(01-02-2013 03:52 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 03:31 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 02:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No doubt someone will now call me an arrogant ECU football fan.

Arrogant, no. You have done nothing to be arrogant about. Stupid, yes.

What is so stupid about not wanting a team in your conference that has never played a down of football in their history? A school that is a commuter school.

By the logic of your own words the SEC is stupid too for not picking up Charlotte. The Big 12 is also stupid because they didn't pick Charlotte up to be WVU travel partner.

It makes total sense to not want a a school that has never played a down of football and has to build a program from the bottom up. And they have to build this Divsion 1 program in 3 years.

Any credibility you might have had is now gone........

(01-01-2013 01:01 PM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 12:49 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 12:47 PM)GreenMississippi Wrote:  If we didn't jump the gun and invite FIU, FAU, La Tech, UNT, UTSA, and MTSU (6); we would have 8 schools and be in position to reabsorb the remnants of the Big East. We did not anticipate the collapse, and that in the end has turned C*USA into the Belt.

And that's why there won't be any coming back to CUSA. I think those slots were quickly back filled out of spite and political reasons. The only sensible thing is for CUSA schools to join Temple, USF, UCF, Memphis, Tulane and ECU (and Cincy & UConn) while they're around. I don't even care if we have a championship game to be honest.

I can see why that group of schools looks good to you but it doesn't intrigue me very much. I don't mean to denigrate the group at all because there are both strong and weak programs in that group.

I really am liking the west C-USA group but that could change if Tulsa, Rice and USM are poached. If no further poaching is done, I like that group plus La Tech, UNT and UTSA just fine.

I agree. I'm actually excited about CUSA West. We have some good schools and a lot of regional interest now. I don't think it benefits any CUSA West school to jump to the nBE or the MWC now. Lets move forward and renegotiate our TV contract in two years. It will be the same money as any other Gang of 5 conference.

(01-01-2013 01:32 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Good luck trying to get schools to come back unless you can revoke offers to incoming members.

You guys are the ones who advocated so hard for the addition of ODU and UNC Charlotte! Get real. You guys are in no better position now than any current member of CUSA.

(01-02-2013 02:02 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:22 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  Let's get some history corrected here please. ECU was added to C-USA due to several schools in the then just forming conference because USM the football flagship school and some others working against Louisville to include ECU. USM and Louisville for years had bitter blood against each other due to that battle. Charlotte was a school I honestly felt bad for because they had been a big part of the Metro and they cast to the side because they didn't have football, so I think Charlotte deserves to be in C-USA and I have no doubt Charlotte was a part of why ECU was able to get into C-USA as well. At any rate, I think looking down on Charlotte by any team in C-USA is stupid and ECU does owes Charlotte respect.

I have a high level of respect for Charlotte in every other sport but football. I think they should have been given the option to stay if they had wanted to as a non-FB member, but the idea that any ECU fan should "respect" the idea of ECU being in a FB league with a team that doesn't currently exist is just not realistic. My position on Charlotte football has softened since my original outrage over them being added, even to the point that I would like ECU to be in an all sports league one day, but not until they prove that they are going to be at least moderately successful at this level.

Just so you know, the way you feel about Charlotte is the way the BE felt about ECU. Doesn't feel to good, does it?

VA49er is right. I have been surrounded by Big East Fans since the day it was created. I have heard WVU, Pitt and Va Tech (and later Louisville & Cincy) fans rant hysterically about how little they thought of ECU!!! That's why they kept the membership numbers at the level they did. They could have added ECU at any time and never did it. Look, I have a lot of respect for you guys but do not be fooled... you guys were way down on the nBe acceptable (granted higher than Marshall) list. You really shouldn't look down at Charlotte when so many look down on you.

(01-02-2013 06:19 PM)77Herd11 Wrote:  you guys were way down on the nBe acceptable (granted higher than Marshall) list. You really shouldn't look down at Charlotte when so many look down on you.

The only reason they were higher than Marshall is because the Who would have rather gave membership to Grand Valley State then to give it to Marshall. I know a lot of old BE fans in the WHO, VA Tech, Pitt and Syacuse. I would say 90% them had no idea where ECU was located. And if they did they got the state wrong. And everyone knows Greenville SC is where the Purple People Eaters of Furman are located.

(01-02-2013 07:36 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 06:19 PM)77Herd11 Wrote:  you guys were way down on the nBe acceptable (granted higher than Marshall) list. You really shouldn't look down at Charlotte when so many look down on you.

The only reason they were higher than Marshall is because the Who would have rather gave membership to Grand Valley State then to give it to Marshall. I know a lot of old BE fans in the WHO, VA Tech, Pitt and Syacuse. I would say 90% them had no idea where ECU was located. And if they did they got the state wrong. And everyone knows Greenville SC is where the Purple People Eaters of Furman are located.

