(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 06:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  CUSA is not a shadow of itself as claimed above; Nbe/A12 certainly is though.

Nbe also has teams it wouldn't touch a couple years ago. But CUSA did a better job with its additions than Nbe did with its.

Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

Why should they stop? Are San Antonio-area KFCs tired of selling chicken? Because football game tickets are a pretty good reason to go to KFC instead of Whataburger. Is the Alamodome tired of selling beer and hot dogs at UTSA games?

While it would allow for a better way to do all-sport conference.

(03-10-2013 08:37 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:39 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 06:27 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  CUSA is not a shadow of itself as claimed above; Nbe/A12 certainly is though.

Nbe also has teams it wouldn't touch a couple years ago. But CUSA did a better job with its additions than Nbe did with its.

Let me get this straight - according to Tallgrass:

North Texas, ODU, UNCC, F_Us and UTSA are better than Houston, SMU, Memphis, UCF, ECU and Tulsa?

Do you really believe this???

He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

It's funny - you are quick to sift through info to pick out the potential positives for C-USA and its new members and claim them as fact, but are also just as quick to pick out the potential negatives of the Big East and claim them as fact.

I'd be willing to bet that C-USA will not end up as awesome as you're making it seem and that the Big East will not end up in gloom and doom as you're making it seem.

I don't have to sift through anything. All the Nbe/A12 developments (failures) have been distributed via newspapers, ESPN, and the internet world. It is all there for all to see. Given its exaggerated and inflated boistrous claims, the $1.8M tv contract is a permanent indicement of the Nbe/A12 failures.

You guyz can call me every name in the book and have, but that is not going to erase the dismal $1.8M tv contract.

Essentially, TU will pay a $6M exit fee and a $2.5M entry fee to see UConn, Cincy, and Navy leave and TU end up where it started. All this is wasted time, energy, and effort. It will take about 15 years for TU to pay its $8.5M fees via the measley Nbe/A12 tv contract.

Tulsa in Nbe/A12 is a (very expensive) lateral transfer.

Last I saw the CUSA exit fee is 500k plus the difference in the tv deal.

Also- the problem for Tulsa if they don't go- they will be in essence the old Sun Belt. That kills the program.

Of course, the only response the A12 will get when they ask Tulsa is where do we sign.....

(03-10-2013 08:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:52 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:40 PM)billings Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:19 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 07:59 PM)Knightsweat Wrote:  He's a Troll. Ignore him

When you claim you will obtain AQ status, get a humoungous tv football contact but end up with a measley $1.8M, lose Madison Square Garden, and Navy reconsiders, I think your dog won't hunt.

UTSA will match/outdraw Houston, UNT will match/outdraw SMU, La Tech beats BCS teams while Tulane sucks, Middle Tennessee has made a living beating Memphis, and ODU will draw 35,000 while Temple is concerned week nite games will decrease attendance and wipe out the measley Nbe/C12 tv contract. FIU and FAU are projects; but I am glad they were there for CUSA.

Please also remember UConn and Cincy are 0-3 in BCS bowls and got waxed in all three BCS bowls.

As for ALL NonAQ teams, it is beating BCS teams in nonconfernece games that determine status; lose to those teams and your confernce don't make a ding dong.

Nah. But you are right that UTSA will outdraw most of the BE

They very well may - but know one knows yet. It'll be interesting to see how things go when they stop giving away free tickets and their novelty status wears off.

Why should they stop? Are San Antonio-area KFCs tired of selling chicken? Because football game tickets are a pretty good reason to go to KFC instead of Whataburger. Is the Alamodome tired of selling beer and hot dogs at UTSA games?

John, I know you, for some reason, have targeted me. Fine. Everybody should be able to post whatever they want and I have absolutely no problem with that. In fact, that is why I consider the MWC the best board, it never censors. But just out of curiousity, why do you mock Nbe/A12 on C7 board...and deem yourself their defender on this board. Just curious....

(03-11-2013 08:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Last I saw the CUSA exit fee is 500k plus the difference in the tv deal.

Also- the problem for Tulsa if they don't go- they will be in essence the old Sun Belt. That kills the program.

