(12-21-2012 12:38 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 07:35 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

There are more documents in antiquity supporting the existence of a Jesus from Nazareth, than there are of Julius Caesar existing.

Reconcile that for me. Jesus of Nazareth definitely existed. Now was he actually the Christ, Immanuel, 'Jesus - Jehovah is salvation'? Now that is a question that you personally must wrestle with.

There are coins that have Ceasar's picture engraved on them.

There are coins with Jupiter's picture engraved on them.

(12-21-2012 01:13 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:38 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 07:35 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

There are more documents in antiquity supporting the existence of a Jesus from Nazareth, than there are of Julius Caesar existing.

Reconcile that for me. Jesus of Nazareth definitely existed. Now was he actually the Christ, Immanuel, 'Jesus - Jehovah is salvation'? Now that is a question that you personally must wrestle with.

There are coins that have Ceasar's picture engraved on them.

There are coins with Jupiter's picture engraved on them.

No one has questioned Jupiter' existence.

Even the bible references Caeser, though probably not Julius.

(12-21-2012 01:22 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 01:13 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:38 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 07:35 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

There are more documents in antiquity supporting the existence of a Jesus from Nazareth, than there are of Julius Caesar existing.

Reconcile that for me. Jesus of Nazareth definitely existed. Now was he actually the Christ, Immanuel, 'Jesus - Jehovah is salvation'? Now that is a question that you personally must wrestle with.

There are coins that have Ceasar's picture engraved on them.

There are coins with Jupiter's picture engraved on them.

No one has questioned Jupiter' existence.

Even the bible references Caeser, though probably not Julius.

So were in agreement that being printed on a coin is not a valid proof of existence?

(12-19-2012 12:05 AM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 10:41 PM)dfarr Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 09:58 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 09:46 PM)Paul M Wrote:  F*ck Kwanzaa.

Why?

Because its a fictitious, racist, socialist "holiday" made up by a black nationalist in 1966.

I looks like you've got a "War on Kwanzaa" going. And Kwanzaa is no more fictitious than Christmas, Christ is a very socialist character, and many who profess to be Christians are incredibly racist. So you must have very negative feelings about Christmas is you're honest with yourself. Of course, that's highly doubtful.

You are a Al Sharpton wannabe.Christ was not a Socialist you Libtard. Now the Liberal black churches in this country are Socialist and filled with racists that is why they voted for this Marxist Maobama not for the content of his character,but for the color of his skin.

(12-21-2012 01:22 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 01:13 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:38 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 07:35 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

There are more documents in antiquity supporting the existence of a Jesus from Nazareth, than there are of Julius Caesar existing.

Reconcile that for me. Jesus of Nazareth definitely existed. Now was he actually the Christ, Immanuel, 'Jesus - Jehovah is salvation'? Now that is a question that you personally must wrestle with.

There are coins that have Ceasar's picture engraved on them.

There are coins with Jupiter's picture engraved on them.

No one has questioned Jupiter' existence.

Come again?

What if Jesus meant what he said?
http://www.esquire.com/features/best-and...n_ref_map=[]

Just for shitz and giggles

Part 1




Part 2




Part 3

(12-21-2012 12:33 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:37 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:32 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 07:31 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  I think it is hilarious that anyone says that Christ is a socialist. Really?

Really

There is a big book that quotes him quite extensively. Read it some time.

To be honest we believe the bible is quoting Jesus. There is no proof it actually is. He did not write it.

That's not what I was addressing.

(12-20-2012 11:49 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  All that argument does it cast extreme doubt on Julius Caesar. Evidence of Jesus the Christ is very scant.

Oh do tell, since you know so much on the subject.

Some schmuck gets a trumped up diploma and suddenly he knows more than the rest of the world. Really more like the Scarecrow.

(12-21-2012 07:33 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  What if Jesus meant what he said?
http://www.esquire.com/features/best-and...n_ref_map=[]

Classic piece where some doofus doesn't even bother to cite what Jesus said.

Anyway, you'd do well to read the whole Bible, not just a few select quotes that justify your envy, hatred and bitterness.

(12-21-2012 07:33 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  What if Jesus meant what he said?
http://www.esquire.com/features/best-and...n_ref_map=[]

When someone does that Jesus was, as he said, they only way to God they lose all authority to try and claim other parts of scripture...