Well damn since VT is playing us every year home and home till 2020 they better figure out where ECU is or we are going to get 4 wins by forfeit.

(01-02-2013 06:19 PM)77Herd11 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 02:02 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:22 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  Let's get some history corrected here please. ECU was added to C-USA due to several schools in the then just forming conference because USM the football flagship school and some others working against Louisville to include ECU. USM and Louisville for years had bitter blood against each other due to that battle. Charlotte was a school I honestly felt bad for because they had been a big part of the Metro and they cast to the side because they didn't have football, so I think Charlotte deserves to be in C-USA and I have no doubt Charlotte was a part of why ECU was able to get into C-USA as well. At any rate, I think looking down on Charlotte by any team in C-USA is stupid and ECU does owes Charlotte respect.

I have a high level of respect for Charlotte in every other sport but football. I think they should have been given the option to stay if they had wanted to as a non-FB member, but the idea that any ECU fan should "respect" the idea of ECU being in a FB league with a team that doesn't currently exist is just not realistic. My position on Charlotte football has softened since my original outrage over them being added, even to the point that I would like ECU to be in an all sports league one day, but not until they prove that they are going to be at least moderately successful at this level.

Just so you know, the way you feel about Charlotte is the way the BE felt about ECU. Doesn't feel to good, does it?

VA49er is right. I have been surrounded by Big East Fans since the day it was created. I have heard WVU, Pitt and Va Tech (and later Louisville & Cincy) fans rant hysterically about how little they thought of ECU!!! That's why they kept the membership numbers at the level they did. They could have added ECU at any time and never did it. Look, I have a lot of respect for you guys but do not be fooled... you guys were way down on the nBe acceptable (granted higher than Marshall) list. You really shouldn't look down at Charlotte when so many look down on you.

And yet VT keeps signing long term home and home series with ECU, even while playing in a conference with 4 North Carolina schools. Obviously must be a complete lack of respect. I have a high level of respect for Marshall, but the crap being spewed is making it harder to keep.

(01-02-2013 08:01 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 06:19 PM)77Herd11 Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 02:02 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:46 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 01:22 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  Let's get some history corrected here please. ECU was added to C-USA due to several schools in the then just forming conference because USM the football flagship school and some others working against Louisville to include ECU. USM and Louisville for years had bitter blood against each other due to that battle. Charlotte was a school I honestly felt bad for because they had been a big part of the Metro and they cast to the side because they didn't have football, so I think Charlotte deserves to be in C-USA and I have no doubt Charlotte was a part of why ECU was able to get into C-USA as well. At any rate, I think looking down on Charlotte by any team in C-USA is stupid and ECU does owes Charlotte respect.

I have a high level of respect for Charlotte in every other sport but football. I think they should have been given the option to stay if they had wanted to as a non-FB member, but the idea that any ECU fan should "respect" the idea of ECU being in a FB league with a team that doesn't currently exist is just not realistic. My position on Charlotte football has softened since my original outrage over them being added, even to the point that I would like ECU to be in an all sports league one day, but not until they prove that they are going to be at least moderately successful at this level.

Just so you know, the way you feel about Charlotte is the way the BE felt about ECU. Doesn't feel to good, does it?

VA49er is right. I have been surrounded by Big East Fans since the day it was created. I have heard WVU, Pitt and Va Tech (and later Louisville & Cincy) fans rant hysterically about how little they thought of ECU!!! That's why they kept the membership numbers at the level they did. They could have added ECU at any time and never did it. Look, I have a lot of respect for you guys but do not be fooled... you guys were way down on the nBe acceptable (granted higher than Marshall) list. You really shouldn't look down at Charlotte when so many look down on you.

And yet VT keeps signing long term home and home series with ECU, even while playing in a conference with 4 North Carolina schools. Obviously must be a complete lack of respect. I have a high level of respect for Marshall, but the crap being spewed is making it harder to keep.

b0nds, I understand what you are saying about them scheduling home and homes... basically what we have discussed 1,000 times on this board, there is what an Athletic Department knows to be a good thing and that many in the fan base will discount. Because VT schedules you frequently does not mean that a large segment of the fan base respects ECU. To the VT fans I know ECU represents a convenient Out-of-Conference game (close away game). Trust me... they have a decent sized alumni base here, when they discuss an up coming schedule- they count the ECU game as a sure win (not arguing whether they are right or wrong) and they may schedule ECU out of conference, but they do not want to share a conference with you (or Marshall). By the way, I also only know of a very few WVU fans that hold any respect for either of us. Sorry. The point is that to nearly every school in the Big 5 conferences, every school in the Group of 5 has been hit with the ugly stick. We don't have a lot of justification in looking down at others.

(01-02-2013 04:14 PM)919R Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 03:52 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 03:31 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 02:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No doubt someone will now call me an arrogant ECU football fan.