Of course, the only response the A12 will get when they ask Tulsa is where do we sign.....

Another foolish statement, and a statement shared by practically all Nbe/A12 members. CUSA remains a very good conference and the Nbe/A12 will have the unintended consequence of competing for recruits against those newly enhanced schools of ODU, FIU, FAU, La Tech, UNT, and UTSA. TU FB Coach Blankenship has put together another fine recuiting class, all during this Nbe turmoil.

I made many angry evidently with the Liberty Bowl/UCF post but I was trying to make a point. BCS doesn't want anything to do with NonAq teams in bowls.....so look forward to many Nbe/A12 bowl games against CUSA.

Please also remember that TCU and Boise State essentially established their programs in what was regarded as the worst IA football conference at that time, the WAC. Even with provisional BCS status, what has BE members UCF, Cincy, and UConn accomplished? They are 0-3 in BCS bowls and were soundly beaten in all three BCS bowls.

(03-09-2013 07:09 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  If Navy already makes 2.5 million from the Army-Navy game, why would they join the America-12 for less than 2 million (assuming they would lose the rights to the game)?

Might be able to omit that one from the deal. Depends on how the other #'s break out.

(03-11-2013 08:30 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Last I saw the CUSA exit fee is 500k plus the difference in the tv deal.

Also- the problem for Tulsa if they don't go- they will be in essence the old Sun Belt. That kills the program.

Of course, the only response the A12 will get when they ask Tulsa is where do we sign.....

Another foolish statement, and a statement shared by practically all Nbe/A12 members. CUSA remains a very good conference and the Nbe/A12 will have the unintended consequence of competing for recruits against those newly enhanced schools of ODU, FIU, FAU, La Tech, UNT, and UTSA. TU FB Coach Blankenship has put together another fine recuiting class, all during this Nbe turmoil.

I made many angry evidently with the Liberty Bowl/UCF post but I was trying to make a point. BCS doesn't want anything to do with NonAq teams in bowls.....so look forward to many Nbe/A12 bowl games against CUSA.

Please also remember that TCU and Boise State essentially established their programs in what was regarded as the worst IA football conference at that time, the WAC. Even with provisional BCS status, what has BE members UCF, Cincy, and UConn accomplished? They are 0-3 in BCS bowls and were soundly beaten in all three BCS bowls.

Wow you are a delusional fool. First off the WAC was NEVER NEVER NEVER regarded as the worst FBS conference. Hell most years, the WAC was AHEAD of CUSA and many years challenged the MWC. And, the WAC was better than CUSA THIS YEAR even, even on it's deathbed.

We'll see about the bowls, but don't look for the SEC to want to get out of playing in the Liberty Bowl at all vs the A12. That game is too convienent for too many SEC teams.

There's 3 tiers now...
1- the Big 5
2- A12 and MWC
3- SBC, MAC, and CUSA

1 big reason why A12 and MWC are ahead of the other 3 is basketball. If A12 and MWC were both the new conferences- they'd be getting nearly as much in hoops money yearly as the other 3 COMBINED.

(03-11-2013 08:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Wow you are a delusional fool. First off the WAC was NEVER NEVER NEVER regarded as the worst FBS conference. Hell most years, the WAC was AHEAD of CUSA and many years challenged the MWC. And, the WAC was better than CUSA THIS YEAR even, even on it's deathbed.

We'll see about the bowls, but don't look for the SEC to want to get out of playing in the Liberty Bowl at all vs the A12. That game is too convienent for too many SEC teams.

There's 3 tiers now...
1- the Big 5
2- A12 and MWC
3- SBC, MAC, and CUSA

1 big reason why A12 and MWC are ahead of the other 3 is basketball. If A12 and MWC were both the new conferences- they'd be getting nearly as much in hoops money yearly as the other 3 COMBINED.

I agree basketball is the big separating point between the gang of 5 leagues. Both leagues can widen the financial gap between the other 3 through tournament credits, but that's not going to be enough to keep up with the Big 5.

(03-11-2013 08:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Wow you are a delusional fool. First off the WAC was NEVER NEVER NEVER regarded as the worst FBS conference. Hell most years, the WAC was AHEAD of CUSA and many years challenged the MWC. And, the WAC was better than CUSA THIS YEAR even, even on it's deathbed.

