache that won't go away, even if they do add Cincinnati later on (which I doubt they will, but who knows for sure what any of these people will do anymore?)

(04-12-2013 03:45 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 03:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Texas just decided it didn't want UofL in the Conference so long as WVU was available instead.

Fixed it.

The scenario I was speaking of was UofL in addition to WVU not instead of them.

(04-12-2013 03:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 03:45 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 03:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Texas just decided it didn't want UofL in the Conference so long as WVU was available instead.

Fixed it.

Pretty true.

Basically, the Big 12 probably had the votes to add Louisville if TV would pay for it. In Chip Brown's article (and other places said the same thing-not clear if it all circles back to Chip's article), TV basically told the Big 12 they would lose money per school if they added any other Big East team. So they stayed at 10.

Note that Forde (OP's article) used to work for the Louisville paper. So you have to understand his background. Noone in the Big 12 has any regrets about adding WVU over Louisville.

Based on wins and losses, why would they?

I don't think the BigXII regrets taking WVU over UL. I do however think they need to add a couple of schools that give WVU some type of regional partner. WVU is an island right now. I won't even guess which teams would accomplish this and still bring money, or potential to the table for the BigXII.

I happen to like the 10 team model. You get round robin play in every sport every year. That means you play every school in every sport those schools play in conference play. For a school who no longer has rivals, that's perfect for creating new rivalries...

(04-12-2013 04:00 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 03:46 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  I think it worked out well for UL, WVU, Big 12 and ACC. I always thought WVU had the makeup of a Big 12 school (despite location) and UL was more of an ACC fit (despite academics).

Of all the leagues that actually exist (or have existed in the last ~15 years), the SEC is the one where WVU would be most at home, with similarly-situated institutions with similar levels of resources and similar priorities.

Without a doubt WVU is definitely a better fit for the SEC and always thought the Mounties would end up there. That said, I do believe the Big 12 is also a good fit for WVU and I don't think geography is that big of deal.

Most WVU fans really like the Big 12 and thats all that really matters in the End.

(04-12-2013 06:25 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Most WVU fans really like the Big 12 and thats all that really matters in the End.

This

(04-12-2013 04:06 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 03:45 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 03:03 PM)Dasville Wrote:  Texas just decided it didn't want UofL in the Conference so long as WVU was available instead.

Fixed it.

The scenario I was speaking of was UofL in addition to WVU not instead of them.

Point taken. But my premise is that the Big <12 was going to stop at 10 teams anyway, and they concluded that WVU was a more desirable property than UL.

In defense of UL, I'll say that if the Big <12 had not already taken TCU, I think they definitely would've asked WVU and UL to get back to 10. In which case TCU would be preparing for the AAC. And UConn would be getting ready to join the ACC. Funny how life unfolds. Anyway, the bottom-line is that WVU and UL are both huge winners in the realignment sweepstakes.

(04-12-2013 04:08 PM)Dasville Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 03:57 PM)bullet Wrote:  Forde (OP's article) used to work for the Louisville paper. So you have to understand his background. Noone in the Big 12 has any regrets about adding WVU over Louisville.

Based on wins and losses, why would they?

I like Forde. His article after the Pat Summit announcement brought me to tears. But he is dead wrong here. Everyone was reporting that WVU was in and it was a done deal. Then Mitch McConnel came in at the 11th hour and threw the Big 12 an outlandish deal the presidents, Dodds, and the then Big 12 commissioner had to think twice about. I followed that story from its inception and ESPN had reported the same thing, along with every other major outlet I had read up on. Oliver Luck thought the deal was sealed and the Big 12 told him, "wait a minute." Every Mountaineer fan was sweating like a pig because I was on those boards, trolling them after Luck pulled the crap he did on the Big East. Forde is in retrospect after a Cardinal national title. Simple as that.

(04-12-2013 06:25 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Most WVU fans really like the Big 12 and thats all that really matters in the End.

Yep and that's good for them. Best thing they can do for their fan reputation is somehow convince their bloggers to knock it off especially the guy that calls himself The Dude. The more that guy talks the longer people in general will feel the way they feel about WVU fans. Not saying it's right though.

(04-12-2013 07:29 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I like Forde. His article after the Pat Summit announcement brought me to tears. But he is dead wrong here. Everyone was reporting that WVU was in and it was a done deal. Then Mitch McConnel came in at the 11th hour and threw the Big 12 an outlandish deal the presidents, Dodds, and the then Big 12 commissioner had to think twice about. I followed that story from its inception and ESPN had reported the same thing, along with every other major outlet I had read up on. Oliver Luck thought the deal was sealed and the Big 12 told him, "wait a minute." Every Mountaineer fan was sweating like a pig because I was on those boards, trolling them after Luck pulled the crap he did on the Big East. Forde is in retrospect after a Cardinal national title. Simple as that.

Big 12 sources afterwards said McConnell didn't do anything unusual that week. The only histrionics were the nutty W. Virginia senators. The two stories that came out were 1) it related to negotiations with Missouri and they just let the cover story ride (UL vs. WVU); or 2) they were trying to bring in both but TV would only pay for 1.

(04-12-2013 07:29 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I like Forde. His article after the Pat Summit announcement brought me to tears. But he is dead wrong here. Everyone was reporting that WVU was in and it was a done deal. Then Mitch McConnel came in at the 11th hour and threw the Big 12 an outlandish deal the presidents, Dodds, and the then Big 12 commissioner had to think twice about. I followed that story from its inception and ESPN had reported the same thing, along with every other major outlet I had read up on. Oliver Luck thought the deal was sealed and the Big 12 told him, "wait a minute." Every Mountaineer fan was sweating like a pig because I was on those boards, trolling them after Luck pulled the crap he did on the Big East. Forde is in retrospect after a Cardinal national title. Simple as that.

The bolded is wrong. What you've written was the WVU fan's false interpretation of the events. The truth is that the Big 12 schools gave the Big 12 office permission to go get a new school. Some of these schools assumed Louisville would be the pick. The networks then told the Big 12 office that they preferred WVU. The Big 12 then picked WVU but neglected to inform the schools who had assumed it would be Louisville. It caused enough confusion that the Big 12 had to delay the announcement and get everyone on board. There was NO last ditch effort by Louisville in that case.

(04-12-2013 07:41 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 06:25 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Most WVU fans really like the Big 12 and thats all that really matters in the End.

Yep and that's good for them. Best thing they can do for their fan reputation is somehow convince their bloggers to knock it off especially the guy that calls himself The Dude. The more that guy talks the longer people in general will feel the way they feel about WVU fans. Not saying it's right though.

I think it's just ACC and maybe American/BE fans that read message boards that he pissed off. Probably a very low percentage of total fans.