(03-01-2013 02:44 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

If that's so, then Benson is really giving the middle finger to NMSU. Supports the theory that NMSU is one of the WAC schools that voted to deny Benson's request for a new contract as WAC commissioner.

If true that the SB is inviting those 3 then they will be at 11 for FB and NMSU would still be a likely choice, I think. And if it turns out that Tulsa does go to the nBE followed by WKU going to C-USA, there would be room for one more to get to 12. First I had heard that JMU was considering the SB.

If GMU and Northeastern or Hofstra both go to the A10, the CAA will take a hit no doubt but I think they will survive. Getting CoC was crucial! That cannot be understated. If the Sunbelt takes App. st and Ga Southern as expected, I could see the CAA and Davidson working out a deal where Davidson gets to bring one or two friends and a true southern division is created.

So assuming GMU and Northeastern/Hofstra leave the CAA would like shoot for

UNCW, CoC, JMU, W&M as the core of a new CAA south with Davidson a partner of their chosing (we will go with Elon)

A true CAA north would finally be able to be created with Towson, Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra/Northeastern, and more AEast schools, lets say Albany and Stony Brook.

This would preserve the football conference and allow the CAA to remain strong in basketball. Will they be a 2 bid every year, of course not, but that is still a competitive basketball league that could be in the mix for an extra bid on a semi regular basis

(03-01-2013 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If GMU and Northeastern or Hofstra both go to the A10, the CAA will take a hit no doubt but I think they will survive. Getting CoC was crucial! That cannot be understated. If the Sunbelt takes App. st and Ga Southern as expected, I could see the CAA and Davidson working out a deal where Davidson gets to bring one or two friends and a true southern division is created.

So assuming GMU and Northeastern/Hofstra leave the CAA would like shoot for

UNCW, CoC, JMU, W&M as the core of a new CAA south with Davidson a partner of their chosing (we will go with Elon)

A true CAA north would finally be able to be created with Towson, Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra/Northeastern, and more AEast schools, lets say Albany and Stony Brook.

This would preserve the football conference and allow the CAA to remain strong in basketball. Will they be a 2 bid every year, of course not, but that is still a competitive basketball league that could be in the mix for an extra bid on a semi regular basis

But assuming George Mason does leave, will the Patriot League start looking better for William & Mary?

(03-01-2013 03:34 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If GMU and Northeastern or Hofstra both go to the A10, the CAA will take a hit no doubt but I think they will survive. Getting CoC was crucial! That cannot be understated. If the Sunbelt takes App. st and Ga Southern as expected, I could see the CAA and Davidson working out a deal where Davidson gets to bring one or two friends and a true southern division is created.

So assuming GMU and Northeastern/Hofstra leave the CAA would like shoot for

UNCW, CoC, JMU, W&M as the core of a new CAA south with Davidson a partner of their chosing (we will go with Elon)

A true CAA north would finally be able to be created with Towson, Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra/Northeastern, and more AEast schools, lets say Albany and Stony Brook.

This would preserve the football conference and allow the CAA to remain strong in basketball. Will they be a 2 bid every year, of course not, but that is still a competitive basketball league that could be in the mix for an extra bid on a semi regular basis

But assuming George Mason does leave, will the Patriot League start looking better for William & Mary?

It very well might, BUT I think if you can land Davidson and they bring along someone like Elon, you can keep W&M in the fold as both schools are very academically oriented. Having JMU stick around too is also a huge plus as is Richmond in the CAA as a football affiliate.

But then even if W&M decides to leave you let Davidson bring along two Socon partners instead of one. Being in a division with W&M would be a big plus for Davidson, but if you cannot offer that you go with the 2nd best option and allow Davidson to pick their partners.

Davidson didn't join last year. What makes you think they up and change their mind? Personally, kind of expect Davidson to the A-10 if invited.

(03-01-2013 03:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:34 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If GMU and Northeastern or Hofstra both go to the A10, the CAA will take a hit no doubt but I think they will survive. Getting CoC was crucial! That cannot be understated. If the Sunbelt takes App. st and Ga Southern as expected, I could see the CAA and Davidson working out a deal where Davidson gets to bring one or two friends and a true southern division is created.