We'll see about the bowls, but don't look for the SEC to want to get out of playing in the Liberty Bowl at all vs the A12. That game is too convienent for too many SEC teams.

There's 3 tiers now...
1- the Big 5
2- A12 and MWC
3- SBC, MAC, and CUSA

1 big reason why A12 and MWC are ahead of the other 3 is basketball. If A12 and MWC were both the new conferences- they'd be getting nearly as much in hoops money yearly as the other 3 COMBINED.

I agree basketball is the big separating point between the gang of 5 leagues. Both leagues can widen the financial gap between the other 3 through tournament credits, but that's not going to be enough to keep up with the Big 5.

Folks, we are making progress with all the discussion on this board. It appears Nbe/A12 is willing to concede that MWC is equivalent power to Nbe/A12. Who would have thunk it?

Regarding the WAC, the MWC labeled the left behind WAC schools as "never haves, never wills" including TCU at that time. WAC, desparate for schools to balance out the geography and minimize travel costs, added the derired "truck driving school" of Boise State. The rest is history.

Regarding your comment that last year's WAC was better than CUSA schools, I am in full agreement with your statement....that Memphis, Tulane, SMU, and Houston did not bring to the Nbe/A12 table what was expected. Except for a 6-6 SMU, all were losers.

(03-11-2013 08:18 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Why should they stop? Are San Antonio-area KFCs tired of selling chicken? Because football game tickets are a pretty good reason to go to KFC instead of Whataburger. Is the Alamodome tired of selling beer and hot dogs at UTSA games?

John, I know you, for some reason, have targeted me. Fine. Everybody should be able to post whatever they want and I have absolutely no problem with that. In fact, that is why I consider the MWC the best board, it never censors. But just out of curiousity, why do you mock Nbe/A12 on C7 board...and deem yourself their defender on this board. Just curious....

I mock them when they (or their posters) do something mockable. I defend them when they get criticized inaccurately. For about a year, I preached and gave data on why they weren't getting $5M for football or $10M for all-sports. When SDSU was wavering between the NBE and the MWC, I made my case for why SDSU fit with the "Metro Conference."

Upthread, I gave information why the slate of weeknight games for 2013 A) may not reflect 2014 and onwards, and B) may not be a full picture of 2013. You follow a different method, which seems to be pick your target and throw everything at the wall and hope something sticks. even if the article is outdated or if the data you have doesn't show what you think it shows.

Not sure what that had to do with what I said, which was--don't count on the UTSA/KFC tickets-and-chicken combo deal to stop. It's definitely selling UTSA football tickets, and chances are it's selling chicken.

(03-11-2013 09:53 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Wow you are a delusional fool. First off the WAC was NEVER NEVER NEVER regarded as the worst FBS conference. Hell most years, the WAC was AHEAD of CUSA and many years challenged the MWC. And, the WAC was better than CUSA THIS YEAR even, even on it's deathbed.

We'll see about the bowls, but don't look for the SEC to want to get out of playing in the Liberty Bowl at all vs the A12. That game is too convienent for too many SEC teams.

There's 3 tiers now...
1- the Big 5
2- A12 and MWC
3- SBC, MAC, and CUSA

1 big reason why A12 and MWC are ahead of the other 3 is basketball. If A12 and MWC were both the new conferences- they'd be getting nearly as much in hoops money yearly as the other 3 COMBINED.

I agree basketball is the big separating point between the gang of 5 leagues. Both leagues can widen the financial gap between the other 3 through tournament credits, but that's not going to be enough to keep up with the Big 5.

Folks, we are making progress with all the discussion on this board. It appears Nbe/A12 is willing to concede that MWC is equivalent power to Nbe/A12. Who would have thunk it?

Regarding the WAC, the MWC labeled the left behind WAC schools as "never haves, never wills" including TCU at that time. WAC, desparate for schools to balance out the geography and minimize travel costs, added the derired "truck driving school" of Boise State. The rest is history.

