(02-05-2013 08:30 AM)#41 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 07:59 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think a major issue is that the local media never adapted to UC's move to the Big East, particularly the rise of the Bearcat football program and the interest in said program. In markets like ours, cities with a mix of professional sports and collegiate sports, they have separate on-air talent/journalist (for paper) that are focused soley on college sports. Pittsburgh is an example of such a town. The Clear Channel Affiliates in Pittsburgh have programming on air that is dedicated to Pitt and college athletics. Former Pitt QB Pat Bostick has a 2 hour program to talk college sports. This is despite the fact it is a city obcessed with their Steelers, Penguins and Pirates and that shares the college sports pie with Penn State, WVU and OSU.

I pointed this out in the other thread -- the issue is twofold: ratings and sponsorship.

If you had a sponsor who was willing to put up the cash to be the feature sponsor for a 2 hours of college sports talk daily, the show would be on the air. Or, conversely, if the ratings projections and market research said 2 hours of college sports talk would draw a number big enough to attract general sponsorship dollars, the show would be on the air.

I get that "blame the media" is an easy refrain on this board, but the media is a profit-seeking entity. The reason something DOESN'T happen in the media is usually the exact same reason something does happen: because the money dictates it.

true #41 but i will temper this a bit by saying that if the media constantly slams UC and says there is no interest (clealry there IS interest for UC football) then would be sponsors can get "spooked" and are afraid to put up money for a program like this thinking nobody will listen. So vicious cycle is started....

I think we should just start writing him telling him his programs don't mention UC enough and the overall show sucks. I've written him in the past and his response has always been, "then don't listen" just as he noted above to Soloman T. By the way, good stuff by ST.

(02-05-2013 08:34 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(02-05-2013 08:30 AM)#41 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 07:59 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:  I think a major issue is that the local media never adapted to UC's move to the Big East, particularly the rise of the Bearcat football program and the interest in said program. In markets like ours, cities with a mix of professional sports and collegiate sports, they have separate on-air talent/journalist (for paper) that are focused soley on college sports. Pittsburgh is an example of such a town. The Clear Channel Affiliates in Pittsburgh have programming on air that is dedicated to Pitt and college athletics. Former Pitt QB Pat Bostick has a 2 hour program to talk college sports. This is despite the fact it is a city obcessed with their Steelers, Penguins and Pirates and that shares the college sports pie with Penn State, WVU and OSU.

I pointed this out in the other thread -- the issue is twofold: ratings and sponsorship.

If you had a sponsor who was willing to put up the cash to be the feature sponsor for a 2 hours of college sports talk daily, the show would be on the air. Or, conversely, if the ratings projections and market research said 2 hours of college sports talk would draw a number big enough to attract general sponsorship dollars, the show would be on the air.

I get that "blame the media" is an easy refrain on this board, but the media is a profit-seeking entity. The reason something DOESN'T happen in the media is usually the exact same reason something does happen: because the money dictates it.

true #41 but i will temper this a bit by saying that if the media constantly slams UC and says there is no interest (clealry there IS interest for UC football) then would be sponsors can get "spooked" and are afraid to put up money for a program like this thinking nobody will listen. So vicious cycle is started....

Great point. How is SLAMMING on UC making a profit? If you don't think UC makes for a profitable radio station, just ignore them altogether. No need for this unprofessional BS.

People make mistakes and it takes a big person to recognize and admit them. Regardless of how people feel about Lance, he deserves credit for apologizing and then posting the following on his espn1530 blog:

"I try to respond to twitter comments/questions directed to me as often as possible.
I had an exchange over the weekend that I regret. I answered a question in a snarky and rude manner. My response bothered me for two days. Questions and comments directed to me deserves a respectful answer. I apologized to the individual, and he in turn, accepted the apology."

(02-05-2013 04:42 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  People make mistakes and it takes a big person to recognize and admit them. Regardless of how people feel about Lance, he deserves credit for apologizing and then posting the following on his espn1530 blog:

"I try to respond to twitter comments/questions directed to me as often as possible.
I had an exchange over the weekend that I regret. I answered a question in a snarky and rude manner. My response bothered me for two days. Questions and comments directed to me deserves a respectful answer. I apologized to the individual, and he in turn, accepted the apology."

you think lance apologized on his own???? it "bothered him for two days?"...what probably happened was after acting like a jerk off on saturday, his boss called him in monday (2 days later) and told him fix it or find another job and dont let it happen again....

(02-05-2013 05:03 PM)@ES Trader Wrote:  

(02-05-2013 04:42 PM)bearcatdp Wrote:  People make mistakes and it takes a big person to recognize and admit them. Regardless of how people feel about Lance, he deserves credit for apologizing and then posting the following on his espn1530 blog:

"I try to respond to twitter comments/questions directed to me as often as possible.
I had an exchange over the weekend that I regret. I answered a question in a snarky and rude manner. My response bothered me for two days. Questions and comments directed to me deserves a respectful answer. I apologized to the individual, and he in turn, accepted the apology."

you think lance apologized on his own???? it "bothered him for two days?"...what probably happened was after acting like a jerk off on saturday, his boss called him in monday (2 days later) and told him fix it or find another job and dont let it happen again....