So assuming GMU and Northeastern/Hofstra leave the CAA would like shoot for

UNCW, CoC, JMU, W&M as the core of a new CAA south with Davidson a partner of their chosing (we will go with Elon)

A true CAA north would finally be able to be created with Towson, Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra/Northeastern, and more AEast schools, lets say Albany and Stony Brook.

This would preserve the football conference and allow the CAA to remain strong in basketball. Will they be a 2 bid every year, of course not, but that is still a competitive basketball league that could be in the mix for an extra bid on a semi regular basis

But assuming George Mason does leave, will the Patriot League start looking better for William & Mary?

It very well might, BUT I think if you can land Davidson and they bring along someone like Elon, you can keep W&M in the fold as both schools are very academically oriented. Having JMU stick around too is also a huge plus as is Richmond in the CAA as a football affiliate.

But then even if W&M decides to leave you let Davidson bring along two Socon partners instead of one. Being in a division with W&M would be a big plus for Davidson, but if you cannot offer that you go with the 2nd best option and allow Davidson to pick their partners.

Why would W&M drop their football program to the Patriot? If the CAA goes south then they could take their football to the SoCon.

(03-01-2013 03:41 PM)etsuandpurdue3 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:34 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If GMU and Northeastern or Hofstra both go to the A10, the CAA will take a hit no doubt but I think they will survive. Getting CoC was crucial! That cannot be understated. If the Sunbelt takes App. st and Ga Southern as expected, I could see the CAA and Davidson working out a deal where Davidson gets to bring one or two friends and a true southern division is created.

So assuming GMU and Northeastern/Hofstra leave the CAA would like shoot for

UNCW, CoC, JMU, W&M as the core of a new CAA south with Davidson a partner of their chosing (we will go with Elon)

A true CAA north would finally be able to be created with Towson, Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra/Northeastern, and more AEast schools, lets say Albany and Stony Brook.

This would preserve the football conference and allow the CAA to remain strong in basketball. Will they be a 2 bid every year, of course not, but that is still a competitive basketball league that could be in the mix for an extra bid on a semi regular basis

But assuming George Mason does leave, will the Patriot League start looking better for William & Mary?

It very well might, BUT I think if you can land Davidson and they bring along someone like Elon, you can keep W&M in the fold as both schools are very academically oriented. Having JMU stick around too is also a huge plus as is Richmond in the CAA as a football affiliate.

But then even if W&M decides to leave you let Davidson bring along two Socon partners instead of one. Being in a division with W&M would be a big plus for Davidson, but if you cannot offer that you go with the 2nd best option and allow Davidson to pick their partners.

Why would W&M drop their football program to the Patriot? If the CAA goes south then they could take their football to the SoCon.

I would think at this point, if W&M were to leave the CAA, it would be for the Patriot and not the SoCon

(03-01-2013 09:29 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  W&M will finally make the move to the Patriot.

I hope so, and start making the push towards D1 Men's lax

(03-01-2013 10:26 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  I could also see where Liberty...

Many University Presidents would rather leave than admit Liberty

(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

a cajun fan on the sbc board claims that nmsu will be the 3rd team. fwiw. i don't know if that means they would rather have nmsu (biggest reason being that they're already fbs), or that jmu just decided no thanks, we'll pass.

if we truly do pass on the sbc, we had a chance to align with odu and ud, and we said no. then we had a chance to align with app state and ga southern, and we said no.... despite past comments from our administration about liking to "ally with similar schools". It makes no sense.

(03-01-2013 04:32 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

a cajun fan on the sbc board claims that nmsu will be the 3rd team. fwiw. i don't know if that means they would rather have nmsu (biggest reason being that they're already fbs), or that jmu just decided no thanks, we'll pass.

if we truly do pass on the sbc, we had a chance to align with odu and ud, and we said no. then we had a chance to align with app state and ga southern, and we said no.... despite past comments from our administration about liking to "ally with similar schools". It makes no sense.

If the Sun Belt is at 8 for FB now, why would they add 3 to go to 11? It would seem to me they would want 4 and if WKU leaves then replace them as well to be at 12.

