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I think you are hoping it dissolves so you don't have to go thru what ODU and Ga St did this year...
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(03-01-2013 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are hoping it dissolves so you don't have to go thru what ODU and Ga St did this year...

I am hoping it dissolves because I feel it is inevitable. The conference no longer makes sense for JMU, especially if GMU takes off.
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(03-01-2013 11:01 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are hoping it dissolves so you don't have to go thru what ODU and Ga St did this year...

I am hoping it dissolves because I feel it is inevitable. The conference no longer makes sense for JMU, especially if GMU takes off.

What a joke. So just because you're not in it means the conference has to get wiped out? What a bunch of hooey....
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RE: Death of the CAA
(03-01-2013 11:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:01 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are hoping it dissolves so you don't have to go thru what ODU and Ga St did this year...

I am hoping it dissolves because I feel it is inevitable. The conference no longer makes sense for JMU, especially if GMU takes off.

What a joke. So just because you're not in it means the conference has to get wiped out? What a bunch of hooey....

No....not in the least. I am perfectly aware of JMU's place in the pecking order...and it ain't high.

If GMU goes, I just think it starts a chain reaction. It is my opinion, but it is one shared by a lot of CAA fans. The CAA is not a conference that can survive the defection of 4 schools in 2 years, with 3 of them being VCU/GMU/ODU. Those schools were all "athletic peers" in the state of VA. What is left for JMU, and why wouldn't they seek membership elsewhere?
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(03-01-2013 11:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:01 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are hoping it dissolves so you don't have to go thru what ODU and Ga St did this year...

I am hoping it dissolves because I feel it is inevitable. The conference no longer makes sense for JMU, especially if GMU takes off.

What a joke. So just because you're not in it means the conference has to get wiped out? What a bunch of hooey....

What is your problem today? You aren't happy with the BE name?

I think the CAA will survive but you've honestly have to wonder when a conference already reeling down to 10 members could be taking unforseen hits from the A10, SBC, MAC and whomever. JMU is hardly guaranteed a spot in anything right now.
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(03-01-2013 11:11 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:07 AM)stever20 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:01 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 10:59 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think you are hoping it dissolves so you don't have to go thru what ODU and Ga St did this year...

I am hoping it dissolves because I feel it is inevitable. The conference no longer makes sense for JMU, especially if GMU takes off.

What a joke. So just because you're not in it means the conference has to get wiped out? What a bunch of hooey....

No....not in the least. I am perfectly aware of JMU's place in the pecking order...and it ain't high.

If GMU goes, I just think it starts a chain reaction. It is my opinion, but it is one shared by a lot of CAA fans. The CAA is not a conference that can survive the defection of 4 schools in 2 years, with 3 of them being VCU/GMU/ODU. Those schools were all "athletic peers" in the state of VA. What is left for JMU, and why wouldn't they seek membership elsewhere?

That's fine. Seek membership elsewhere. But to think the CAA would dissolve is crazy. Not when you have Big South schools like Coastal and others that would easily move up. As the WAC has shown- you can survive. It might not look pretty but you can.
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jmu2004,
you seem to forget our administration's love for "monitoring the situation". I'll believe we'll move on to bigger and better things when I see it. although I don't doubt that they're doing things behind the scenes, i believe they'll never pull the trigger for financial reasons.

until I see the press conference saying otherwise, i'll believe we're forever a caa member, even if monmouth and central connecticut state become full time members.
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(03-01-2013 11:51 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  jmu2004,
you seem to forget our administration's love for "monitoring the situation". I'll believe we'll move on to bigger and better things when I see it. although I don't doubt that they're doing things behind the scenes, i believe they'll never pull the trigger for financial reasons.

until I see the press conference saying otherwise, i'll believe we're forever a caa member, even if monmouth and central connecticut state become full time members.

If GMU goes, I think it forces our hand.
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(03-01-2013 12:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:51 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  jmu2004,
you seem to forget our administration's love for "monitoring the situation". I'll believe we'll move on to bigger and better things when I see it. although I don't doubt that they're doing things behind the scenes, i believe they'll never pull the trigger for financial reasons.

until I see the press conference saying otherwise, i'll believe we're forever a caa member, even if monmouth and central connecticut state become full time members.

If GMU goes, I think it forces our hand.

if the loss of vcu, odu, ga state (less of an influence i know) didn't motivate them, I don't know what will. more and more fbs opportunities close and we can't even get a pulse on them sometimes. ud publicly announces they have had fbs discussions, talked to conferences and did a feasibility study. gmu and possibly one other caa team are virtually a lock to leave for the a10 and have been rumored for over a year.

all of this, and we can't even get a peep out of them as to what's their thought process.
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RE: Death of the CAA
(03-01-2013 12:07 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:51 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  jmu2004,
you seem to forget our administration's love for "monitoring the situation". I'll believe we'll move on to bigger and better things when I see it. although I don't doubt that they're doing things behind the scenes, i believe they'll never pull the trigger for financial reasons.

until I see the press conference saying otherwise, i'll believe we're forever a caa member, even if monmouth and central connecticut state become full time members.

