(04-01-2013 03:56 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote: (04-01-2013 03:02 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote: (04-01-2013 02:56 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote: (04-01-2013 12:27 AM)Jedi Master Sipho-Dyas Wrote: (04-01-2013 12:15 AM)BealeStreetTiger Wrote: As long as we play small we’ll never be a good rebounding team. Our guards get more rebounds because there are usually more of them on the floor plus Shaq & Black split minutes instead of playing together.
Wichita State’s bigs may be on the thin side but at least they play more than 1 at a time. They are long, athletic, and usually send 4 to the boards.
We can't sh*t what we don't have. We only have 2 real bigs. One is a freshman and the other is a Jr who doesn't rebound well. We know you think if we just leave Black and Shaq on the floor all the time that we would be a totally different team, but most of us know that both are WAY foul prone and Black has been a serious liability on defense all year.
Well we’ll just have to disagree. I’d rather they foul out than to allow teams to take advantage of us not playing our best real bigs. I’ve seen many teams play decent paint games with players no better than Hall or Stan. I can’t see either being any worse rebounding and who knows, they may be better. Hall gave decent minutes last year and started at the beginning of this season. Now all of a sudden he only gets a minute or two or nothing at all?
For 3 years now I’ve been pointing out our biggest problem is the frontcourt. I gave Niles & Coleman a pass. Our recruits are fine but IMO we still need another true big.
Everyone has known for 3 years that we need more bigs. Nothing has changed and we still need another. This is not front page news or a new story, everyone has known this all along.
Your perspective is not as unique as you are thinking it is.
I think you are misunderstanding what other poster think about it.
I’m not misunderstanding what was typed in black & white. I also know there are some here who agree with my perspective on the subject.
After we missed on all our real bigs other than Shaq there were posters here and elsewhere saying we’ll be fine. Some were even saying we didn’t need another big and should save a scholarship to avoid issues like with Stokes. There was even a thread posted here a few weeks ago titled Playing Small where some thinks we play much better with mainly guards and Shaq & Black on the bench.
http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=624045
There are many more threads on here where some have implied they like the smaller lineup much better and most were during our run in CUSA. The only reason for the change by some now is they just saw what happens when you use a small frontcourt against a good big one.
I agree with BealStreetTiger on almost everything he posts on this subject.
I would like to summarize a couple of posts I made months ago.
I made the case that in addition that playing more size in the post would help our rebounding, that our guards didn't know how to make a post pass into the low block. They consistently pull the post player off the block or throw the ball at the post players ankles. Black isn't mobile enough to regain position without losing the ball. The most consistent low post passer is Goodwin from the high post area. I know this is a tangent to what we have been discussing, but it is related. I think it would be a good exercise to have our guards post up and then throw the ball off the block, off course they are more agile so no lights would probably click on?
As it currently sits our team is set up where the sole post player is there to rebound and give the ball back to the guards so they can drive to the basket or throw up a three point shot. I think the guards are taking the easy road out that throwing up a lot of 3's but that is just me. A three attempt results in a long rebound that usually rebounds all the way out past our bigs.
We need a more rounded offense to get the big integrated into the flow and used to passing back out or to another big.
It looks like we are set up for another year of mostly a 4 out 1 in setup. Either Goodwin or Black (if we have him) at the sole post spot and Nichols at the roaming 4 spot. This is where we have been for a while even with Cal. It only really works when you have a Dorsey (who is content to rebound and only take dunks) along with an athletic 4 who can also hit from the outside.
The problem with this is sometimes the shots don't fall and you have to go inside, either by driving in (which it appears our guards are sometimes afraid to do) or feeding the post.
On rebounding you have to have at least two people who can block out, if you don't it just becomes are wrestling match for your lone post player with an opposing teams big with at least half the court open since they free of your lone post players' backside.
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