Arrogant, no. You have done nothing to be arrogant about. Stupid, yes.

What is so stupid about not wanting a team in your conference that has never played a down of football in their history? A school that is a commuter school.

By the logic of your own words the SEC is stupid too for not picking up Charlotte. The Big 12 is also stupid because they didn't pick Charlotte up to be WVU travel partner.

It makes total sense to not want a a school that has never played a down of football and has to build a program from the bottom up. And they have to build this Divsion 1 program in 3 years.

Any credibility you might have had is now gone........

Well back around 2000 we were looking at starting an SAE chapter at UNCC. I spoke to the head of Greek Life as well as the President of the IFC. They said that because they were a commuter school they don't have a big Greek population or membership. This is what I was told by the representatives of UNCC. I was also told this by alumni that lived in Charlotte that UNCC was a commuter school.

That is why I have that perception because I am only repeating what I was told by people affiliated with the university. If it is true, then it will be exponentially harder to generate fan support for a budding football program.

#1 Charlotte has an SAE chapter.
#2 greek life at charlotte is quite small. Is that a horrible thing?
#3 even as you claim, your perceptions are from 2000. Our own alumni from the class of 2000 don't even recognize our campus. It's incredibly different. We have a very large on campus population these days. You should check it out if you are ever in town.

(01-02-2013 11:20 PM)77Herd11 Wrote:  they count the ECU game as a sure win (not arguing whether they are right or wrong)

The fact is they look at any non bcs school, like most of us look at a IAA game. Those are just the facts.

(01-02-2013 07:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well damn since VT is playing us every year home and home till 2020 they better figure out where ECU is or we are going to get 4 wins by forfeit.

VT, WVU, SC, BYU, Navy, UVA.... all home/home series played or signed in the past 10 years. I guess we must be a majority stock holder in googlemaps. We've got some real morons posting in this thread.

(01-03-2013 01:15 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 07:58 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Well damn since VT is playing us every year home and home till 2020 they better figure out where ECU is or we are going to get 4 wins by forfeit.

VT, WVU, SC, BYU, Navy, UVA.... all home/home series played or signed in the past 10 years. I guess we must be a majority stock holder in googlemaps. We've got some real morons posting in this thread.

The reason some fans here are giving ECU a little push back is not because they are morons but because they've had their fill of the pompous, loud mouthed, blow hard ECU fans that have an over inflated view of themselves. Nothing more, nothing less.

(01-02-2013 11:23 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 04:14 PM)919R Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 03:52 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 03:31 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 02:49 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  No doubt someone will now call me an arrogant ECU football fan.

Arrogant, no. You have done nothing to be arrogant about. Stupid, yes.

What is so stupid about not wanting a team in your conference that has never played a down of football in their history? A school that is a commuter school.

By the logic of your own words the SEC is stupid too for not picking up Charlotte. The Big 12 is also stupid because they didn't pick Charlotte up to be WVU travel partner.

It makes total sense to not want a a school that has never played a down of football and has to build a program from the bottom up. And they have to build this Divsion 1 program in 3 years.

Any credibility you might have had is now gone........

Well back around 2000 we were looking at starting an SAE chapter at UNCC. I spoke to the head of Greek Life as well as the President of the IFC. They said that because they were a commuter school they don't have a big Greek population or membership. This is what I was told by the representatives of UNCC. I was also told this by alumni that lived in Charlotte that UNCC was a commuter school.

That is why I have that perception because I am only repeating what I was told by people affiliated with the university. If it is true, then it will be exponentially harder to generate fan support for a budding football program.

Not sure what your definition of a "big Greek population" is but we have active Frats and Sorority chapters for most all that I know of, not to mention a pretty large Greek Village Housing Area (10-12 buildings) built on the north side of campus within the last 8-9 years.

(01-01-2013 05:37 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 05:14 PM)WeatherfordMeanGreen Wrote:  

(01-01-2013 05:06 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote:So C-USA didn't really need what will soon be the USA's #4 ranked TV market with the one school that has the largest Texas-based DFW area constituency (even over UT and TAMU) in it at all

Weatherford, just ask the BE how that "drive" for Markets is playing out right now. And I don't think it matters at all, honestly- It's recruiting grounds and travel partners. Every "major" TV market has MULTIPLE options for games, not just the local teams. That's why I think TV markets are so overrated for a purpose to add a school

Again, that's not to knock UNT (or the Dallas market... DIE COWBOYS DIE!) or any specific school that was added, but that's why a lot of people question how fast the adds were done. (again, I'm one of those that thought that the moves _HAD_ to be done fast... or the conference was in bad shape)(.

The Big East main problem is that they couldn't deliver the TV bucks that they got most of the CUSA and MWC schools to leave for in the first place. Obviously, buyers remorse has set in with many of those schools with some going to have to come up with $5 million exit fees I presume. 'Twill be interesting to see how all this plays out, though.

