Pat Forde, now with ESPN is a former writer at the Louisville Courier Journal and often supports Louisville athletics no matter when or where he is reporting. So I don't consider his report alarming or true. It may have some good points, but nobody from the Big 12 is saying they would rather have UL than WVU. Did anyone notice no quotes making that statement from league officials? It's quite possible thoughts in the league have gone in that direction, but nobody is making that statement. Meanwhile, I think WVU is going to have a difficult year in football and basketball.

(04-12-2013 07:41 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 06:25 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Most WVU fans really like the Big 12 and thats all that really matters in the End.

Yep and that's good for them. Best thing they can do for their fan reputation is somehow convince their bloggers to knock it off especially the guy that calls himself The Dude. The more that guy talks the longer people in general will feel the way they feel about WVU fans. Not saying it's right though.

That's just plain silly. Do you really believe that what some darn fool blogger posts will change the average college FB fans opinion on a school
I do believe that our fans dubious reputation is an issue and it is being addressed. I saw more security at the games last year than I have ever seen at any other venue.
I'm glad Louisville has found a good fit in the ACC and I can assure you that the vast majority of WVU fans are very happy to be in the B12 despite our crappy play in both major sports last year.

(04-13-2013 12:31 AM)ULdave Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 07:29 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I like Forde. His article after the Pat Summit announcement brought me to tears. But he is dead wrong here. Everyone was reporting that WVU was in and it was a done deal. Then Mitch McConnel came in at the 11th hour and threw the Big 12 an outlandish deal the presidents, Dodds, and the then Big 12 commissioner had to think twice about. I followed that story from its inception and ESPN had reported the same thing, along with every other major outlet I had read up on. Oliver Luck thought the deal was sealed and the Big 12 told him, "wait a minute." Every Mountaineer fan was sweating like a pig because I was on those boards, trolling them after Luck pulled the crap he did on the Big East. Forde is in retrospect after a Cardinal national title. Simple as that.

The bolded is wrong. What you've written was the WVU fan's false interpretation of the events. The truth is that the Big 12 schools gave the Big 12 office permission to go get a new school. Some of these schools assumed Louisville would be the pick. The networks then told the Big 12 office that they preferred WVU. The Big 12 then picked WVU but neglected to inform the schools who had assumed it would be Louisville. It caused enough confusion that the Big 12 had to delay the announcement and get everyone on board. There was NO last ditch effort by Louisville in that case.

That does also sound logical, unlike the WV Senators stories.

(04-13-2013 09:21 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 12:31 AM)ULdave Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 07:29 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  I like Forde. His article after the Pat Summit announcement brought me to tears. But he is dead wrong here. Everyone was reporting that WVU was in and it was a done deal. Then Mitch McConnel came in at the 11th hour and threw the Big 12 an outlandish deal the presidents, Dodds, and the then Big 12 commissioner had to think twice about. I followed that story from its inception and ESPN had reported the same thing, along with every other major outlet I had read up on. Oliver Luck thought the deal was sealed and the Big 12 told him, "wait a minute." Every Mountaineer fan was sweating like a pig because I was on those boards, trolling them after Luck pulled the crap he did on the Big East. Forde is in retrospect after a Cardinal national title. Simple as that.

The bolded is wrong. What you've written was the WVU fan's false interpretation of the events. The truth is that the Big 12 schools gave the Big 12 office permission to go get a new school. Some of these schools assumed Louisville would be the pick. The networks then told the Big 12 office that they preferred WVU. The Big 12 then picked WVU but neglected to inform the schools who had assumed it would be Louisville. It caused enough confusion that the Big 12 had to delay the announcement and get everyone on board. There was NO last ditch effort by Louisville in that case.

That does also sound logical, unlike the WV Senators stories.

it sounds logical that the individual schools had no idea who was being invited?

you really think that the Big 12 office just up and decided without getting the okay from the schools?

(04-12-2013 07:41 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 06:25 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Most WVU fans really like the Big 12 and thats all that really matters in the End.

Yep and that's good for them. Best thing they can do for their fan reputation is somehow convince their bloggers to knock it off especially the guy that calls himself The Dude. The more that guy talks the longer people in general will feel the way they feel about WVU fans. Not saying it's right though.

who outside these message boards have any idea who "The Dude" is?

(04-13-2013 06:11 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 07:41 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 06:25 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Most WVU fans really like the Big 12 and thats all that really matters in the End.

Yep and that's good for them. Best thing they can do for their fan reputation is somehow convince their bloggers to knock it off especially the guy that calls himself The Dude. The more that guy talks the longer people in general will feel the way they feel about WVU fans. Not saying it's right though.

who outside these message boards have any idea who "The Dude" is?

