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It still worked out great for UL.

They culturally and geographically fit in the ACC better than any other conference and if they continue to win then they have a good shot at becoming a powerful and influential member of the ACC.

So much for the ideologues that suggest the University of Texas does not rule the Big-12.

"Louisville desperately hoped the Big 12 would consider adding it in addition to West Virginia, as the league's 11th member. Jurich visited Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds in Austin in hopes of winning him over. But the league decided 10 was enough and stood pat."

They dun goofed.

The author doesn't know what the **** he is talking about. It was WVU who had the bid in the bag and UL tried to sweep the bid away by taking less money. I like how people play revisionist history.

I don't think the Big 12 has buyers remorse. WVU will be a good member in all sports and the scheduling is getting easier with a full year to plan around their needs instead of simply handing them Mizzou's schedules due to time-crunch neccessity.

It has been said many times before, but the package of WVU, Louisville, and Cincinnati to make 12 schools would have been perfect.

The Big 12 didn't make a mistake adding WVU, they made a mistake by not also adding UofL. I think Texas is to blame for this and are getting some heat for it. Come next Tue. they will feel some more heat if the SEC announces a scheduling partnership with the ACC along with the introduction of the new SEC Network:

http://outkickthecoverage.com/texas-ams-...-state.php

Quote:The four state SEC pact now has a fifth member that guarantees no additional school will enter their respective state markets.

Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Texas A&M are now members of a one-state SEC pact, meaning the Aggie football future is paved with gold. So long as these five schools stick together, the SEC can't expand without their consent.

This is important to realize because the tectonic plates of realignment have not stopped shifting. The Longhorn Network has not been that lucrative for Texas. Worse, it's been valueless as a branding vehicle. Meanwhile, the Aggies have struck SEC oil. Suddenly that little Aggie brother got rich, and big brother isn't going to be happy. Could we see a future day where the Longhorns realize how dumb their decision not to join the SEC truly was? Yes. (Hell, that day may already be here for many Longhorn fans and administrators not named Deloss Dodds.)

(04-12-2013 10:53 AM)jnewyouth Wrote: [ -> ]It has been said many times before, but the package of WVU, Louisville, and Cincinnati to make 12 schools would have been perfect.

Of course. If the Big 12 doesn't do something to alleviate travel for WV it will be more and more unpleasant for the "Neers.

It's been a great year for Us and no need to look back. We love going to the ACC, would of liked the Big East to have remained a player in the AQ and added new schools with the old line up with WVU but it is what it is.

As the ACC continues to dissolve and starts looking strangely like the Big East (much like the AAC looks like CUSA), Louisville will be back on the phone recruiting Big 12 schools and begging for an invitation.

(04-12-2013 11:04 AM)Dasville Wrote: [ -> ]The Big 12 didn't make a mistake adding WVU, they made a mistake by not also adding UofL. I think Texas is to blame for this and are getting some heat for it. Come next Tue. they will feel some more heat if the SEC announces a scheduling partnership with the ACC along with the introduction of the new SEC Network:

http://outkickthecoverage.com/texas-ams-...-state.php

Quote:The four state SEC pact now has a fifth member that guarantees no additional school will enter their respective state markets.

Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Texas A&M are now members of a one-state SEC pact, meaning the Aggie football future is paved with gold. So long as these five schools stick together, the SEC can't expand without their consent.

This is important to realize because the tectonic plates of realignment have not stopped shifting. The Longhorn Network has not been that lucrative for Texas. Worse, it's been valueless as a branding vehicle. Meanwhile, the Aggies have struck SEC oil. Suddenly that little Aggie brother got rich, and big brother isn't going to be happy. Could we see a future day where the Longhorns realize how dumb their decision not to join the SEC truly was? Yes. (Hell, that day may already be here for many Longhorn fans and administrators not named Deloss Dodds.)

Honestly it wasn't a Texas thing although they and Dodds seem to be a common scapegoat. Most simply assumed UConn would be an ACC callup, that UL would still be there, and that going to 11 and getting paid less was not favorable.

(04-12-2013 11:15 AM)PistolChad Wrote: [ -> ]As the ACC continues to dissolve and starts looking strangely like the Big East (much like the AAC looks like CUSA), Louisville will be back on the phone recruiting Big 12 schools and begging for an invitation.

I don't mean to be offensive if this sounds that way but the Big 12 has Texas and Oklahoma. Other than that they really offer nothing anyone else would want. They are located in hard to reach towns that are difficult and expensive to travel to. The ACC is loaded with good markets, in talent rich states, with good programs. Why would one ever think someone is going to voluntarily leave the ACC to go to the Big 12?

All that travel for WVU is just going to be hard on student-athletes, and that will make it harder for them to compete in the Big 12. Not saying they aren't as good, but when a couple of would-be close wins become close losses due to fatigue, you're going to be hard-pressed to win championships. So while Louisville's loss worked out well, I think WVU's win will work out badly.

(04-12-2013 10:41 AM)RUScarlets Wrote: [ -> ]The author doesn't know what the **** he is talking about. It was WVU who had the bid in the bag and UL tried to sweep the bid away by taking less money. I like how people play revisionist history.

I agree with this. WVU was always in the lead for that spot, and UL attempted to use Mitch McConnell to steal the invite.

