(02-18-2013 03:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:14 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I doubt he comes back. The greatest of all time has nothing to prove.

Bill Russell 11 Rings
Michael Jordan 6 Rings
Nuff said....He isn't and never was the greatest...

And this coming from a Lakers fan.

Jordan was a product of the Media. And he really didn't have a rival in the NBA.

You are a crazy person. He was the most talented player to that point (so as not to even get the Koby and LeBron fans stirred up) and the most dedicated to winning. Was it the NBA Finals or just a Tournament game when he played with the flu and was sweating like a pig and throwing up? He still owned the court! Why in the world would we care that you are a Lakers fan and how would that possibly strengthen your point?

(02-18-2013 03:50 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 03:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:14 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I doubt he comes back. The greatest of all time has nothing to prove.

Bill Russell 11 Rings
Michael Jordan 6 Rings
Nuff said....He isn't and never was the greatest...

And this coming from a Lakers fan.

Jordan was a product of the Media. And he really didn't have a rival in the NBA.

You are a crazy person. He was the most talented player to that point (so as not to even get the Koby and LeBron fans stirred up) and the most dedicated to winning. Was it the NBA Finals or just a Tournament game when he played with the flu and was sweating like a pig and throwing up? He still owned the court! Why in the world would we care that you are a Lakers fan and how would that possibly strengthen your point?

Bill Russell was the most dominant player in NBA history. Does that mean he is the GOAT? Who knows. I would take either of them on my team.

(02-18-2013 03:37 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I am just a few weeks short of being 60 so I can give you insight into being in your 50s and one thing you find real fast is that you lose by natural progression the ability to get pass the aches and pain of a grueling schedule. You also notice the body can't do the things you use to take for granted and it really doesn't matter if you were a superb and highly accomplished physical specimen in your younger years. Most of what MJ is about is his ego and the refusal to accept he has gotten beyond his days of being a pro basketball player. I don't care for him overall so if he wants to come back that is his business but I doubt he is going to be able to contribute as much as his ego makes him think.

One thing Jordan would have going for him is with all the breaks he took is he's actually played less career minutes than some current players like Kobe and never had any major injuries. I don't think he could do 30+ minutes every night but if his time was managed I think he could play 25ish. He was pretty healthy while with the wizards and played a lot of minutes there as a 40 year old so his pain tolorance for that stuff is proabably good. Dont doubt at all you'd have to manage his time though or stuff like sitting out of back to back games.

(02-18-2013 03:49 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  he aint coming back and if he did he couldnt play. Who would he guard? the 2 and 3's would blow past him and the 4's would back his ass down and shoot over him. I have no doubt that he could be effective some way on offense for a minute or two at a time though.

If Jason Kidd can still be a solid defender at age 40 on a top team with a bad back and guarding even smaller quicker players I think Jordan's savy enough he could do enough to get by on that end. His value though would certainly be his mid range offenive game.

(02-18-2013 01:29 PM)VA49er Wrote:  I don't see it happening. Besides, he's part owner of the Bobcats so not sure how that would come into play.

he would play for his team....

(02-18-2013 03:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:14 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I doubt he comes back. The greatest of all time has nothing to prove.

Bill Russell 11 Rings
Michael Jordan 6 Rings
Nuff said....He isn't and never was the greatest...

And this coming from a Lakers fan.

Jordan was a product of the Media. And he really didn't have a rival in the NBA.

Jordan played in the golden era of NBA basketball. He played against and got the better of Bird's Celtics, Johnson's Lakers, Thomas's Pistons, Miller's Pacers, Ewing's Knicks and ect. Look at how many NBA hall of famers were denied Championships at the hands of Jordan and the Bulls. Yes, Russell was dominant in his day but he played against guys who had nowhere near the athleticism, size, and skills that guys had during the Jordan era.

(02-18-2013 03:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:14 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I doubt he comes back. The greatest of all time has nothing to prove.

Bill Russell 11 Rings
Michael Jordan 6 Rings
Nuff said....He isn't and never was the greatest...

And this coming from a Lakers fan.

Jordan was a product of the Media. And he really didn't have a rival in the NBA.

So, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, and Jeff Hosstetler were better quarterbacks than Dan Marino?

After all, they all have a ring.

(02-18-2013 05:40 PM)Smaug Wrote:  So, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, and Jeff Hosstetler were better quarterbacks than Dan Marino?

After all, they all have a ring.

In a league with 8 teams....

(02-18-2013 05:40 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 03:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:14 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I doubt he comes back. The greatest of all time has nothing to prove.

Bill Russell 11 Rings
Michael Jordan 6 Rings
Nuff said....He isn't and never was the greatest...

And this coming from a Lakers fan.

Jordan was a product of the Media. And he really didn't have a rival in the NBA.

So, Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, Brad Johnson, and Jeff Hosstetler were better quarterbacks than Dan Marino?

After all, they all have a ring.

I don't believe in "better." I believe in winners. BYU might not have been the best FB team in 1984. Andre Ware might not have been the best football player in 1990. But in both cases, they are the winner and no one else is. Is Dan Marino a "better" player? I think that's a meaningless question. I don't know if the answer is "no" but it damned sure isn't "yes." The final score is everything. Jordan will always be looking up at Otto Graham IMHO.

I hope he does come back for a season, that would be awesome. If anyone can compete in their 50s it's MJ. He put up 20 points a game and played almost 40 mins/game when he was 40.

(02-18-2013 01:38 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 01:20 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  He's the best. He's earned the right to give it a go. Still, his time with the Wizards left a lot to be desired.

You couldn't expect him to be the best, but he was still a top 25 player in the NBA at 40 years old with the wiz. I think that actually adds to his legacy IMO to still play at a high level. Even if he was a starter at 50 that's impressive to me. The bobcats need a spark. If nothing else if he did play for them he would fill the arena and increase their value.

Is anyone really serious about this...can't read this post, but this seemed the quickest to respond to...he is a control freak...and he is going to be a subordinate? Okay...keep on playing folks...he is going to die a lonely person because he cannot handle NOT being the center of attention anymore....sad.

MJ might can still ball but there is no way he could handle the rigors of a 82 game season at 50.

Prolly got a hold of some PEDs and thinks he can make a come back

(02-18-2013 05:26 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 03:33 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:14 PM)GreenHornet33 Wrote:  I doubt he comes back. The greatest of all time has nothing to prove.

Bill Russell 11 Rings
Michael Jordan 6 Rings
Nuff said....He isn't and never was the greatest...

And this coming from a Lakers fan.

Jordan was a product of the Media. And he really didn't have a rival in the NBA.

Jordan played in the golden era of NBA basketball. He played against and got the better of Bird's Celtics, Johnson's Lakers, Thomas's Pistons, Miller's Pacers, Ewing's Knicks and ect. Look at how many NBA hall of famers were denied Championships at the hands of Jordan and the Bulls. Yes, Russell was dominant in his day but he played against guys who had nowhere near the athleticism, size, and skills that guys had during the Jordan era.

...same as Jim Brown

..but, Jordan couldn't do anything ring wise until he had Pippen and the LSD master....so whatever...could make these comparisons all day

(02-18-2013 06:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  ...same as Jim Brown

..but, Jordan couldn't do anything ring wise until he had Pippen and the LSD master....so whatever...could make these comparisons all day

To be fair, Jordan had to get by the Pistons and the Celtics during those years and they have more "stars" than Chicago did. Once Phil Jackson got to the Bulls and instilled that triangle offense, it helped the Bulls get to where they got to. So it wasn't ALL Jordan but you can't argue Jordan was a big part and he had his trials in the playoffs as well.

(02-18-2013 06:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 06:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  ...same as Jim Brown

..but, Jordan couldn't do anything ring wise until he had Pippen and the LSD master....so whatever...could make these comparisons all day

To be fair, Jordan had to get by the Pistons and the Celtics during those years and they have more "stars" than Chicago did. Once Phil Jackson got to the Bulls and instilled that triangle offense, it helped the Bulls get to where they got to. So it wasn't ALL Jordan but you can't argue Jordan was a big part and he had his trials in the playoffs as well.