I read about 5 message boards that all repeat his garbage like it's gospel. Then when they realize they've been duped again it's another WVU bash session.

(04-13-2013 07:44 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-13-2013 06:11 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  who outside these message boards have any idea who "The Dude" is?

I read about 5 message boards that all repeat his garbage like it's gospel. Then when they realize they've been duped again it's another WVU bash session.

I can sort of understand that happening once or twice. But at some point (as with Trollgrass here) one has to figure out that another source is simply a troll, or full of sh*t, and ignore them. There's no more reason to dislike WVU because of "The Dude" than to dislike Oklahoma State because of Trollgrass

I think one thing it does all say is that all of the leagues including the Big 12 need to be more careful which schools in the future they chose and why. WVU is not a failure, but to WVU, I think they are looking around for a better fit such as the ACC and SEC or even BIG. I don't see WVU in the Big 12 for the next 15 years. Does anyone??? Moreover, who would have thought in 2010 that Maryland and Rutgers would have been chosen for BIG. Not to take anything away from these programs, but really??? No one is talking about possible adverse effects of the moves with these two teams. Are we already seeing this? Did Rutgers not disclose the info about Coach Rice because they were afraid it would effect the efforts by BIG chose Rutgers? Since the abuse has been going on for a couple of years, one has to understand that talks with BIG and Rutgers were ongoing at that time too. So some effects are already there. How will the two programs be effected when their football teams come in 5th or 6th or last place every year with no bowl? How will basketball be effected if the same thing happens. In Louisville's case and to their credit, they are already there. They have arrived. They can compete tomorrow in the ACC for major sports including women's and men's basketball, soccer both genders, football, softball and baseball by many accounts winning the league (ACC) in these areas.

Do you really think TCU would have been admitted if L'Ville and WV were the true targets and both would have stuck it to the BE like WV did.

(04-13-2013 06:11 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 07:41 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 06:25 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  Most WVU fans really like the Big 12 and thats all that really matters in the End.

Yep and that's good for them. Best thing they can do for their fan reputation is somehow convince their bloggers to knock it off especially the guy that calls himself The Dude. The more that guy talks the longer people in general will feel the way they feel about WVU fans. Not saying it's right though.

who outside these message boards have any idea who "The Dude" is?

The president of Florida State.

(04-12-2013 12:37 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 12:29 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I'm not much of an ACC apologist, but I have to give them credit for the L-ville add. They could have used the whole academic angle in choosing who to add and instead went with the best choice. That being said, they have always used the academic angle against WVU.

I think the Big 12 saw L-ville as expendable really...they can just add Cincy and BYU and call it a day. Why did they really need L-ville?

Hmmm last Monday sez hi.

While they didn't win the title game the Card women against all odds made it to the Title game as well. An epic week for Lville I am sure

(04-12-2013 01:18 PM)Theodoresdaddy Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 12:23 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 10:53 AM)jnewyouth Wrote:  It has been said many times before, but the package of WVU, Louisville, and Cincinnati to make 12 schools would have been perfect.

This....but glad the ACC got Ville and WVU can sit on an island and stew for all I care...as their Internet experts have been total carriers of ACC misinformation and hate.

bitter party of one

You all sure make this folder an interesting read

I think when realignment winds down should West Virginia need to find a new conference home they are going to have some problems landing one.
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WVU is already a MAC member in Soccer and if the OU & OSU wrestling leadership has it's way, the 5 current Big 12 members will be joining the MAC for wrestling.

It's a slow trickling effect, start with men's soccer then it leads to wrestling and then harder sports like Swimming & Diving

it becomes a torrent which ends up with the Mountaineers in the MAC for all sports.

(04-12-2013 03:46 PM)bullet Wrote:  Of the new members, Louisville is owned by Delta and is relatively expensive

Written like some one who has never flown out of SDF. The most expensive flights out of Louisville are Southwest flights. The cheapest are American or US Airways connecting in Dallas, Chicago or Charlotte. You don't take Delta out of Louisville unless its to Atlanta. Anyone that flies out of Louisville knows that.

In the end I believe it's an apples an oranges comparison. Aside from BC and Miami, you can drive to any ACC site in a day. South Bend is 3 hours from Louisville. Louisville is about 6 hours to Blacksburg. You can be in Atlanta in 8 hours out of Louisville and most points in between in less time.

In the ACC Louisville fans will travel by car, as we done now in The Big East. As members of The Big 12 Louisville would have flown everywhere but Iowa State, Kansas State and Kansas.
CJ

(04-15-2013 04:31 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  ... The most expensive flights out of Louisville are Southwest flights. The cheapest are American or US Airways connecting in Dallas, Chicago or Charlotte. You don't take Delta out of Louisville unless its to Atlanta. Anyone that flies out of Louisville knows that.