I also have a problem with the argument that UL is the far superior athletic program based on one year's results. They are conveniently forgetting the years prior to this year. For the past 8 year period (including 2012), WVU football was ranked in the final AP poll 6 times. Louisville football finished the season ranked 3 times during the same period. WVU basketball is also respectable, making the Final 4 in 2010, and the tournament 6 out of the last 8 seasons.

From the Big 12's perspective, I would call them about even. The ACC would have been better off with West Virginia for travel and rivalries. They should have been in the ACC's initial expansion to 12, in place of Boston College.

(04-12-2013 10:53 AM)jnewyouth Wrote: [ -> ]It has been said many times before, but the package of WVU, Louisville, and Cincinnati to make 12 schools would have been perfect.

Big 12 was better off with Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri.

(04-12-2013 11:04 AM)Dasville Wrote: [ -> ]The Big 12 didn't make a mistake adding WVU, they made a mistake by not also adding UofL. I think Texas is to blame for this and are getting some heat for it. Come next Tue. they will feel some more heat if the SEC announces a scheduling partnership with the ACC along with the introduction of the new SEC Network:

http://outkickthecoverage.com/texas-ams-...-state.php

Quote:The four state SEC pact now has a fifth member that guarantees no additional school will enter their respective state markets.

Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Kentucky, and Texas A&M are now members of a one-state SEC pact, meaning the Aggie football future is paved with gold. So long as these five schools stick together, the SEC can't expand without their consent.

This is important to realize because the tectonic plates of realignment have not stopped shifting. The Longhorn Network has not been that lucrative for Texas. Worse, it's been valueless as a branding vehicle. Meanwhile, the Aggies have struck SEC oil. Suddenly that little Aggie brother got rich, and big brother isn't going to be happy. Could we see a future day where the Longhorns realize how dumb their decision not to join the SEC truly was? Yes. (Hell, that day may already be here for many Longhorn fans and administrators not named Deloss Dodds.)

The SEC is great for TAMU, but UT doesn't want to go there even with the SEC's edge in money and prestige.

I still think that Dodds' idea is to keep the door open for the Horns to have indy football with a "Notre Dame deal" when/if they think the time is right. Whether the next AD (and president) at UT will feel the same way is another question.

(04-12-2013 11:33 AM)CPslograd Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-12-2013 10:53 AM)jnewyouth Wrote: [ -> ]It has been said many times before, but the package of WVU, Louisville, and Cincinnati to make 12 schools would have been perfect.

Big 12 was better off with Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri.

Agreed. That's not the discussion at hand though.

Given the circumstances, it made no sense to add WVU without travel partners. With Louisville and Cincinnati ready and willing, it adds to the stupidity of the Big XII's decision.

(04-12-2013 10:12 AM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote: [ -> ]They dun goofed.

UT didn't want to grow because it could have tied them down long term if they had. At 10 teams placing eight dissolves the Big 12 and frees Texas up. Placing 8 teams is doable, especially with a surviving ACC. Placing 9 or 10 would not be nearly as doable. By Big 12 bylaws a 3/4's vote is required to amend the bylaws and/or to dissolve the conference. That would mean it would take 9 votes in a 12 team conference to do so and if 4 of those are new arrivals who have dreamed of escaping a sinking ship then you won't get 9 votes will you?

The Horns have never really believed that stability could be obtained with additions like Cincinnati and Louisville. They are great schools but not the flagship national brands that the Big 12 needed to reestablish themselves completely. That's why Florida State and Clemson or Miami were the coveted targets. I think they only took T.C.U. and West Virginia to keep their TV contract viable.

It's not that Texas doesn't want the Big 12 to survive, it's that they want to keep all options as open as possible if they need to move. They have already garnered the self imposed anchor of the LHN that inhibits their freedom and ease of movement so they want to make darn sure they don't get hemmed in by another. They and the Sooners would stay and make it work in a heartbeat if they could get those programs with cache. If not they will work the best deal they can get. If the Big 10 took two, the SEC took two and the PAC took 4 they have their freedom to shop.

The question of who would take whom would be viable if the ACC doesn't lose anyone. Kansas and Oklahoma to the Big 10 could be foreseeable, but would the SEC take West Virginia to get into a portion of the area that Virginia Tech might have delivered? Possibly. But who would the SEC take as #2? That's not so certain, but maybe Oklahoma State. That would leave Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas State, and Iowa State to the PAC. Would that be enough for Scott to say yes? I call that one borderline with only Texas as the solid add.

So in my opinion as long as the Big 12 doesn't expand it means that Texas and / or Oklahoma are shopping and looking around. It will be tough for them to get out now. It would be impossible with 2 more additions. And when dealing with Texas one must always be mindful of their totem, the bovine. If there is one thing that nature has proven time and again it's that a cow always covets the grass on the other side of the fence.

I disagree. I think the Big 12 is actually pretty stable. It won't be raiding the ACC, but as long as the top programs are happy there, it will be fine. Texas turned down the PAC-10 to stay (and Oklahoma was told no so went with the Grant of Rights). I know people keep looking for Texas-independence thing, but I've never gotten the impression that's what they want. They want a Texas based conference where they are big. They've never been independent and there's little reason to think they have any desire to try it.