Regarding your comment that last year's WAC was better than CUSA schools, I am in full agreement with your statement....that Memphis, Tulane, SMU, and Houston did not bring to the Nbe/A12 table what was expected. Except for a 6-6 SMU, all were losers.

um- last I checked- UCF and ECU were both winners. You are like a presidential candidate- we need to do fact checks after all of your posts. And the problem with CUSA last year was I don't know 3-9 UTEP at 138, or was it 3-9 UAB at 142, or was it 0-12 Southern Miss at 167. The avg of the 6 departing teams was 95.33. The avg of the 6 remaining teams 114. So who's the losers there bud?

And who gives a **** about what the MWC labeled the WAC. The fact is the WAC was MUCH stronger than CUSA.

(03-11-2013 09:55 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:18 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-10-2013 08:56 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Why should they stop? Are San Antonio-area KFCs tired of selling chicken? Because football game tickets are a pretty good reason to go to KFC instead of Whataburger. Is the Alamodome tired of selling beer and hot dogs at UTSA games?

John, I know you, for some reason, have targeted me. Fine. Everybody should be able to post whatever they want and I have absolutely no problem with that. In fact, that is why I consider the MWC the best board, it never censors. But just out of curiousity, why do you mock Nbe/A12 on C7 board...and deem yourself their defender on this board. Just curious....

I mock them when they (or their posters) do something mockable. I defend them when they get criticized inaccurately. For about a year, I preached and gave data on why they weren't getting $5M for football or $10M for all-sports. When SDSU was wavering between the NBE and the MWC, I made my case for why SDSU fit with the "Metro Conference."

Upthread, I gave information why the slate of weeknight games for 2013 A) may not reflect 2014 and onwards, and B) may not be a full picture of 2013. You follow a different method, which seems to be pick your target and throw everything at the wall and hope something sticks. even if the article is outdated or if the data you have doesn't show what you think it shows.

Not sure what that had to do with what I said, which was--don't count on the UTSA/KFC tickets-and-chicken combo deal to stop. It's definitely selling UTSA football tickets, and chances are it's selling chicken.

Please be advised I also am saying the same things you are saying, but I am more accurate. So don't be critical of me when you are saying the same things as I am saying. This is from the thread you posted on C7 Board mocking Nbe/A12 and your response to Frank the Tank within that thread:

FRANK THE TANK
"Every time that I believe the capacity for denial can't get any greater over there, they set a new standard. The tinfoil hats are out in full force on the TV contract thread there."

JOHNBRAGG (in response to Frank the Tank):
"Which is probably for the best--I expected them to be throwing chairs and jumping off of bridges, metaphorically."

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617863

You and other posters were going on to the Nbe board and giving them crap. I never did that. While I will make any realignment post on this realignment board I feel I want to make, I have never gone on to the Nbe board and mocked them on their own board.

(03-11-2013 08:30 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:09 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Last I saw the CUSA exit fee is 500k plus the difference in the tv deal.

Also- the problem for Tulsa if they don't go- they will be in essence the old Sun Belt. That kills the program.

Of course, the only response the A12 will get when they ask Tulsa is where do we sign.....

Another foolish statement, and a statement shared by practically all Nbe/A12 members. CUSA remains a very good conference

By what standard? It includes a lot of Sun Belt teams, and a number of FCS callups. Not so long ago, the chorus of CUSA posters said that those two things were about as appealing as watching lady sumo wrestler porn.

So what standard are you using to call CUSA a "very good conference"? It's not an FBS power-conference, it's not a good basketball league, it's not hallowed with tradition? Do you have a metric?

Quote:and the Nbe/A12 will have the unintended consequence of competing for recruits against those newly enhanced schools of ODU, FIU, FAU, La Tech, UNT, and UTSA.

The only schools on that list that were "enhanced" were ODU and UTSA. The rest scrambled from one FBS bottom-feeding conference to another.

Very much like the NBE/A12 schools scrambled from one lower-FBS conference to another. At a certain percentage, there's a tipping point and instead of the new schools getting upgraded it's the old schools getting downgraded.

[quote]TU FB Coach Blankenship has put together another fine recuiting class, all during this Nbe turmoil.