(03-01-2013 04:37 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:32 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

a cajun fan on the sbc board claims that nmsu will be the 3rd team. fwiw. i don't know if that means they would rather have nmsu (biggest reason being that they're already fbs), or that jmu just decided no thanks, we'll pass.

if we truly do pass on the sbc, we had a chance to align with odu and ud, and we said no. then we had a chance to align with app state and ga southern, and we said no.... despite past comments from our administration about liking to "ally with similar schools". It makes no sense.

If the Sun Belt is at 8 for FB now, why would they add 3 to go to 11? It would seem to me they would want 4 and if WKU leaves then replace them as well to be at 12.

the current sbc is at 8 fb members. when wku leaves, they're at 7. 3 new schools (asu, gaso and nmsu) would make it 10. A fourth school would make it an uneven 11. It's add 3 or add 5 and I don't believe adding 5 has even been discussed.

(03-01-2013 03:41 PM)etsuandpurdue3 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:38 PM)solohawks Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:34 PM)Minutemen429 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 03:18 PM)solohawks Wrote:  If GMU and Northeastern or Hofstra both go to the A10, the CAA will take a hit no doubt but I think they will survive. Getting CoC was crucial! That cannot be understated. If the Sunbelt takes App. st and Ga Southern as expected, I could see the CAA and Davidson working out a deal where Davidson gets to bring one or two friends and a true southern division is created.

So assuming GMU and Northeastern/Hofstra leave the CAA would like shoot for

UNCW, CoC, JMU, W&M as the core of a new CAA south with Davidson a partner of their chosing (we will go with Elon)

A true CAA north would finally be able to be created with Towson, Delaware, Drexel, Hofstra/Northeastern, and more AEast schools, lets say Albany and Stony Brook.

This would preserve the football conference and allow the CAA to remain strong in basketball. Will they be a 2 bid every year, of course not, but that is still a competitive basketball league that could be in the mix for an extra bid on a semi regular basis

But assuming George Mason does leave, will the Patriot League start looking better for William & Mary?

It very well might, BUT I think if you can land Davidson and they bring along someone like Elon, you can keep W&M in the fold as both schools are very academically oriented. Having JMU stick around too is also a huge plus as is Richmond in the CAA as a football affiliate.

But then even if W&M decides to leave you let Davidson bring along two Socon partners instead of one. Being in a division with W&M would be a big plus for Davidson, but if you cannot offer that you go with the 2nd best option and allow Davidson to pick their partners.

Why would W&M drop their football program to the Patriot? If the CAA goes south then they could take their football to the SoCon.

Patriot is now full FCS scholly if my memory serves. So they wouldn't be dropping down a level in football.

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(03-01-2013 04:44 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:37 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:32 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

a cajun fan on the sbc board claims that nmsu will be the 3rd team. fwiw. i don't know if that means they would rather have nmsu (biggest reason being that they're already fbs), or that jmu just decided no thanks, we'll pass.

if we truly do pass on the sbc, we had a chance to align with odu and ud, and we said no. then we had a chance to align with app state and ga southern, and we said no.... despite past comments from our administration about liking to "ally with similar schools". It makes no sense.

If the Sun Belt is at 8 for FB now, why would they add 3 to go to 11? It would seem to me they would want 4 and if WKU leaves then replace them as well to be at 12.

the current sbc is at 8 fb members. when wku leaves, they're at 7. 3 new schools (asu, gaso and nmsu) would make it 10. A fourth school would make it an uneven 11. It's add 3 or add 5 and I don't believe adding 5 has even been discussed.

UD/JMU? Maybe just waiting for WKU to make it official?

(03-01-2013 04:54 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:44 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:37 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:32 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

a cajun fan on the sbc board claims that nmsu will be the 3rd team. fwiw. i don't know if that means they would rather have nmsu (biggest reason being that they're already fbs), or that jmu just decided no thanks, we'll pass.

if we truly do pass on the sbc, we had a chance to align with odu and ud, and we said no. then we had a chance to align with app state and ga southern, and we said no.... despite past comments from our administration about liking to "ally with similar schools". It makes no sense.