How do you know buyers remorse has set in? I have not heard one AD from any of the schools that left Conf USA say this.

Well, let's all be able to look in the mirror here.

The conference hasn't delivered what was expected for any of us. It has a chance to be a good, solid non-AQ league, but not what was promised. I don't know if "buyers' remorse" is a correct description, but every program and their fans that moved has to be disappointed with how this whole thing has played out.

Honestly, if the final configuration turns out to be close to CUSA II and a slight/moderate bump in income, that's better than playing FCS converts and FBS start-ups, but not worth the total exit/entry fees. No offense intended to those programs moving into the FBS division, but there's a growing process that may or may not work as planned.

I just fail to see how anyone could see it any other way.

(01-03-2013 10:18 AM)919R Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 11:23 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 04:14 PM)919R Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 03:52 PM)Raleighwood Pirate Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 03:31 PM)HerdZoned Wrote:  Arrogant, no. You have done nothing to be arrogant about. Stupid, yes.

What is so stupid about not wanting a team in your conference that has never played a down of football in their history? A school that is a commuter school.

By the logic of your own words the SEC is stupid too for not picking up Charlotte. The Big 12 is also stupid because they didn't pick Charlotte up to be WVU travel partner.

It makes total sense to not want a a school that has never played a down of football and has to build a program from the bottom up. And they have to build this Divsion 1 program in 3 years.

Any credibility you might have had is now gone........

Well back around 2000 we were looking at starting an SAE chapter at UNCC. I spoke to the head of Greek Life as well as the President of the IFC. They said that because they were a commuter school they don't have a big Greek population or membership. This is what I was told by the representatives of UNCC. I was also told this by alumni that lived in Charlotte that UNCC was a commuter school.

That is why I have that perception because I am only repeating what I was told by people affiliated with the university. If it is true, then it will be exponentially harder to generate fan support for a budding football program.

Not sure what your definition of a "big Greek population" is but we have active Frats and Sorority chapters for most all that I know of, not to mention a pretty large Greek Village Housing Area (10-12 buildings) built on the north side of campus within the last 8-9 years.

UNC Charlotte has about 4,800 beds on campus right now and 69% of our Freshmen live on campus. That number does drop significantly after Freshman year, but approximately 65% of our students live within a 5 mile radius of campus.

2010 UNC Charlotte Master Plan

I love how a few months ago, when there seemed to be no hope for an ECU to the BE move and CUSA was looking to backfill, ECU posters were stomping their feet to have a regional opponent like Charlotte. Now they are the reason you want out? Give me a break.

(01-03-2013 10:52 AM)gata_dawg Wrote:  I love how a few months ago, when there seemed to be no hope for an ECU to the BE move and CUSA was looking to backfill, ECU posters were stomping their feet to have a regional opponent like Charlotte. Now they are the reason you want out? Give me a break.

IMO most ECU fans did not want UNC Charlotte or ODU as Conf USA partners. TH pushed these two teams when it looked like ECU was not going to get into the BE. I remember being on one of the paid ECU boards and posters were livid about TH pushing for these two teams. He also was pushing hard for APP State. The problem is not that Charlotte or ODU are not good schools, they are. The problem is that neither one had played in the upper division before and ECU fans were concerned that ticket sales would be not go well with these teams. It also appeared that with the addition of these two teams, that ECU had given up any hope of ever getting out of Conf USA. The blowback was both disappointment and fear of low fan support.

(01-03-2013 11:02 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:52 AM)gata_dawg Wrote:  I love how a few months ago, when there seemed to be no hope for an ECU to the BE move and CUSA was looking to backfill, ECU posters were stomping their feet to have a regional opponent like Charlotte. Now they are the reason you want out? Give me a break.

IMO most ECU fans did not want UNC Charlotte or ODU as Conf USA partners. TH pushed these two teams when it looked like ECU was not going to get into the BE. I remember being on one of the paid ECU boards and posters were livid about TH pushing for these two teams. He also was pushing hard for APP State. The problem is not that Charlotte or ODU are not good schools, they are. The problem is that neither one had played in the upper division before and ECU fans were concerned that ticket sales would be not go well with these teams. It also appeared that with the addition of these two teams, that ECU had given up any hope of ever getting out of Conf USA. The blowback was both disappointment and fear of low fan support.

The majority of ECU fans want Chapel Hill and NC State as their "partners". Now back to the real world........

I have been reading and sometimes commenting on this thread, and frankly I have to ask what the hell does it matter what ECU fans think about UNCC becoming part of C-USA since they will be gone shortly. I could not care less what their opinion is since they don't have to live with it and should USM leave C-USA then I wouldn't give a damn who joined C-USA, but who joined the conference we were going into. Seems sorta dumb to me to be so concerned if you are leaving.