In some ways, Tulsa's position hasn't changed--they're the local lower-FBS school for Oklahoma, with maybe some reach into DFW, Arkansas and Kansas for recruiting. CUSA/NBE/New Southwest difference is trivial vs Big XII/lower-FBS.

Quote:I made many angry evidently with the Liberty Bowl/UCF post but I was trying to make a point. BCS doesn't want anything to do with NonAq teams in bowls.....so look forward to many Nbe/A12 bowl games against CUSA.

Do we have a quote from Mike Silve on this, or is it just an observed pattern? Because I expect that each power conference will end up with a bowl (or maybe even two) that they want because only because of geography, that no other power-conference will want. Locations like Detroit, HAwaii, Las Vegas, Washington DC, the old Cotton Bowl which will only be attractive to one power conference. So one 6-6 team from each conference will play a lower-FBS school in a bowl.

The SEC may want Memphis vs the Aresco LEague #1, rather than play yet another ACC or Big 12 school in Washington DC or the old Cotton Bowl.

(Yes, I forgot that CUSA now more-or-less owns the old Cotton Bowl game)

Haven't really followed this board in a while, but several posters here remind me of the Russian "historians" who set about re-writing history after World Word II. Just laughable the way some of you "remember" things over the last six month.

(03-11-2013 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 09:53 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Wow you are a delusional fool. First off the WAC was NEVER NEVER NEVER regarded as the worst FBS conference. Hell most years, the WAC was AHEAD of CUSA and many years challenged the MWC. And, the WAC was better than CUSA THIS YEAR even, even on it's deathbed.

We'll see about the bowls, but don't look for the SEC to want to get out of playing in the Liberty Bowl at all vs the A12. That game is too convienent for too many SEC teams.

There's 3 tiers now...
1- the Big 5
2- A12 and MWC
3- SBC, MAC, and CUSA

1 big reason why A12 and MWC are ahead of the other 3 is basketball. If A12 and MWC were both the new conferences- they'd be getting nearly as much in hoops money yearly as the other 3 COMBINED.

I agree basketball is the big separating point between the gang of 5 leagues. Both leagues can widen the financial gap between the other 3 through tournament credits, but that's not going to be enough to keep up with the Big 5.

Folks, we are making progress with all the discussion on this board. It appears Nbe/A12 is willing to concede that MWC is equivalent power to Nbe/A12. Who would have thunk it?

Regarding the WAC, the MWC labeled the left behind WAC schools as "never haves, never wills" including TCU at that time. WAC, desparate for schools to balance out the geography and minimize travel costs, added the derired "truck driving school" of Boise State. The rest is history.

Regarding your comment that last year's WAC was better than CUSA schools, I am in full agreement with your statement....that Memphis, Tulane, SMU, and Houston did not bring to the Nbe/A12 table what was expected. Except for a 6-6 SMU, all were losers.

um- last I checked- UCF and ECU were both winners. You are like a presidential candidate- we need to do fact checks after all of your posts. And the problem with CUSA last year was I don't know 3-9 UTEP at 138, or was it 3-9 UAB at 142, or was it 0-12 Southern Miss at 167. The avg of the 6 departing teams was 95.33. The avg of the 6 remaining teams 114. So who's the losers there bud?

And who gives a **** about what the MWC labeled the WAC. The fact is the WAC was MUCH stronger than CUSA.

Give up trying to reasonably discuss anything with Trollgrass. Of course he left out ECU and UCF, did you really think he was going to include anything that would hurt his point?

(03-11-2013 10:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Please be advised I also am saying the same things you are saying, but I am more accurate. So don't be critical of me when you are saying the same things as I am saying. This is from the thread you posted on C7 Board mocking Nbe/A12 and your response to Frank the Tank within that thread:

FRANK THE TANK
"Every time that I believe the capacity for denial can't get any greater over there, they set a new standard. The tinfoil hats are out in full force on the TV contract thread there."

JOHNBRAGG (in response to Frank the Tank):
"Which is probably for the best--I expected them to be throwing chairs and jumping off of bridges, metaphorically."

