How is posting on the C7 board considered posting on the "nBE" board? They are two separate boards.

(03-09-2013 09:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the money that Navy would get in the new conference from the BCS is going to be MUCH bigger than what they would get as an indy. I think indy gets about 100k per school it was(might be a smidge higher but nothing over 500k. The lowest G5 conference will make at least 12-15 million dollars- which for the new conference would be at least 1 million per school.

Didn't the indy's (other than Notre Dame) give a bump up also? 100k to either 300 or 500k?
It is a great point but the playoff $$ in a 12 teams A-12 may not be enough to offset their FB amount. (I'm guessing @ 70% of TV $$ = $1 million) If Navy get $2.5 million from TV plus 500K for playoff $$ that would be around $3 million for their current status vs. $2 million (TV + playoff $) being in the A12 league.

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

Wow! just Wow! 1,000 KFC ticket giveaway out of 36,000 total attendance? I bet they are really going to have to get a lot of KFC tickets for that Oklahoma St. game this fall!
By the way, the novelty isn't wearing off down here, it is growing and sorry to say UTSA is going to have another banner year of attendance. This city really supports this team.

(03-11-2013 10:38 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

Wow! just Wow! 1,000 KFC ticket giveaway out of 36,000 total attendance? I bet they are really going to have to get a lot of KFC tickets for that Oklahoma St. game this fall!
By the way, the novelty isn't wearing off down here, it is growing and sorry to say UTSA is going to have another banner year of attendance. This city really supports this team.

Nbe fans are frustrated. And venting....

(03-11-2013 10:34 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 09:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  the money that Navy would get in the new conference from the BCS is going to be MUCH bigger than what they would get as an indy. I think indy gets about 100k per school it was(might be a smidge higher but nothing over 500k. The lowest G5 conference will make at least 12-15 million dollars- which for the new conference would be at least 1 million per school.

Didn't the indy's (other than Notre Dame) give a bump up also? 100k to either 300 or 500k?
It is a great point but the playoff $$ in a 12 teams A-12 may not be enough to offset their FB amount. (I'm guessing @ 70% of TV $$ = $1 million) If Navy get $2.5 million from TV plus 500K for playoff $$ that would be around $3 million for their current status vs. $2 million (TV + playoff $) being in the A12 league.

The thing is, the A12 will be probably getting at least 20 million of that fb playoff money- if not more- closer to 25 million. So 70% of 1.8 million is roughly 1.25 million. add to that 2 million for the fb playoff money- it's 3.25 million for the A12. in the old situation- 2.5 tv money but then only I think it was either 200k or 300 k now. so 2.7-2.8 million total in the old situation. Plus, the schedule will have some closer teams- I'd expect when Navy hosts Temple or ECU they would get a great crowd coming in(especially for ECU).

(03-11-2013 10:42 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 10:38 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

Wow! just Wow! 1,000 KFC ticket giveaway out of 36,000 total attendance? I bet they are really going to have to get a lot of KFC tickets for that Oklahoma St. game this fall!
By the way, the novelty isn't wearing off down here, it is growing and sorry to say UTSA is going to have another banner year of attendance. This city really supports this team.

Nbe fans are frustrated. And venting....

No, actually that is you...you're the one that is still angry over the "Banners"...fact is this, Houston, SMU, Memphis, ECU & UCF left Tulsa stuck with Sunbelt Schools and FCS Call ups.

The C-USA is going to lose the Liberty Bowl, it basketball took a major hit and it will never recover the loss of Liberty Bowl Revenue or the Basketball Credits that it got from Memphis.

That is why when it is all said and done Tulsa will end up with it former conference mates if/when you get the invite to the Aresco-12.

(03-11-2013 10:38 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

Wow! just Wow! 1,000 KFC ticket giveaway out of 36,000 total attendance? I bet they are really going to have to get a lot of KFC tickets for that Oklahoma St. game this fall!
By the way, the novelty isn't wearing off down here, it is growing and sorry to say UTSA is going to have another banner year of attendance. This city really supports this team.