He only apologized after it made ESPN's blog site and went national, what an a-hole.

Just wondering, has Lance even answered the point of Soloman's tweet yet? you know:

"@lancemcalister just seems like every time I look up I see a RT of you that always makes UC look inferior. Just an opinion."

Lance never really did provide an explanation of why he acts that way, which is really what Tentman was seeking to begin with.

(02-05-2013 06:14 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  Just wondering, has Lance even answered the point of Soloman's tweet yet? you know:

"@lancemcalister just seems like every time I look up I see a RT of you that always makes UC look inferior. Just an opinion."

Lance never really did provide an explanation of why he acts that way, which is really what Tentman was seeking to begin with.

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He may have apologized for his attitude, which I for one can accept and appreciate. But, he still hasn't addressed the original accusation, which has been shared by many.

Maybe people should RT Tentman's Tweet. I'm not on twitter but it would be cool to see multiple people push the issue back on Lance.

I don't think Lance is a deviant person. I give him the benefit of the doubt here. If he says he is sorry, I believe it. It doesn't mean Tentman isn't right though. This question should be asked of all of the local media. Why is it that the only time the Cincinnati media decides to report a positive and a negative (within the same story) is when the Bearcats do something good? I.E. Starting every story with the attendance or finishing every Tuberville story with"he will probably leave in 3 years". I don't want total homers but why is it that the local "reporters" cite their audience when they don't talk about the Bearcats and they totally forget their audience when they do. Beat up on the jerk who is taking the taxpayers money to put a "competitive" team on the field. Praise the one that overachieves.

Hallelujah...holy sch!t...where's the Tylenol.

(02-03-2013 07:59 PM)True Bearcat Wrote:  Maybe Lance hates UC so much because he failed to get accepted?

Compared to Butler? LOL.

Lance is a guy who just Tweets, talks, and rants about things that will get him listeners. He loves strawmen. He's good at it. I don't believe he even believes half the things he says.

As for Tentman: Who?

Man, some people on here just have this victim complex with the local media -- it's like some of you are just looking for opportunities to get offended by what people say (or even what they don't say). It's kind of pathetic, honestly.

Who cares what Mo or Lance has to say about UC. Seriously. It makes the fanbase look petty that they feel the need to latch onto every perceived slight like this.

(02-06-2013 08:15 AM)#41 Wrote:  Man, some people on here just have this victim complex with the local media -- it's like some of you are just looking for opportunities to get offended by what people say (or even what they don't say). It's kind of pathetic, honestly.

Who cares what Mo or Lance has to say about UC. Seriously. It makes the fanbase look petty that they feel the need to latch onto every perceived slight like this.

Maybe if you would read or listen to how the local media treats UC you would understand...The media in Columbus, Louisville, Lexington, Indianapolis etc etc...treat their Universities a lot different than the way UC is portrayed in Cincy...

(02-06-2013 08:15 AM)#41 Wrote:  Man, some people on here just have this victim complex with the local media -- it's like some of you are just looking for opportunities to get offended by what people say (or even what they don't say). It's kind of pathetic, honestly.

Who cares what Mo or Lance has to say about UC. Seriously. It makes the fanbase look petty that they feel the need to latch onto every perceived slight like this.

I would say it shows there is actually a caring fanbase here, contrary to what the local media would have you believe. If anything it shows how petty and bush league the media is here in Cincy.

(02-06-2013 08:21 AM)uchoops Wrote:  

(02-06-2013 08:15 AM)#41 Wrote:  Man, some people on here just have this victim complex with the local media -- it's like some of you are just looking for opportunities to get offended by what people say (or even what they don't say). It's kind of pathetic, honestly.

Who cares what Mo or Lance has to say about UC. Seriously. It makes the fanbase look petty that they feel the need to latch onto every perceived slight like this.

Maybe if you would read or listen to how the local media treats UC you would understand...The media in Columbus, Louisville, Lexington, Indianapolis etc etc...treat their Universities a lot different than the way UC is portrayed in Cincy...

The media in Columbus, Louisville and Lexington treat their university's with reverence and respect because:

1. They're the only game in town and the risk of getting frozen out by the AD's office due to excessively poor coverage is real.
2. There are enormous local fanbases for the program that demand constant coverage and want a bit of homerism in that coverage
3. The programs have been committed to winning at a national level for as long as most of the broadcasters covering them have been around.

Do I wish the media was "nicer" to UC? Sure. But it's not like UC gets crapped on and ignored while hours of programming and praise are devoted to Xavier and Ohio State.

