(12-29-2012 10:22 AM)Chipdip Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 09:54 AM)EA3 Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 09:06 AM)Chipdip Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 10:51 PM)EA3 Wrote:  

(12-28-2012 10:43 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  Another brilliant Hawkins move. Harris should have been redshirted. No if ands or buts. Just a complete waste of a years eligibility.

He still can have a medical redshirt. And unless you have watched practices for the last two months, you aren't qualified to make that call...none of us are. Not to mention, sitting out two years from competition is far from desirable.

Tell me EA, what has he contributed to date other than some mop up minutes? The kid came in injured, and now he's going to miss a bunch more.

Hawk doesn't redshirt players. They have to redshirt themselves. Stupid philosophy.

He hasn't. He's #10 or 11 on the depth chart. You don't redshirt a guy like that. We are one or two injuries away from him playing 20+ minutes. Furthermore, it's his option...it's been stated multiple times that hawk gives the player the option. It could have been offered for all we know.

Furthermore, it's his option.
^There's the problem. It shouldn't be the kid's option.

Quote:Eligibility
The NCAA states that a basketball player can only be eligible for a medical redshirt (otherwise known as "medical hardship waiver") only if she has participated in less than 20 percent of her school's athletic contests. This includes preseason games and non-conference games.

Read more: Medical Redshirt Rules for Basketball | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/list_6718582_medical...z2GSFd5sBE

1. The rule has changed to 30% sometime in the last decade.

2. Telling a frosh that he has to redshirt is horrible for recruiting.

Quote:We can't go into a season with 9 or 10 guys

Sure you can. You need 11 or 12 to practice, but you don't need 9 or 10 to play a season. In 1979 MSU ran away with the national title and barely went 7 deep. Ron Charles and Burkovich was the bench.

Quote:1. The rule has changed to 30% sometime in the last decade.

Wiki has it at 30%, Ehow 20% (not dated). Both are simply done by random humans, so I'm not sure which is correct.

Quote:2. Telling a frosh that he has to redshirt is horrible for recruiting.

It's common place. Izzo does it all the time. It's the norm in football.

We aren't MSU. Izzo can do those things because he's Tom friggin Izzo.

See Eric Devendorf from Syracuse a few years back. Played in 10 games, tore up his knee, and got a medical redshirt. Again, the Rule changed sometime in the last decade.

Quote:Here is a question, what if hutch injured his shoulder and not Harris? And what if Harris did redshirt this year? All of a sudden, we are really really thin on the wings.

What happened to Carl Levert's redshirt when Matt Vogrich wasn't producing at Michigan this year?

(12-29-2012 10:46 AM)ESSSS Wrote:  

Quote:Here is a question, what if hutch injured his shoulder and not Harris? And what if Harris did redshirt this year? All of a sudden, we are really really thin on the wings.

What happened to Carl Levert's redshirt when Matt Vogrich wasn't producing at Michigan this year?

It got lifted. What's your point? How often does that happen?

How many DI bball teams have more than 1 player redshirting? Non medical...

(12-29-2012 10:42 AM)EA3 Wrote:  We aren't MSU. Izzo can do those things because he's Tom friggin Izzo.

Izzo gets the same number of scholarships that Hawk does. So tell me, what difference does it make if he's Tom "friggin" Izzo. Izzo started a walk on last year. Hawk has the same options as Izzo. Took him 5 years and a forced hand vs. Northeastern and USC to figure out Alex Wolf could shoot from the perimeter better than most of his starters.

You'll figure it out someday. Hawkins is a pretty good recruiter, not much of a manager (see last year). He'll NEVER make it to the MAC Championship let alone win it. As long as the West sucks he'll always look competitive.

(12-29-2012 11:04 AM)Chipdip Wrote:  

(12-29-2012 10:42 AM)EA3 Wrote:  We aren't MSU. Izzo can do those things because he's Tom friggin Izzo.

Izzo gets the same number of scholarships that Hawk does. So tell me, what difference does it make if he's Tom "friggin" Izzo. Izzo started a walk on last year. Hawk has the same options as Izzo. Took him 5 years and a forced hand vs. Northeastern and USC to figure out Alex Wolf could shoot from the perimeter better than most of his starters.

Tom Izzo can dictate because he can replace any of his players. There is a list of kids begging to play for him every year. When his program is in demand and he's been to multiple final fours, he can tell a player he's gonna redshirt and if the kid doesn't like it...he can be replaced.

We don't have that luxury.

Quote:Tom Izzo can dictate because he can replace any of his players.

He has to wait a year just like everyone else. Hawk can replace them the same way Izzo does.

As much as you want to say Hawkins has some disadvantage, you're simply projecting. They all play by the same rules. Izzo, the far more successful coach, tells his players they will redshirt. Hawk, the far less successful coach, doesn't.

Quote:What's your point?

Serious?

The point is..........if a kid could REALLY benefit from a redshirt year, and that kid is unlikely to play much during that year, the coach should try to redshirt him.

Your reason for not redshirting Harris simply does not apply.

Harris's redshirt could have been revoked at the discretion of the coach at any time.

Quote:How many DI bball teams have more than 1 player redshirting?

1. Who cares?

2. How many D1 bball teams have 8 kids in their freshman class?

3. WMU has more than 1 player redshirting this year.

WMU vs NC State TV? online? need help, don't get ESPNU.

An amendment to the medical redshirt rule was made in April 2007. Here is what it says:

Quote:"A player can compete in 30 percent of a team's games – instead of 20 percent – in the first half of the season and still be eligible for a medical hardship waiver."

I don't know why they make these things so damn complicated...

All done fellas. I don't agree with either of you...I'm moving on.

(12-29-2012 11:20 AM)Broncoboogie Wrote:  WMU vs NC State TV? online? need help, don't get ESPNU.

It's on ESPN3 too (online)

Thanks BP

Go Broncos

(12-29-2012 11:12 AM)ESSSS Wrote:  

Quote:What's your point?

Serious?

The point is..........if a kid could REALLY benefit from a redshirt year, and that kid is unlikely to play much during that year, the coach should try to redshirt him.

Your reason for not redshirting Harris simply does not apply.

Harris's redshirt could have been revoked at the discretion of the coach at any time.

Quote:How many DI bball teams have more than 1 player redshirting?

1. Who cares?

2. How many D1 bball teams have 8 kids in their freshman class?

3. WMU has more than 1 player redshirting this year.

Who else is redshirting besides kellen McCormick?

Well, at least we can say our guys led N.C. St. (2 - 0 )

State travels when they're on offense. Watch their feet when they have the ball.

We are playing very well! GO BRONCOS!

Broncos, so far, very patient on offense and attacking for rebounds.

On defense, they are helping out very well. Not many easy shots for NC State.