If that's really the case, then great! Good for you guys - It will be good for C-USA to have another team with good attendance.

(03-11-2013 10:42 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 10:38 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

Wow! just Wow! 1,000 KFC ticket giveaway out of 36,000 total attendance? I bet they are really going to have to get a lot of KFC tickets for that Oklahoma St. game this fall!
By the way, the novelty isn't wearing off down here, it is growing and sorry to say UTSA is going to have another banner year of attendance. This city really supports this team.

Nbe fans are frustrated. And venting....

Since you have so much disdain for the University of Tulsa, why don't you just stop supporting Tulsa and pick a different team from C-USA (or just all C-USA in general) and follow them from now on? Or you could just go switch over and be an OU fan... there are plenty of those who would love to have you aboard.

(03-09-2013 07:13 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 07:09 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  If Navy already makes 2.5 million from the Army-Navy game, why would they join the America-12 for less than 2 million (assuming they would lose the rights to the game)?

If they join, it's because they believe that scheduling will become impossible as an independent.

Methinks Navy and Army will always find opponents, even as independents.

Why would navy lose rights to the Army game? Its neutral site, and its one of CBS's crown jewels. I dont think CBS will care any about them being in a conference, and not even the biggest pessemist can believe that Aresco is dumb enough to revoke their right to keep a separate contract for that one game. They can make the 2.5 mil from that national tradition, plus share in the conference tv pool. Having that game remain on CBS OTA each year only helps the conference.

(03-11-2013 11:33 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 10:42 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 10:38 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

Wow! just Wow! 1,000 KFC ticket giveaway out of 36,000 total attendance? I bet they are really going to have to get a lot of KFC tickets for that Oklahoma St. game this fall!
By the way, the novelty isn't wearing off down here, it is growing and sorry to say UTSA is going to have another banner year of attendance. This city really supports this team.

Nbe fans are frustrated. And venting....

No, actually that is you...you're the one that is still angry over the "Banners"...fact is this, Houston, SMU, Memphis, ECU & UCF left Tulsa stuck with Sunbelt Schools and FCS Call ups.

The C-USA is going to lose the Liberty Bowl, it basketball took a major hit and it will never recover the loss of Liberty Bowl Revenue or the Basketball Credits that it got from Memphis.

That is why when it is all said and done Tulsa will end up with it former conference mates if/when you get the invite to the Aresco-12.

I have seen it all before; I have been called all these names before. Following the surprise WAC-16 split, MWC proclaimed itself elite and adopted the motto "Above the clouds." I kept asking the question on MWC board: "If Big 8 with powerhouses Oklahoma and Nebraska and a population base twice the size of MWC footprint feels it cannot survive in today's football world, how can MWC survive? It took a few years, but MWC finally hit the buzz saw of reality and got chewed into pieces.

It turned out the MWC leadership did not read the tv contract it signed and, in a way, that stupidity still haunts today.

It appears that, given today's college sports dollar hungry environment, the pace for Nbe to slide down hill is moving much faster. The downgraded old BE bowls will probably be the last shoe to drop.

There were too many tugs and pulls on the old Be and now Nbe; that tugging and pulling and lack of commonality of purpose still exists today.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

TCU Coach Gary Patterson stated when TCU joined MWC that "if BCS status is not attained, it is a lateral transfer." DItto for Tulsa and Nbe.

(03-11-2013 03:53 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 11:33 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 10:42 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 10:38 AM)MWC Tex Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

Wow! just Wow! 1,000 KFC ticket giveaway out of 36,000 total attendance? I bet they are really going to have to get a lot of KFC tickets for that Oklahoma St. game this fall!
By the way, the novelty isn't wearing off down here, it is growing and sorry to say UTSA is going to have another banner year of attendance. This city really supports this team.