If GMU goes, I think it forces our hand.

if the loss of vcu, odu, ga state (less of an influence i know) didn't motivate them, I don't know what will. more and more fbs opportunities close and we can't even get a pulse on them sometimes. ud publicly announces they have had fbs discussions, talked to conferences and did a feasibility study. gmu and possibly one other caa team are virtually a lock to leave for the a10 and have been rumored for over a year.

all of this, and we can't even get a peep out of them as to what's their thought process.

I think JMU (and the CAA) was shocked at how quickly VCU/ODU moved. They thought they had at least another year due to the uncertainty of "higher" conferences. That same uncertainty has screwed both ODU and VCU.
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RE: Death of the CAA
(03-01-2013 12:41 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:07 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:51 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  jmu2004,
you seem to forget our administration's love for "monitoring the situation". I'll believe we'll move on to bigger and better things when I see it. although I don't doubt that they're doing things behind the scenes, i believe they'll never pull the trigger for financial reasons.

until I see the press conference saying otherwise, i'll believe we're forever a caa member, even if monmouth and central connecticut state become full time members.

If GMU goes, I think it forces our hand.

if the loss of vcu, odu, ga state (less of an influence i know) didn't motivate them, I don't know what will. more and more fbs opportunities close and we can't even get a pulse on them sometimes. ud publicly announces they have had fbs discussions, talked to conferences and did a feasibility study. gmu and possibly one other caa team are virtually a lock to leave for the a10 and have been rumored for over a year.

all of this, and we can't even get a peep out of them as to what's their thought process.

I think JMU (and the CAA) was shocked at how quickly VCU/ODU moved. They thought they had at least another year due to the uncertainty of "higher" conferences. That same uncertainty has screwed both ODU and VCU.

ODU is 'screwed'? We're in a much better position than before. Could you imagine if we were stuck in a CAA sans VCU and GMU? Monarch fans would be on suicide watch.
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RE: Death of the CAA
(03-01-2013 12:53 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:41 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:07 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:51 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  jmu2004,
you seem to forget our administration's love for "monitoring the situation". I'll believe we'll move on to bigger and better things when I see it. although I don't doubt that they're doing things behind the scenes, i believe they'll never pull the trigger for financial reasons.

until I see the press conference saying otherwise, i'll believe we're forever a caa member, even if monmouth and central connecticut state become full time members.

If GMU goes, I think it forces our hand.

if the loss of vcu, odu, ga state (less of an influence i know) didn't motivate them, I don't know what will. more and more fbs opportunities close and we can't even get a pulse on them sometimes. ud publicly announces they have had fbs discussions, talked to conferences and did a feasibility study. gmu and possibly one other caa team are virtually a lock to leave for the a10 and have been rumored for over a year.

all of this, and we can't even get a peep out of them as to what's their thought process.

I think JMU (and the CAA) was shocked at how quickly VCU/ODU moved. They thought they had at least another year due to the uncertainty of "higher" conferences. That same uncertainty has screwed both ODU and VCU.

ODU is 'screwed'? We're in a much better position than before. Could you imagine if we were stuck in a CAA sans VCU and GMU? Monarch fans would be on suicide watch.

Yeah, VCU must be hating it but ODU is looking pretty good.
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(03-01-2013 12:53 PM)Blue_Trombone Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:41 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:07 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:51 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  jmu2004,
you seem to forget our administration's love for "monitoring the situation". I'll believe we'll move on to bigger and better things when I see it. although I don't doubt that they're doing things behind the scenes, i believe they'll never pull the trigger for financial reasons.

until I see the press conference saying otherwise, i'll believe we're forever a caa member, even if monmouth and central connecticut state become full time members.

If GMU goes, I think it forces our hand.

if the loss of vcu, odu, ga state (less of an influence i know) didn't motivate them, I don't know what will. more and more fbs opportunities close and we can't even get a pulse on them sometimes. ud publicly announces they have had fbs discussions, talked to conferences and did a feasibility study. gmu and possibly one other caa team are virtually a lock to leave for the a10 and have been rumored for over a year.

all of this, and we can't even get a peep out of them as to what's their thought process.

I think JMU (and the CAA) was shocked at how quickly VCU/ODU moved. They thought they had at least another year due to the uncertainty of "higher" conferences. That same uncertainty has screwed both ODU and VCU.

