Tighter gun laws wouldn't have prevented this tragedy. He had no criminal record and the guns were stolen. What's your next excuse?

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(12-15-2012 04:37 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Tighter gun laws wouldn't have prevented this tragedy. He had no criminal record and the guns were stolen. What's your next excuse?

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Beware! Lobbyists for "Big Gunsafe" will be pushing Congress to enact a law requiring that you have to have a gun safe in your home to store your weapons, to prevent your deranged son from killing you, stealing your weapons, and then shooting up a school.

Just saw a report that he had tried to buy a rifle legally but was denied. So the system worked.

(12-15-2012 04:23 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Do any of you know how relatively easy it is to make an "assault" rifle win a basic machine shop? We going to ban lathes next?

First, every school in America should have 1/3rd of their teachers armed (concealed carry) and trained for this situation. (Deterrent)

Second, every school in America should be secured. No one should be able to walk in without going to the office first and the people there have to be vigilant and not just pass people through. (Prevention)

Third, every classroom door should be locked from the inside, requiring someone inside to open it or an administrator access key.

Fourth, from 12 of age to graduation all students should basic annual psychological evaluations from the school. This would expose bullying, potential criminal activities, depression and a lot of other potential future problems.

Fifth, if your firearms are used in a crime and its shown that you didn't do your best to secure them; then you should face felony charges with a minimal 10 year sentence.

Sixth, we all have to realize that no matter what we do, we'll never be able to prevent these things from happening from time to time. Norway doesn't exactly have the most liberal of gun control laws, but that psyco was still able to shoot up that summer camp last year. If someone is a nut you won't be able to stop them if you don't know about them beforehand.

I can't get on board with 4 and 5.

The state is not entitled to know my child's mental health. They should offer them to parents free of charge, but requiring that I force my child to be screened most certainly violates many rights to privacy.

Again, this is a step of punishing the innocent for the acts of the guilty. My leaving a gun unsecured in my home is not the reason for the school shooting. Its even harder to justify when the shooter is 24.

3 also seems like it could pose a problem. What are you gonna do when he shooter walks into a classroom and locks the door behind him? At VT, the guy chained the doors shut (which is also why they only have a single pull handle on each side of the doors).

(12-15-2012 06:25 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 04:23 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  Do any of you know how relatively easy it is to make an "assault" rifle win a basic machine shop? We going to ban lathes next?

First, every school in America should have 1/3rd of their teachers armed (concealed carry) and trained for this situation. (Deterrent)

Second, every school in America should be secured. No one should be able to walk in without going to the office first and the people there have to be vigilant and not just pass people through. (Prevention)

Third, every classroom door should be locked from the inside, requiring someone inside to open it or an administrator access key.

Fourth, from 12 of age to graduation all students should basic annual psychological evaluations from the school. This would expose bullying, potential criminal activities, depression and a lot of other potential future problems.

Fifth, if your firearms are used in a crime and its shown that you didn't do your best to secure them; then you should face felony charges with a minimal 10 year sentence.

Sixth, we all have to realize that no matter what we do, we'll never be able to prevent these things from happening from time to time. Norway doesn't exactly have the most liberal of gun control laws, but that psyco was still able to shoot up that summer camp last year. If someone is a nut you won't be able to stop them if you don't know about them beforehand.

I can't get on board with 4 and 5.

The state is not entitled to know my child's mental health. They should offer them to parents free of charge, but requiring that I force my child to be screened most certainly violates many rights to privacy.

Again, this is a step of punishing the innocent for the acts of the guilty. My leaving a gun unsecured in my home is not the reason for the school shooting. Its even harder to justify when the shooter is 24.

3 also seems like it could pose a problem. What are you gonna do when he shooter walks into a classroom and locks the door behind him? At VT, the guy chained the doors shut (which is also why they only have a single pull handle on each side of the doors).

I understand your concerns about 4 and 5. 3 is not a problem if you do 1 and 2.

(12-15-2012 06:35 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I understand your concerns about 4 and 5. 3 is not a problem if you do 1 and 2.

A shooter still has a 66% chance of not facing an armed teacher, and the shooter was a child of one of the teachers.

(12-15-2012 06:53 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 06:35 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  I understand your concerns about 4 and 5. 3 is not a problem if you do 1 and 2.

A shooter still has a 66% chance of not facing an armed teacher, and the shooter was a child of one of the teachers.

The goal is to make schools NOT soft targets. You wouldn't let the teacher's children or husband or anyone simply walk in under #2. They'd have to leave backpacks and coats in the office and be escorted to a room at minimum. I don't think arming all teachers is a viable option because some of them won't accept the duty for multiple reasons just like some folks here don't own guns.