Nbe fans are frustrated. And venting....

No, actually that is you...you're the one that is still angry over the "Banners"...fact is this, Houston, SMU, Memphis, ECU & UCF left Tulsa stuck with Sunbelt Schools and FCS Call ups.

The C-USA is going to lose the Liberty Bowl, it basketball took a major hit and it will never recover the loss of Liberty Bowl Revenue or the Basketball Credits that it got from Memphis.

That is why when it is all said and done Tulsa will end up with it former conference mates if/when you get the invite to the Aresco-12.

I have seen it all before; I have been called all these names before. Following the surprise WAC-16 split, MWC proclaimed itself elite and adopted the motto "Above the clouds." I kept asking the question on MWC board: "If Big 8 with powerhouses Oklahoma and Nebraska and a population base twice the size of MWC footprint feels it cannot survive in today's football world, how can MWC survive? It took a few years, but MWC finally hit the buzz saw of reality and got chewed into pieces.

It turned out the MWC leadership did not read the tv contract it signed and, in a way, that stupidity still haunts today.

It appears that, given today's college sports dollar hungry environment, the pace for Nbe to slide down hill is moving much faster. The downgraded old BE bowls will probably be the last shoe to drop.

There were too many tugs and pulls on the old Be and now Nbe; that tugging and pulling and lack of commonality of purpose still exists today.

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.

TCU Coach Gary Patterson stated when TCU joined MWC that "if BCS status is not attained, it is a lateral transfer." DItto for Tulsa and Nbe.

let's see. How many BCS bowls did MWC have? And how many for CUSA? Yeah, that lateral transfer bull**** is just that- bull****.

(03-10-2013 11:26 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:17 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:15 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  If Navy not coming means no Tulsa, I'm fine with that.

Me too! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And if Navy does not come in, the Nbe/A12 tv contract takes a hit.

It would not surprise me to see all 12 Tulsa football games telecast this fall. What is wrong with that? Plus New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and I hope CUSA can get that bowl started in San Antonio.

Let me repeat that! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I'd love to know what your definition of broke is. Tulsa has the option of these two.
1. The new whatever conference is a shadow of what it once was, consisting of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of CUSA move ups. The TV deal is worth like one-tenth what it would have been and all of the ESPN broadcasts will be weeknights. Oh, and it will loose all its better bowl tie-ins.
2. The reconfigured CUSA which is a shadow of itself and consists of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of WAC/SBC & 1aa move ups. Its tv deal is worth less than C-TBA and it will loose its better bowl tie-ins.

Why would CUSA lose any bowl tie-ins to the America 12, or anyone else, for that matter?

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

What if they continue to improve and start going to bowl games? In San Antonio, they're the only game in town. No NFL or other college football teams to go against. I don't see why attendance would drop off unless they become absolutely dismal in football.

(03-11-2013 04:32 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 11:26 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:17 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:15 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  If Navy not coming means no Tulsa, I'm fine with that.

Me too! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And if Navy does not come in, the Nbe/A12 tv contract takes a hit.

It would not surprise me to see all 12 Tulsa football games telecast this fall. What is wrong with that? Plus New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and I hope CUSA can get that bowl started in San Antonio.

Let me repeat that! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I'd love to know what your definition of broke is. Tulsa has the option of these two.
1. The new whatever conference is a shadow of what it once was, consisting of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of CUSA move ups. The TV deal is worth like one-tenth what it would have been and all of the ESPN broadcasts will be weeknights. Oh, and it will loose all its better bowl tie-ins.
2. The reconfigured CUSA which is a shadow of itself and consists of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of WAC/SBC & 1aa move ups. Its tv deal is worth less than C-TBA and it will loose its better bowl tie-ins.

Why would CUSA lose any bowl tie-ins to the America 12, or anyone else, for that matter?

to get more in line with what the SBC has. Because that's what the conference peer is now.

