(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

You don't need religion to know Jesus lived. You're an idiot. Good fuc yourself and have a merry CHRISTMAS!

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

(12-19-2012 05:27 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

You don't need religion to know Jesus lived. You're an idiot. Good fuc yourself and have a merry CHRISTMAS!

I always value your input. Happy Solstice to you.

(12-19-2012 05:25 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  In other words, I'm offended by intolerance and bigotry.

Damn, spit my coffee all over my screen. You're a hoot, Grad. Do you pay someone to kick your ass or are you able to do it yourself?

I think it is hilarious that anyone says that Christ is a socialist. Really?

Ever heard of sovereign election? Look at Romans and Hebrews. God is not saving every single person, guys. Only those who confess that Jesus Christ is the Messiah, the Son of God.

Merry Christmas!

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

There are more documents in antiquity supporting the existence of a Jesus from Nazareth, than there are of Julius Caesar existing.

Reconcile that for me. Jesus of Nazareth definitely existed. Now was he actually the Christ, Immanuel, 'Jesus - Jehovah is salvation'? Now that is a question that you personally must wrestle with.

(12-19-2012 05:25 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 05:17 PM)VA49er Wrote:  People should be free to celebrate whatever season they want without others getting butthurt about it. I mean, how in the hell does someone celebrating Christmas hurt a non Christian? Same applies to a non Jewish person getting upset at Hannakua or non Muslim getting upset at Ramadan. If every one would just mind their own business and stop LOOKING FOR A REASON TO BE OFFENDED, this world would be such a better place.

Merry "whatever it is you choose to celebrate" !!

I agree completely. I'm not offended by Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, Ramadan, Yule, or any other celebration. I am, however, offended by those who want to pretend that certain celebrations are legitimate and others aren't. In other words, I'm offended by intolerance and bigotry. That's one of the main reasons why I don't care for most of the right-wingers around here, along with their insufferable stupidity. Anyway - merry whatever to you too.

My take is those people are one in the same. Those that think one celebration is more legitimate than another are the same ones that are always "offended" by something or another, particularly another religious activity. Thanks for the "merry", and for the record, I do Christmas, but wish everyone else to enjoy whatever season they wish to enjoy.

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable,

UM is the gift that keeps on giving. I'll bet they leech sick people to get rid of bad humours, think the brain cools the body's blood, insist that planets reside on celestial spheres, and thunder comes from the pounding of Thor's hammer.

There is more proof Jesus lived than there is proof Obama is a citizen.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

(12-19-2012 05:27 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

You don't need religion to know Jesus lived. You're an idiot. Good fuc yourself and have a merry CHRISTMAS!

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

I hate myself for laughing at that.

(12-20-2012 07:31 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  I think it is hilarious that anyone says that Christ is a socialist. Really?

Really

(12-20-2012 09:32 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 07:31 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  I think it is hilarious that anyone says that Christ is a socialist. Really?

Really

There is a big book that quotes him quite extensively. Read it some time.

(12-20-2012 09:32 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 07:31 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  I think it is hilarious that anyone says that Christ is a socialist. Really?

Really

Grace for the humble, law for the proud.

Jesus isn't a socialist because, although He wants to give His 'wealth' of grace and love to all His Creation, only those who repent and follow Christ will receive it. Pretty sure that isn't socialism.

I know what you guys are trying to suggest, but applying that kind of vocabulary to God is pretty nonsensical. His ways aren't our ways.

(12-20-2012 07:31 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  I think it is hilarious that anyone says that Christ is a socialist. Really?

Those are people who don't read the Bible in its entirety. They pick and choose a few verses, and ignore the "uncomfortable" ones.

Capitalism has been a way to show love to mankind for centuries. "Love your neighbor as yourself" results in capitalism...capitalism provides the mechanics to carry out this command. It is fraught w/ people who have abused the system, yes. Sin is a basic tenet of the Christian faith. But even so, the evidence is overwhelming that beneficence is the product of capitalism.

Socialism has been complete in its demonstration of hatred toward people. There are no exceptions of occasional benevolence. It is evil and is used by evil people.

Jesus is my reason for the season. Thats all that concerns me...

(12-20-2012 02:05 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Jesus is my reason for the season. Thats all that concerns me...

Imagine your surprise when you meet me in Hell.

(12-20-2012 02:16 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 02:05 PM)No Bull Wrote:  Jesus is my reason for the season. Thats all that concerns me...

Imagine your surprise when you meet me in Hell.

Why on earth would we go to hell? You have time to repent and vote Republican.....



jk

Wow. Just really enjoyed reading this entire thread. Thank you.

(12-20-2012 07:35 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

There are more documents in antiquity supporting the existence of a Jesus from Nazareth, than there are of Julius Caesar existing.

Reconcile that for me. Jesus of Nazareth definitely existed. Now was he actually the Christ, Immanuel, 'Jesus - Jehovah is salvation'? Now that is a question that you personally must wrestle with.

All that argument does it cast extreme doubt on Julius Caesar. Evidence of Jesus the Christ is very scant.

(12-20-2012 09:37 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:32 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 07:31 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  I think it is hilarious that anyone says that Christ is a socialist. Really?

Really

There is a big book that quotes him quite extensively. Read it some time.

To be honest we believe the bible is quoting Jesus. There is no proof it actually is. He did not write it.

(12-20-2012 07:35 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  

(12-19-2012 04:31 PM)UM2001GRAD Wrote:  The actual existence of Christ is questionable, and Christmas wasn't even recognized until more than 300 years after his supposed birth and death. Christmas was placed in late December in an effort to supplant the numerous pagan festivals honoring the return of the sun. Anyone who thinks Christmas isn't a "made up" holiday is fooling themselves. This time of year is about the solstice, and as Christianity wanes it will return more and more to being about the solstice, a celebration of winter, and the return of the sun as days begin to lengthen again. For a growing number of people it makes far more sense to celebrate those things.

There are more documents in antiquity supporting the existence of a Jesus from Nazareth, than there are of Julius Caesar existing.

Reconcile that for me. Jesus of Nazareth definitely existed. Now was he actually the Christ, Immanuel, 'Jesus - Jehovah is salvation'? Now that is a question that you personally must wrestle with.

There are coins that have Ceasar's picture engraved on them.