Western needs to do 3 things to compete and excell at all three to pull an upset.

Despite Dunlap and Farmer telling the boys that WMU has some chops I expect State to be flat. Could be wrong, but things are setting up that way.

Offense: Handle pressure (regardless of where on the floor) not turning it over to get your shots through the offense.

Defense: Know who are their scorers,their tendency and stop them.

Special teams: Own the D glass and be a factor on the O glass.

If WMU can limit turnovers (even out of dbl teams in the post) and get their shots in the offense they can keep it close.

If WMU recognizes Scott Wood is strictly perimeter and dont help off him you eliminate that threat from 3. Know which big has skills inside and which is a garbage man. Know which kid couldnt throw in the ocean standing 2' from the waters edge but can get into the lane off the bounce. Then execute.

You D up properly you should avoid mismatches on the D glass and can get some transition going.

Not turning it over and getting "your" shot allows for some O board opps that can at least get you to the line if not an And 1.

Gotta stay out of foul trouble. Their bigs are good.

It would also help if they fell in love with the 3 and were cold.

88-61

Stay out of foul trouble and limit turnovers and we still lose by 15. I'm just hoping for a better outting than against Michigan.

Game is being advertised on ESPN

Hopefully this wont be as bad as the Duke game last year.

(12-27-2012 08:29 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Gotta stay out of foul trouble. Their bigs are good.

It would also help if they fell in love with the 3 and were cold.

Foul trouble or staying out of it is a given.

Knowing who can do what effectively, where and how and keeping it straight in real time, then executing it is the issue.
That will keep the Bronco's out of foul trouble.

Toughest rebound to get is the long one.
I'd almost rather have NCState go inside. We move then don't leave our feet bringing our perimeters in to help on the glass. I like this more than trying to chase down long carooms.
Kids like Perry, Klien and Harris could be perfect with their athleticism filling that guard rebound role.

(12-28-2012 03:07 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  

(12-27-2012 08:29 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Gotta stay out of foul trouble. Their bigs are good.

It would also help if they fell in love with the 3 and were cold.

Foul trouble or staying out of it is a given.

Knowing who can do what effectively, where and how and keeping it straight in real time, then executing it is the issue.
That will keep the Bronco's out of foul trouble.

Toughest rebound to get is the long one.
I'd almost rather have NCState go inside. We move then don't leave our feet bringing our perimeters in to help on the glass. I like this more than trying to chase down long carooms.
Kids like Perry, Klien and Harris could be perfect with their athleticism filling that guard rebound role.

Side note...looks like Harris is out. He tweeted a pic of himself in a sling. Shoulder or arm injury? I think Persky tweeted that he's out 4-8 weeks.


And yes, I think he should redshirt unless he has a miraculous recovery in the next 2-3 weeks.

(12-28-2012 03:11 PM)EA3 Wrote:  I think Persky tweeted that he's out 4-8 weeks.

And yes, I think he should redshirt unless he has a miraculous recovery in the next 2-3 weeks.

The 4-8 weeks was just typical recovery time -- it's a dislocated left shoulder injury. WMU athletics hasn't confirmed the injury, nor have they confirmed a timetable yet.

He should be eligible for a medical redshirt since he's only played in 6 games. It'd be a really smart decision to take the medical redshirt at this point IMO.

Game is on ESPNU and ESPN3

Another brilliant Hawkins move. Harris should have been redshirted. No if ands or buts. Just a complete waste of a years eligibility.

(12-28-2012 10:43 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  Another brilliant Hawkins move. Harris should have been redshirted. No if ands or buts. Just a complete waste of a years eligibility.

He still can have a medical redshirt. And unless you have watched practices for the last two months, you aren't qualified to make that call...none of us are. Not to mention, sitting out two years from competition is far from desirable.

With all the David Brown medical issues I find it hard to believe that a regular on this site does not remember that the rule is nine games.
Harris will have no problem getting a medical after playing limited minutes in only six.

(12-28-2012 10:51 PM)EA3 Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 10:43 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  Another brilliant Hawkins move. Harris should have been redshirted. No if ands or buts. Just a complete waste of a years eligibility.