Being that Boise State and San Diego State already pulled out, Cincinatti and UConn are trying to pull out, Navy is now getting a couple of seriously cold feet, and the TV contract is bad, why would it blow anyone here away if Tulsa or anyone else said "no" to joining the America 12 at this point? Who knows, if Navy decides to stay independent, Tulane and Tulsa may decide to stay in CUSA. Navy may be the most attractive football team left in the America 12. The point I'm trying to make is that the cost of the move may not be worth the reward.

(03-11-2013 04:32 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 11:26 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:17 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:15 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  If Navy not coming means no Tulsa, I'm fine with that.

Me too! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And if Navy does not come in, the Nbe/A12 tv contract takes a hit.

It would not surprise me to see all 12 Tulsa football games telecast this fall. What is wrong with that? Plus New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and I hope CUSA can get that bowl started in San Antonio.

Let me repeat that! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I'd love to know what your definition of broke is. Tulsa has the option of these two.
1. The new whatever conference is a shadow of what it once was, consisting of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of CUSA move ups. The TV deal is worth like one-tenth what it would have been and all of the ESPN broadcasts will be weeknights. Oh, and it will loose all its better bowl tie-ins.
2. The reconfigured CUSA which is a shadow of itself and consists of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of WAC/SBC & 1aa move ups. Its tv deal is worth less than C-TBA and it will loose its better bowl tie-ins.

Why would CUSA lose any bowl tie-ins to the America 12, or anyone else, for that matter?

The same reason the nBE will. Because the Bowls are always looking for an opportunity to upgrade.

(03-11-2013 04:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:32 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 11:26 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:17 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:15 PM)TRest3 Wrote:  If Navy not coming means no Tulsa, I'm fine with that.

Me too! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And if Navy does not come in, the Nbe/A12 tv contract takes a hit.

It would not surprise me to see all 12 Tulsa football games telecast this fall. What is wrong with that? Plus New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and I hope CUSA can get that bowl started in San Antonio.

Let me repeat that! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I'd love to know what your definition of broke is. Tulsa has the option of these two.
1. The new whatever conference is a shadow of what it once was, consisting of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of CUSA move ups. The TV deal is worth like one-tenth what it would have been and all of the ESPN broadcasts will be weeknights. Oh, and it will loose all its better bowl tie-ins.
2. The reconfigured CUSA which is a shadow of itself and consists of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of WAC/SBC & 1aa move ups. Its tv deal is worth less than C-TBA and it will loose its better bowl tie-ins.

Why would CUSA lose any bowl tie-ins to the America 12, or anyone else, for that matter?

to get more in line with what the SBC has. Because that's what the conference peer is now.

I disagree. The schools added to CUSA were asked to join based on merit. They are schools that have outgrown the Sun Belt and who are ready to take their athletic programs to another level. They've proven this based on the successes they've had and in the investments they've made in facilities. The same can be said for the schools that left CUSA to join the America 12. Those schools were ready to move up to play tougher competition and to gain more exposure, but now those schools that made the BE/America 12 more attractive are gone. The TV contract reflects that. CUSA and America 12 are more equal than most of us care to admit. The two conferences will probably be playing one another in bowl games.

(03-11-2013 05:01 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:36 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 04:32 PM)Afflicted Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 11:26 AM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(03-09-2013 06:17 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Me too! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

And if Navy does not come in, the Nbe/A12 tv contract takes a hit.

It would not surprise me to see all 12 Tulsa football games telecast this fall. What is wrong with that? Plus New Year's Day Dallas Bowl, Armed Forces Bowl, and I hope CUSA can get that bowl started in San Antonio.

Let me repeat that! If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

I'd love to know what your definition of broke is. Tulsa has the option of these two.
1. The new whatever conference is a shadow of what it once was, consisting of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of CUSA move ups. The TV deal is worth like one-tenth what it would have been and all of the ESPN broadcasts will be weeknights. Oh, and it will loose all its better bowl tie-ins.
2. The reconfigured CUSA which is a shadow of itself and consists of those who couldn't get out and a bunch of WAC/SBC & 1aa move ups. Its tv deal is worth less than C-TBA and it will loose its better bowl tie-ins.