(12-21-2012 12:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 07:33 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  What if Jesus meant what he said?
http://www.esquire.com/features/best-and...n_ref_map=[]

When someone does that Jesus was, as he said, they only way to God they lose all authority to try and claim other parts of scripture...

I don't have a clue what that means, but I'm pretty sure you are having a stroke. Do you smell bacon?

(12-22-2012 08:58 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:27 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 07:33 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  What if Jesus meant what he said?
http://www.esquire.com/features/best-and...n_ref_map=[]

When someone does that Jesus was, as he said, they only way to God they lose all authority to try and claim other parts of scripture...

I don't have a clue what that means, but I'm pretty sure you are having a stroke. Do you smell bacon?

Half asleep when posting...

When someone tys to take Jesus Quotes as wisdom, and ignore the one where he said that he was the only way to God they lose all authority in the conversation.

(12-21-2012 07:33 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  What if Jesus meant what he said?
http://www.esquire.com/features/best-and...n_ref_map=[]

Awesome link!

Quote:

After all, Jesus says to the religious elite who looked down on everybody else: "The tax collectors and prostitutes are entering the Kingdom ahead of you." And we wonder what got him killed?

(12-21-2012 08:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:33 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:37 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:32 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 07:31 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  I think it is hilarious that anyone says that Christ is a socialist. Really?

Really

There is a big book that quotes him quite extensively. Read it some time.

To be honest we believe the bible is quoting Jesus. There is no proof it actually is. He did not write it.

That's not what I was addressing.

my bad - when you said that there was a big book that quoted Jesus, I thought you were referring to the bible.

(12-22-2012 11:40 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 08:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:33 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:37 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:32 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  Really

There is a big book that quotes him quite extensively. Read it some time.

To be honest we believe the bible is quoting Jesus. There is no proof it actually is. He did not write it.

That's not what I was addressing.

my bad - when you said that there was a big book that quoted Jesus, I thought you were referring to the bible.

Yes, the Bible. No, that you could come to the belief that Jesus was a socialist by reading his words in it.

(12-22-2012 11:59 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:40 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 08:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:33 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:37 AM)Paul M Wrote:  There is a big book that quotes him quite extensively. Read it some time.

To be honest we believe the bible is quoting Jesus. There is no proof it actually is. He did not write it.

That's not what I was addressing.

my bad - when you said that there was a big book that quoted Jesus, I thought you were referring to the bible.

Yes, the Bible. No, that you could come to the belief that Jesus was a socialist by reading his words in it.

I will agree that I do not think Jesus would have been a socialist, but he would probably be a liberal progressive.

(12-22-2012 01:09 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:59 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:40 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 08:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:33 AM)dcCid Wrote:  To be honest we believe the bible is quoting Jesus. There is no proof it actually is. He did not write it.

That's not what I was addressing.

my bad - when you said that there was a big book that quoted Jesus, I thought you were referring to the bible.

Yes, the Bible. No, that you could come to the belief that Jesus was a socialist by reading his words in it.

Ha. Only b/c you've never read the Bible. If anything, Jesus was more conservative than I'm comfortable with.
I will agree that I do not think Jesus would have been a socialist, but he would probably be a liberal progressive.

(12-22-2012 01:09 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:59 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-22-2012 11:40 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 08:05 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:33 AM)dcCid Wrote:  To be honest we believe the bible is quoting Jesus. There is no proof it actually is. He did not write it.

That's not what I was addressing.

my bad - when you said that there was a big book that quoted Jesus, I thought you were referring to the bible.

Yes, the Bible. No, that you could come to the belief that Jesus was a socialist by reading his words in it.

I will agree that I do not think Jesus would have been a socialist, but he would probably be a liberal progressive.

Oh really?

Where did he advocate government redistribution of wealth? Where did he advocate larger government at all?

"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and render unto God the things that are God's," is about as far from socialism, or even progressive liberalism, as it is possible to get.

Jesus advocated charity, not socialism.

He believed in personal charity, helping those truly in need. Liberal progressives believe in legislating that others pay the bills of any shameless prick who holds his hand out. Jesus had nothing in common with those thieving bastards and would encourage liberals to repent.