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617863

You and other posters were going on to the Nbe board and giving them crap. I never did that. While I will make any realignment post on this realignment board I feel I want to make, I have never gone on to the Nbe board and mocked them on their own board.

No, I was not going to the NBE board. That thread was on the C-7 board. I forget which disaster that thread was in response to, or that part of the thread, losing Boise or the TV contract.

But I am arguing with Tallgrass. Which means that, cosmically, I lose. So you WIN, Tallgrass. Enjoy.

(03-11-2013 10:13 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 10:05 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 09:53 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:54 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 08:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Wow you are a delusional fool. First off the WAC was NEVER NEVER NEVER regarded as the worst FBS conference. Hell most years, the WAC was AHEAD of CUSA and many years challenged the MWC. And, the WAC was better than CUSA THIS YEAR even, even on it's deathbed.

We'll see about the bowls, but don't look for the SEC to want to get out of playing in the Liberty Bowl at all vs the A12. That game is too convienent for too many SEC teams.

There's 3 tiers now...
1- the Big 5
2- A12 and MWC
3- SBC, MAC, and CUSA

1 big reason why A12 and MWC are ahead of the other 3 is basketball. If A12 and MWC were both the new conferences- they'd be getting nearly as much in hoops money yearly as the other 3 COMBINED.

I agree basketball is the big separating point between the gang of 5 leagues. Both leagues can widen the financial gap between the other 3 through tournament credits, but that's not going to be enough to keep up with the Big 5.

Folks, we are making progress with all the discussion on this board. It appears Nbe/A12 is willing to concede that MWC is equivalent power to Nbe/A12. Who would have thunk it?

Regarding the WAC, the MWC labeled the left behind WAC schools as "never haves, never wills" including TCU at that time. WAC, desparate for schools to balance out the geography and minimize travel costs, added the derired "truck driving school" of Boise State. The rest is history.

Regarding your comment that last year's WAC was better than CUSA schools, I am in full agreement with your statement....that Memphis, Tulane, SMU, and Houston did not bring to the Nbe/A12 table what was expected. Except for a 6-6 SMU, all were losers.

um- last I checked- UCF and ECU were both winners. You are like a presidential candidate- we need to do fact checks after all of your posts. And the problem with CUSA last year was I don't know 3-9 UTEP at 138, or was it 3-9 UAB at 142, or was it 0-12 Southern Miss at 167. The avg of the 6 departing teams was 95.33. The avg of the 6 remaining teams 114. So who's the losers there bud?

And who gives a **** about what the MWC labeled the WAC. The fact is the WAC was MUCH stronger than CUSA.

Give up trying to reasonably discuss anything with Trollgrass. Of course he left out ECU and UCF, did you really think he was going to include anything that would hurt his point?

You're right Bonds! Just can't wait for when Tulsa gets announced and we see how he convulses at the news.

(03-11-2013 10:14 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(03-11-2013 10:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Please be advised I also am saying the same things you are saying, but I am more accurate. So don't be critical of me when you are saying the same things as I am saying. This is from the thread you posted on C7 Board mocking Nbe/A12 and your response to Frank the Tank within that thread:

FRANK THE TANK
"Every time that I believe the capacity for denial can't get any greater over there, they set a new standard. The tinfoil hats are out in full force on the TV contract thread there."

JOHNBRAGG (in response to Frank the Tank):
"Which is probably for the best--I expected them to be throwing chairs and jumping off of bridges, metaphorically."

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=617863

You and other posters were going on to the Nbe board and giving them crap. I never did that. While I will make any realignment post on this realignment board I feel I want to make, I have never gone on to the Nbe board and mocked them on their own board.

No, I was not going to the NBE board. That thread was on the C-7 board. I forget which disaster that thread was in response to, or that part of the thread, losing Boise or the TV contract.

But I am arguing with Tallgrass. Which means that, cosmically, I lose. So you WIN, Tallgrass. Enjoy.

You and others were going to the Nbe board and giving them crap and Nbe fans got angry, hence the title and post by you on C7 board. I never did that on their Nbe board.

Regarding your post and the board, do what you want. That's fine. Post anything you want. But don't criticize me for what you are doing which is essentially the same thing.