He still can have a medical redshirt. And unless you have watched practices for the last two months, you aren't qualified to make that call...none of us are. Not to mention, sitting out two years from competition is far from desirable.

Tell me EA, what has he contributed to date other than some mop up minutes? The kid came in injured, and now he's going to miss a bunch more.

Hawk doesn't redshirt players. They have to redshirt themselves. Stupid philosophy.

(12-29-2012 08:40 AM)okgc Wrote:  With all the David Brown medical issues I find it hard to believe that a regular on this site does not remember that the rule is nine games.
Harris will have no problem getting a medical after playing limited minutes in only six.

The rule is 20% of all games. If we play 30, he's played in 6, that's 20%. Furthermore it says 4-8 weeks, not strictly 8 weeks, which would take him through most of the season.

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(12-29-2012 09:06 AM)Chipdip Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 10:51 PM)EA3 Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 10:43 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  Another brilliant Hawkins move. Harris should have been redshirted. No if ands or buts. Just a complete waste of a years eligibility.

He still can have a medical redshirt. And unless you have watched practices for the last two months, you aren't qualified to make that call...none of us are. Not to mention, sitting out two years from competition is far from desirable.

Tell me EA, what has he contributed to date other than some mop up minutes? The kid came in injured, and now he's going to miss a bunch more.

Hawk doesn't redshirt players. They have to redshirt themselves. Stupid philosophy.

He hasn't. He's #10 or 11 on the depth chart. You don't redshirt a guy like that. We are one or two injuries away from him playing 20+ minutes. Furthermore, it's his option...it's been stated multiple times that hawk gives the player the option. It could have been offered for all we know.

Nobody has any idea how freshman will respond in practice or games until they participate. People didn't think Perry could contribute enough back in November. And now he's an important piece for us. Harris could be no different if healthy.

And yes, Harris would qualify for a medical redshirt. The rule is 30%.

Quote:He's #10 or 11 on the depth chart. You don't redshirt a guy like that.

IMHO....that's EXACTLY the type of guy that you try to redshirt.

Especailly if he's a kid who is athletic but needs to work on his skill set and basketball knowledge.

(12-29-2012 09:54 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 09:06 AM)Chipdip Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 10:51 PM)EA3 Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 10:43 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  Another brilliant Hawkins move. Harris should have been redshirted. No if ands or buts. Just a complete waste of a years eligibility.

He still can have a medical redshirt. And unless you have watched practices for the last two months, you aren't qualified to make that call...none of us are. Not to mention, sitting out two years from competition is far from desirable.

Tell me EA, what has he contributed to date other than some mop up minutes? The kid came in injured, and now he's going to miss a bunch more.

Hawk doesn't redshirt players. They have to redshirt themselves. Stupid philosophy.

He hasn't. He's #10 or 11 on the depth chart. You don't redshirt a guy like that. We are one or two injuries away from him playing 20+ minutes. Furthermore, it's his option...it's been stated multiple times that hawk gives the player the option. It could have been offered for all we know.

Furthermore, it's his option.
^There's the problem. It shouldn't be the kid's option.

Quote:Eligibility
The NCAA states that a basketball player can only be eligible for a medical redshirt (otherwise known as "medical hardship waiver") only if she has participated in less than 20 percent of her school's athletic contests. This includes preseason games and non-conference games.

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(12-29-2012 10:02 AM)ESSSS Wrote:  

Quote:He's #10 or 11 on the depth chart. You don't redshirt a guy like that.

IMHO....that's EXACTLY the type of guy that you try to redshirt.

Especailly if he's a kid who is athletic but needs to work on his skill set and basketball knowledge.

We can't go into a season with 9 or 10 guys. If an injury or two happens, we end up playing our walk-ons (not loney) when they shouldn't be on the court.

You redshirt a guy like kellen who could benefit in the weight room and has no less than 3 guys in front of him at the 4 position.

Here is a question, what if hutch injured his shoulder and not Harris? And what if Harris did redshirt this year? All of a sudden, we are really really thin on the wings.