Are we going do to schools what the TSA did to airports after 911? Unlike planes, if a shooter can't get into a school he can just wait outside until school gets out. With a crowd of kids all over the place he will be more efficient with his shooting and one shot might hit two kids. The lone wolf sick bastard pretty much can't be stopped unless there is some luck involved.

So make your rules, install your metal detectors at school entrances, have police dogs and bullet proof classrooms because once you do that the the soft spot just moves to a different location.

There has to be some form of prevention. Gun control is unconstitutional and won't work against someone determined to do these evil acts. I don't want to turn schools into prisons or armed camps but if the alternative is to make us all more vulnerable, then I would go with the armed camp model.

(12-15-2012 08:45 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There has to be some form of prevention. Gun control is unconstitutional and won't work against someone determined to do these evil acts. I don't want to turn schools into prisons or armed camps but if the alternative is to make us all more vulnerable, then I would go with the armed camp model.

But the shooter can just move to a mall, ice skating rink, day care center, etc.

The unpopular truth is the more unarmed people we have out there, the less we can defend ourselves when this happens. But I will stipulate that if everyone is armed there's a better chance for an impulsive shooting over an argument or road rage or something along those lines.

(12-15-2012 08:51 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 08:45 PM)49RFootballNow Wrote:  There has to be some form of prevention. Gun control is unconstitutional and won't work against someone determined to do these evil acts. I don't want to turn schools into prisons or armed camps but if the alternative is to make us all more vulnerable, then I would go with the armed camp model.

But the shooter can just move to a mall, ice skating rink, day care center, etc.

The unpopular truth is the more unarmed people we have out there, the less we can defend ourselves when this happens. But I will stipulate that if everyone is armed there's a better chance for an impulsive shooting over an argument or road rage or something along those lines.

Since his Mother didn't teach there I'd still like to know why h shot the place up.

(12-15-2012 05:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Just saw a report that he had tried to buy a rifle legally but was denied. So the system worked.

It worked well enough to kill 20 children

Again, Peanut. What laws would have prevented this?

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

(12-16-2012 07:37 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Just saw a report that he had tried to buy a rifle legally but was denied. So the system worked.

It worked well enough to kill 20 children

Guns kill!!! The system kills!!!

There was only one killer, and it was neither of your targets.

(12-16-2012 08:39 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 07:37 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Just saw a report that he had tried to buy a rifle legally but was denied. So the system worked.

It worked well enough to kill 20 children

Guns kill!!! The system kills!!!

There was only one killer, and it was neither of your targets.

The "target" of the assault weapon was clearly the 20 children

(12-16-2012 08:39 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Again, Peanut. What laws would have prevented this?

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Renewing the assault weapons ban?

(12-16-2012 07:37 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Just saw a report that he had tried to buy a rifle legally but was denied. So the system worked.

It worked well enough to kill 20 children

Peanut wants Obama to ban all "assault rifles" or require people to have gun safes. The Brady nuts ave been floating registration of "assault weapons" with Local PD's and the gun safe idea all weekend.

Peanut will ask now why I need "assault weapons" and my answer is, and always: "To protect me, my family, and my property from people like you."

(12-16-2012 09:15 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 07:37 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Just saw a report that he had tried to buy a rifle legally but was denied. So the system worked.

It worked well enough to kill 20 children

Peanut wants Obama to ban all "assault rifles" or require people to have gun safes. The Brady nuts ave been floating registration of "assault weapons" with Local PD's and the gun safe idea all weekend.

Peanut will ask now why I need "assault weapons" and my answer is, and always: "To protect me, my family, and my property from people like you."

Assault weapons were banned in the USA until 2004. You need a gun because you are afraid of your shadow and I don't require one because I'm not.

(12-16-2012 09:09 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 08:39 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 07:37 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Just saw a report that he had tried to buy a rifle legally but was denied. So the system worked.

It worked well enough to kill 20 children

Guns kill!!! The system kills!!!

There was only one killer, and it was neither of your targets.

The "target" of the assault weapon was clearly the 20 children

No weapon targeted anyone.

(12-16-2012 09:34 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 09:09 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 08:39 AM)Paul M Wrote:  

(12-16-2012 07:37 AM)Mr. Peanut Wrote:  

(12-15-2012 05:42 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  Just saw a report that he had tried to buy a rifle legally but was denied. So the system worked.

It worked well enough to kill 20 children

Guns kill!!! The system kills!!!

There was only one killer, and it was neither of your targets.

The "target" of the assault weapon was clearly the 20 children

No weapon targeted anyone.

You are the patron saint of lost causes (and elections)