Why would CUSA lose any bowl tie-ins to the America 12, or anyone else, for that matter?

to get more in line with what the SBC has. Because that's what the conference peer is now.

I disagree. The schools added to CUSA were asked to join based on merit. They are schools that have outgrown the Sun Belt and who are ready to take their athletic programs to another level. They've proven this based on the successes they've had and on investments they've made in facilities. The same can be said for the schools that left CUSA to join the America 12. Those schools were ready to move up to play tougher competition and to gain more exposure, but now those schools that made the BE/America 12 more attractive are gone. The TV contract reflects that. CUSA and America 12 are more equal than most of us care to admit. The two conferences will probably be playing one another in bowl games.

Maybe a few lower level bowl games. Those games are crap made-for-tv-fodder. The key is how many bowls do you need and how many bowls do you lose. CUSA has 14 teams now, which means they need at LEAST one additional bowl--but they are likley losing at least one bowl, maybe more. Ditto Big East, they are now 10 teams rather than 8--so they need at LEAST one additonal bowl--and they are likely to lose 3, and pick up one.

Its going to be ugly. The good news is that the Big 12, SEC, and ACC are still the same size as they were in 2012, so any bowl slots they pick up means they are dumping a bowl slot elsewhere. The Big10 will pick up at least one slot as they got bigger. Hard to see how the Sunbelt doesnt get hurt here.

FWIW--I beleve that ESPN will likely add a couple of bowls due to the increase in the total number of FBS teams.

(03-11-2013 08:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:30 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Last I saw the CUSA exit fee is 500k plus the difference in the tv deal.

Also- the problem for Tulsa if they don't go- they will be in essence the old Sun Belt. That kills the program.

Of course, the only response the A12 will get when they ask Tulsa is where do we sign.....

Another foolish statement, and a statement shared by practically all Nbe/A12 members. CUSA remains a very good conference and the Nbe/A12 will have the unintended consequence of competing for recruits against those newly enhanced schools of ODU, FIU, FAU, La Tech, UNT, and UTSA. TU FB Coach Blankenship has put together another fine recuiting class, all during this Nbe turmoil.

I made many angry evidently with the Liberty Bowl/UCF post but I was trying to make a point. BCS doesn't want anything to do with NonAq teams in bowls.....so look forward to many Nbe/A12 bowl games against CUSA.

Please also remember that TCU and Boise State essentially established their programs in what was regarded as the worst IA football conference at that time, the WAC. Even with provisional BCS status, what has BE members UCF, Cincy, and UConn accomplished? They are 0-3 in BCS bowls and were soundly beaten in all three BCS bowls.

Wow you are a delusional fool. First off the WAC was NEVER NEVER NEVER regarded as the worst FBS conference. Hell most years, the WAC was AHEAD of CUSA and many years challenged the MWC. And, the WAC was better than CUSA THIS YEAR even, even on it's deathbed.

We'll see about the bowls, but don't look for the SEC to want to get out of playing in the Liberty Bowl at all vs the A12. That game is too convienent for too many SEC teams.

There's 3 tiers now...
1- the Big 5
2- A12 and MWC
3- SBC, MAC, and CUSA

1 big reason why A12 and MWC are ahead of the other 3 is basketball. If A12 and MWC were both the new conferences- they'd be getting nearly as much in hoops money yearly as the other 3 COMBINED.

I don't usually get into this arguing bullcrap, but your statement is just far off.

There's two tiers:
1. The Big 5
2. Everyone else

Period. End of story. Sure there are pros and cons that put a little separation between "everyone else". But in the big picture, it's so insignificant, the only ones that care are the fans of the teams in the bottom tier conferences.