Cincinnati is a pro sports town, and UC's fanbase is simply too small to demand attention and recognition beyond what it gets.

I'm not being a hater, I'm being a realist. Like I said in the other thread, if there was huge demand for better UC coverage someone would be making money providing it on one of the local radio stations or in the paper. If that's not what the survey responses and radio ratings for EXISTING UC coverage is showing, why would the level of coverage ever change?

(02-06-2013 12:35 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-06-2013 08:15 AM)#41 Wrote:  Man, some people on here just have this victim complex with the local media -- it's like some of you are just looking for opportunities to get offended by what people say (or even what they don't say). It's kind of pathetic, honestly.

Who cares what Mo or Lance has to say about UC. Seriously. It makes the fanbase look petty that they feel the need to latch onto every perceived slight like this.

I would say it shows there is actually a caring fanbase here, contrary to what the local media would have you believe. If anything it shows how petty and bush league the media is here in Cincy.

There is a caring fanbase here, but there aren't enough of us.

It should be beyond telling when Mo Egger -- supporter of just about all things UC -- tells people (on the air and off it, if you talk to him) that there's just no demand in the market for UC talk.

(02-06-2013 01:00 PM)#41 Wrote:  

(02-06-2013 12:35 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-06-2013 08:15 AM)#41 Wrote:  Man, some people on here just have this victim complex with the local media -- it's like some of you are just looking for opportunities to get offended by what people say (or even what they don't say). It's kind of pathetic, honestly.

Who cares what Mo or Lance has to say about UC. Seriously. It makes the fanbase look petty that they feel the need to latch onto every perceived slight like this.

I would say it shows there is actually a caring fanbase here, contrary to what the local media would have you believe. If anything it shows how petty and bush league the media is here in Cincy.

There is a caring fanbase here, but there aren't enough of us.

It should be beyond telling when Mo Egger -- supporter of just about all things UC -- tells people (on the air and off it, if you talk to him) that there's just no demand in the market for UC talk.

The media pissed off the fanbase to the point no one wants anything to do with them anymore. I know a number of people, who cancelled Enquirer subscriptions and no longer listen to wlw. I'm just being a realist 41. Sorry if reality sucks for you.

(02-06-2013 01:45 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-06-2013 01:00 PM)#41 Wrote:  

(02-06-2013 12:35 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  

(02-06-2013 08:15 AM)#41 Wrote:  Man, some people on here just have this victim complex with the local media -- it's like some of you are just looking for opportunities to get offended by what people say (or even what they don't say). It's kind of pathetic, honestly.

Who cares what Mo or Lance has to say about UC. Seriously. It makes the fanbase look petty that they feel the need to latch onto every perceived slight like this.

I would say it shows there is actually a caring fanbase here, contrary to what the local media would have you believe. If anything it shows how petty and bush league the media is here in Cincy.

There is a caring fanbase here, but there aren't enough of us.

It should be beyond telling when Mo Egger -- supporter of just about all things UC -- tells people (on the air and off it, if you talk to him) that there's just no demand in the market for UC talk.

The media pissed off the fanbase to the point no one wants anything to do with them anymore. I know a number of people, who cancelled Enquirer subscriptions and no longer listen to wlw. I'm just being a realist 41. Sorry if reality sucks for you.

I'm not bothered either way, but if it's a choice between your anecdotal claims of "a number of people" who cancelled newspaper subscriptions and don't listen to WLW v. an actual sports talk host who, despite being a UC fan, states that UC talk doesn't move the needle, I'm going to side with the host.

And, frankly, if there was a "silent majority" situation going on (legions of UC fans who don't register on the media grid because they don't listen to WLW or take the paper), I think the university wouldn't struggle at the gate as much as they do for football and basketball.

I think most UC fans are also alumni of the university, and many therefore also have careers, families, lives, etc... and don't necessarily want to sit on hold for an hour to be on some radio show for 30 seconds. Ever listen to the average caller about the Reds or Bengals on some of these shows? Most are so inane that I feel like my IQ drops a few points every time I hear them.

(02-06-2013 03:08 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  I think most UC fans are also alumni of the university, and many therefore also have careers, families, lives, etc... and don't necessarily want to sit on hold for an hour to be on some radio show for 30 seconds. Ever listen to the average caller about the Reds or Bengals on some of these shows? Most are so inane that I feel like my IQ drops a few points every time I hear them.

"LANCE DO YOU THINK MARVIN LEWIS WILL BECOME THE GM AND WE CAN GET BILL COWHER TO COACH?? THANKS IMMA HANG UP AND LISTEN"

I used to be an avid listener 10 years ago... eventually I got tired of the Lance and Furman antics of piss people off to get them to call in. That was the day I stopped listening to any local sports talk in Cincinnati. I rarely listen to national talk anymore either... they've ruined sports talk radio by trying to be controversial.