So even flying, getting to Charlotte gets you to Tobacca Road, and having flown through both Charlotte and Atlanta, makes for a much nicer connection if flying to north or south Florida. And Pitt is 6hrs driving according to Google, and Interstate all the way.

(04-12-2013 04:13 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I don't think the BigXII regrets taking WVU over UL. I do however think they need to add a couple of schools that give WVU some type of regional partner. WVU is an island right now. I won't even guess which teams would accomplish this and still bring money, or potential to the table for the BigXII.

The BIG XII is already talking about it:

"There is additional movement to come in conference realignment. We can't allow what happened to the Big East happen to the Big 12 as far as only having 10 teams. We're happy where we are right now but nobody believes conference realignment is over. But, it is important for us to have eastern partners in the conference.

Those are the WVU athletic director's words, not mine. In his own words, he acknowledges that expansion is coming. I think most of us assumed that much."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/15222...ion-coming

"The Big 12 has left the door open to expansion. The conference has identified several potential future candidates for new teams, according to Jeremy Fowler, including the Florida St. Seminoles, Clemson Tigers and Louisville Cardinals."

Http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ealignment

(04-16-2013 05:10 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(04-12-2013 04:13 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  I don't think the BigXII regrets taking WVU over UL. I do however think they need to add a couple of schools that give WVU some type of regional partner. WVU is an island right now. I won't even guess which teams would accomplish this and still bring money, or potential to the table for the BigXII.

The BIG XII is already talking about it:

"There is additional movement to come in conference realignment. We can't allow what happened to the Big East happen to the Big 12 as far as only having 10 teams. We're happy where we are right now but nobody believes conference realignment is over. But, it is important for us to have eastern partners in the conference.

Those are the WVU athletic director's words, not mine. In his own words, he acknowledges that expansion is coming. I think most of us assumed that much."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/15222...ion-coming

"The Big 12 has left the door open to expansion. The conference has identified several potential future candidates for new teams, according to Jeremy Fowler, including the Florida St. Seminoles, Clemson Tigers and Louisville Cardinals."

Http://www.sbnation.com/college-football...ealignment

A pipedream there...big news coming soon for the ACC

The Big 12 isn't in a position to pluck ACC schools and unless the Big 10 and/or SEC want to expand there won't be any major movement for a good 10-15 years. AAC schools just don't move the needle to warrant an invitation right now.

All WVU fans can do is hope the conference that snubbed them so many times over the years gets raided. Otherwise Hillbilly Island is going to get awful lonely.

The bottom line is Louisville has a historic basketball program far better than anything WVU has ever produced, and would immediately make Big 12 basketball more competitive, which pretty much sucks every year outside of Kansas. Football goes in WVU's favor but it's not like they're a perennial powerhouse program with renowned tradition and a nationwide fanbase. Hell they had over 10k no shows when a top 15 Oklahoma team came to Morgantown, and they only averaged about 8k more fans per game in 2011 when Louisville went 7-6 and WVU won the Orange Bowl. Louisville's been steadily building up its credibility in football and in Olympic sports (including baseball, which is a popular Big 12 sport) and has won more Big East championships since 2005 than anybody not named Notre Dame.

The ACC and Big <12 are approximately equal in terms of overall strength and stability, IMHO.
I doubt that either one will be able to raid the other, **Unless** the SEC/B1G either acts first or seems about to take such an action. In which case, it's a whole new ballgame and nobody can really predict how that would unfold.

(04-16-2013 08:41 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  The Big 12 isn't in a position to pluck ACC schools and unless the Big 10 and/or SEC want to expand there won't be any major movement for a good 10-15 years. AAC schools just don't move the needle to warrant an invitation right now.

(04-16-2013 11:57 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  The ACC and Big <12 are approximately equal in terms of overall strength and stability, IMHO.
I doubt that either one will be able to raid the other, **Unless** the SEC/B1G either acts first or seems about to take such an action. In which case, it's a whole new ballgame and nobody can really predict how that would unfold.

"The Big 12 pointed out in its closed-door, four-hour meeting at the Four Seasons Las Colinas that the Big Ten, should it expand, would likely push for schools already included in the Association of American Universities – in the ACC, that list includes Virginia, UNC, Pitt, Georgia Tech and Duke.

The conference also explained the SEC, should it expand, would likely gravitate toward schools from states where it doesn't have a presence – in the ACC, that includes schools in Virginia (UVA, Virginia Tech) or North Carolina (UNC, Duke, N.C. State, Wake Forest).

Based on that information, the [Big 12] conference identified teams that would be left, including reputable football schools Florida State, Clemson and Louisville."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...-expansion

Notice how B1G, SEC, and BIG XII knows which teams each has targeted in the ACC...