No I cannot...and neither can anyone to my point...if you are the best you have to beat the best. A team will always beat the individual...especially in the NBA...Jordan never did it when he was at his individual best and it really took Pippen to relieve his demons...in today's game Jordan gets schooled in his prime by Kobe and Lebron.....really, who the fk is kidd gilwhatever....really...basing off one on one with the owner of the team...nice baseball move by Jordan too....he is top 5 at best...he is really a pos teammate it you do the research.....but you cannot deny what his talent developed into

(02-18-2013 06:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 06:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  ...same as Jim Brown

..but, Jordan couldn't do anything ring wise until he had Pippen and the LSD master....so whatever...could make these comparisons all day

To be fair, Jordan had to get by the Pistons and the Celtics during those years and they have more "stars" than Chicago did. Once Phil Jackson got to the Bulls and instilled that triangle offense, it helped the Bulls get to where they got to. So it wasn't ALL Jordan but you can't argue Jordan was a big part and he had his trials in the playoffs as well.

....even to go further....look at LJ...took DW and the stork to win one...as much as the NBA tries, they cannot make it a one on one game...as it never should be...that's why most people do not care about the NBA

(02-18-2013 06:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 06:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  ...same as Jim Brown

..but, Jordan couldn't do anything ring wise until he had Pippen and the LSD master....so whatever...could make these comparisons all day

To be fair, Jordan had to get by the Pistons and the Celtics during those years and they have more "stars" than Chicago did. Once Phil Jackson got to the Bulls and instilled that triangle offense, it helped the Bulls get to where they got to. So it wasn't ALL Jordan but you can't argue Jordan was a big part and he had his trials in the playoffs as well.

..even further to prove the point....Bird had Parrish and McHale...Magic had Worthy and Kareem....golly, that was the best rivalry ever

bottom line is that Jordan offers nothing now...I mean he is freakin' 50...

(02-18-2013 08:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 06:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 06:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  ...same as Jim Brown

..but, Jordan couldn't do anything ring wise until he had Pippen and the LSD master....so whatever...could make these comparisons all day

To be fair, Jordan had to get by the Pistons and the Celtics during those years and they have more "stars" than Chicago did. Once Phil Jackson got to the Bulls and instilled that triangle offense, it helped the Bulls get to where they got to. So it wasn't ALL Jordan but you can't argue Jordan was a big part and he had his trials in the playoffs as well.

..even further to prove the point....Bird had Parrish and McHale...Magic had Worthy and Kareem....golly, that was the best rivalry ever

bottom line is that Jordan offers nothing now...I mean he is freakin' 50...

The problem with your "point" is that you think we think MJ could dominate on his own. He was the best player, but it wasn't until he had the pieces around him (Mainly Pippen, but also "The Worm" and Keir) that he started to win the league every year.

(02-18-2013 09:04 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 08:59 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 06:58 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 06:46 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  ...same as Jim Brown

..but, Jordan couldn't do anything ring wise until he had Pippen and the LSD master....so whatever...could make these comparisons all day

To be fair, Jordan had to get by the Pistons and the Celtics during those years and they have more "stars" than Chicago did. Once Phil Jackson got to the Bulls and instilled that triangle offense, it helped the Bulls get to where they got to. So it wasn't ALL Jordan but you can't argue Jordan was a big part and he had his trials in the playoffs as well.

..even further to prove the point....Bird had Parrish and McHale...Magic had Worthy and Kareem....golly, that was the best rivalry ever

bottom line is that Jordan offers nothing now...I mean he is freakin' 50...

The problem with your "point" is that you think we think MJ could dominate on his own. He was the best player, but it wasn't until he had the pieces around him (Mainly Pippen, but also "The Worm" and Keir) that he started to win the league every year.

No...point is back then that was true...and he was the best then....that is why he cannot be the submissive....HE IS 50 and will still expect to be the leader and those around him will fold under his totalitarian reign...can I make it any more clear


...to be honest, he is destroying his legacy with this....the poor guy can't be alone, can't deal with being an owner, and can't deal with the spotlight not being on him....IMO he really needs help....he is as much of an egotistical narcissist as I have witnessed in my lifetime