If the Sun Belt is at 8 for FB now, why would they add 3 to go to 11? It would seem to me they would want 4 and if WKU leaves then replace them as well to be at 12.

the current sbc is at 8 fb members. when wku leaves, they're at 7. 3 new schools (asu, gaso and nmsu) would make it 10. A fourth school would make it an uneven 11. It's add 3 or add 5 and I don't believe adding 5 has even been discussed.

UD/JMU? Maybe just waiting for WKU to make it official?

remember that odu approached jmu and ud about talking to cusa as a group and we both told odu no thanks? it was reported by different members of the media, despite some posters on the zone trying to act like it didn't happen.

I wonder if there was some animosity between the three schools and that is why they turned them down? But then again, JMU was in a transition period, so....

(03-01-2013 03:04 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

It will be interesting to see on Delaware. They could get an all sports invite to the Atlantic 10.

Here is one issue I see with the CAA....will it lose the ability to sponsor a football conference with that sponsorship returning to the Atlantic 10. That could affect conference decisions for UMass.

I am not sure A10 wants to sponsor football.

(03-01-2013 03:41 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Davidson didn't join last year. What makes you think they up and change their mind? Personally, kind of expect Davidson to the A-10 if invited.

Conference realignment is a fluid situation. CoC rejected CAA offers before but just joined last year. If GSU and App leave the SoCon it can really destabilize the conference. And if the CAA offers to take Davidson and 1 or 2 of it's favorite buddies, you may be able to get them on board.

(03-01-2013 04:54 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:44 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:37 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:32 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

a cajun fan on the sbc board claims that nmsu will be the 3rd team. fwiw. i don't know if that means they would rather have nmsu (biggest reason being that they're already fbs), or that jmu just decided no thanks, we'll pass.

if we truly do pass on the sbc, we had a chance to align with odu and ud, and we said no. then we had a chance to align with app state and ga southern, and we said no.... despite past comments from our administration about liking to "ally with similar schools". It makes no sense.

If the Sun Belt is at 8 for FB now, why would they add 3 to go to 11? It would seem to me they would want 4 and if WKU leaves then replace them as well to be at 12.

the current sbc is at 8 fb members. when wku leaves, they're at 7. 3 new schools (asu, gaso and nmsu) would make it 10. A fourth school would make it an uneven 11. It's add 3 or add 5 and I don't believe adding 5 has even been discussed.

UD/JMU? Maybe just waiting for WKU to make it official?

James Madison might bite on the SBC because Georgia State and Appalachian State play there but I doubt Delaware with its academic profile would consider it.

I'm hearing a lot more about Delaware to the MAC over the last 6 months. They could join as the 13th all sport member to balance out divisions with UMass.

(03-01-2013 05:54 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:54 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:44 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:37 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(03-01-2013 04:32 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  a cajun fan on the sbc board claims that nmsu will be the 3rd team. fwiw. i don't know if that means they would rather have nmsu (biggest reason being that they're already fbs), or that jmu just decided no thanks, we'll pass.

if we truly do pass on the sbc, we had a chance to align with odu and ud, and we said no. then we had a chance to align with app state and ga southern, and we said no.... despite past comments from our administration about liking to "ally with similar schools". It makes no sense.

If the Sun Belt is at 8 for FB now, why would they add 3 to go to 11? It would seem to me they would want 4 and if WKU leaves then replace them as well to be at 12.

the current sbc is at 8 fb members. when wku leaves, they're at 7. 3 new schools (asu, gaso and nmsu) would make it 10. A fourth school would make it an uneven 11. It's add 3 or add 5 and I don't believe adding 5 has even been discussed.

UD/JMU? Maybe just waiting for WKU to make it official?

James Madison might bite on the SBC because Georgia State and Appalachian State play there but I doubt Delaware with its academic profile would consider it.

I'm hearing a lot more about Delaware to the MAC over the last 6 months. They could join as the 13th all sport member to balance out divisions with UMass.

With what's going on with the A10 right now, it probably isn't out of the realm of possibility for UMass to just go all sports in the MAC. Add Delaware to the mix and you've got a solid east division.