ODU is 'screwed'? We're in a much better position than before. Could you imagine if we were stuck in a CAA sans VCU and GMU? Monarch fans would be on suicide watch.

ODU lost ECU, their closest CUSA school. That what I meant by screwed..... Now, your closest conference mate is who? UNCC? Marshall? Both are a 6-8 hour bus ride away.

Keep on topic though :-)
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A10 is in worse shape than the CAA. They lost their premier programs including Temple and backfilling with George Mason isnt going to make up for it. They lost their coach to Miami and arent a sure bet to reach their recent lofty standards again.
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(03-01-2013 01:48 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  A10 is in worse shape than the CAA. They lost their premier programs including Temple and backfilling with George Mason isnt going to make up for it. They lost their coach to Miami and arent a sure bet to reach their recent lofty standards again.

Who else is going to take schools from the A10? Do you expect schools like St. Bonaventure would head to the MAAC?

That option has been out there before for the smaller A10 schools but they've always chose to stand pat. What I think is different this time is a realization the Midwest experiment is over therefore it makes sense to double down in its markets with CAA schools.

Maybe that double down entails adding George Mason and Hofstra. Hofstra might make sense with the A10 tournament now at the Barclay's Center. Double down in the NYC market.

Northeastern I'm sure would want back into the AEast at that point. I'm sure the CAA will survive because of the autobid in some capacity but even then its not a fitting conference for a school like James Madison.
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(03-01-2013 12:41 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:07 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:51 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  jmu2004,
you seem to forget our administration's love for "monitoring the situation". I'll believe we'll move on to bigger and better things when I see it. although I don't doubt that they're doing things behind the scenes, i believe they'll never pull the trigger for financial reasons.

until I see the press conference saying otherwise, i'll believe we're forever a caa member, even if monmouth and central connecticut state become full time members.

If GMU goes, I think it forces our hand.

if the loss of vcu, odu, ga state (less of an influence i know) didn't motivate them, I don't know what will. more and more fbs opportunities close and we can't even get a pulse on them sometimes. ud publicly announces they have had fbs discussions, talked to conferences and did a feasibility study. gmu and possibly one other caa team are virtually a lock to leave for the a10 and have been rumored for over a year.

all of this, and we can't even get a peep out of them as to what's their thought process.

I think JMU (and the CAA) was shocked at how quickly VCU/ODU moved. They thought they had at least another year due to the uncertainty of "higher" conferences. That same uncertainty has screwed both ODU and VCU.

Just no. ODU is in a much better place than where it was in the CAA, and what the CAA will be in the future. The decision made sense then, and makes sense now in every way.
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(03-01-2013 02:22 PM)monarchman Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:41 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:07 PM)Dukes09 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 12:00 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  
(03-01-2013 11:51 AM)Dukes09 Wrote:  jmu2004,
you seem to forget our administration's love for "monitoring the situation". I'll believe we'll move on to bigger and better things when I see it. although I don't doubt that they're doing things behind the scenes, i believe they'll never pull the trigger for financial reasons.

until I see the press conference saying otherwise, i'll believe we're forever a caa member, even if monmouth and central connecticut state become full time members.

If GMU goes, I think it forces our hand.

if the loss of vcu, odu, ga state (less of an influence i know) didn't motivate them, I don't know what will. more and more fbs opportunities close and we can't even get a pulse on them sometimes. ud publicly announces they have had fbs discussions, talked to conferences and did a feasibility study. gmu and possibly one other caa team are virtually a lock to leave for the a10 and have been rumored for over a year.

all of this, and we can't even get a peep out of them as to what's their thought process.

I think JMU (and the CAA) was shocked at how quickly VCU/ODU moved. They thought they had at least another year due to the uncertainty of "higher" conferences. That same uncertainty has screwed both ODU and VCU.

Just no. ODU is in a much better place than where it was in the CAA, and what the CAA will be in the future. The decision made sense then, and makes sense now in every way.

not getting into that here. I'm just stating that you thought you were joining a CUSA with ECU (and Tulane, to a lesser extent) and that didn't end up being the case. The Tulsa for WKU swap works in ODU's favor, though.
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JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.
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(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

If that's so, then Benson is really giving the middle finger to NMSU. Supports the theory that NMSU is one of the WAC schools that voted to deny Benson's request for a new contract as WAC commissioner.
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(03-01-2013 02:33 PM)AppfanInCAAland Wrote:  JMU will be joining App State and Georgia Southern in the Sun Belt within three weeks - the question is will Delaware finally pull the trigger on FBS.

It will be interesting to see on Delaware. They could get an all sports invite to the Atlantic 10.

Here is one issue I see with the CAA....will it lose the ability to sponsor a football conference with that sponsorship returning to the Atlantic 10. That could affect conference decisions for UMass.
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