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RE: What is it in minority culture .....
(11-10-2012 02:04 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote: (11-10-2012 01:47 PM)UCF08 Wrote: (11-10-2012 12:17 PM)PirateMarv Wrote: (11-10-2012 11:59 AM)UConn-SMU Wrote: (11-10-2012 11:47 AM)UCF08 Wrote: What is it in white, majority culture, which makes them think Romneys 47% comment wasn't a big deal? The people in that audience clapped and thought "Wow, that's a good point". No, it was an awful point. That 47% includes most service people, working single mothers, many teachers, servers, dishwashers, landscapers, untold millions of hardworking people throughout the united states, and you simply categorized them into one monolithic group of freeloading moochers because they don't make enough money to qualify paying a single tax out of hundreds of taxes they do pay.
It's a despicable way of thinking, and it's only going to result in more losses.
Well, when roughly 50% of the people pay income taxes and 50% don't pay income taxes, you're going to create resentment eventually. That's a natural human reaction. Many people are tired of doing all the heavy lifting while being told that they're the "evil 1%".
Is it politically wise to express feelings of resentment? No. But it's still there and understandably so.
I love phony arguments, because the reason that a lot of people don't pay income taxes is because they don't make enough money. However, those people pay payroll taxes. See that is what is hidden in the phoney argument; 61% of the people who don't pay income tax actually pay payroll taxes. They also pay other local and state taxes.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetnovack/...taxes-too/
That was my point too, they pay innumerable other taxes, at the federal, state, and local level.
But what they don't grasp, and their rhetoric shows this, those hardworking members of the 47% hate welfare queens too. We hate those who game the system for their benefits, we truly do. The only difference is, we are more likely to have known someone who has used those social programs, or currently rely on such programs, and know that the boogeyman of those types of people are the extreme minority.
This explains the disconnect many elderly white voters have with SS and Medicare, and mentally separating those two programs from social programs, despite them being so. They know they rely on them, they know many of their friends and loved ones rely on them, so they know that these aren't really social programs like Welfare or food stamps, those people are just moochers and internally, they compartmentalize their feelings about social programs to only mean those social programs. The 47% is more likely to know people who have effectively used and benefited from the social programs, as intended, so the scare tactics of WELFARE QUEEN! and EBT FOR DRUGS! don't work as well.
And as for being tired of something, try working two jobs to support your family and being sh*t on by a guy like Romney for not earning enough to pay income taxes. Try riding a bus from one job to the next, wondering how you're going to pay rent and knowing you can't afford a mediocre christmas for your kids, and then hearing Romney campaign on the 'WAHHH OBAMA IS ATTACKING THE RICH! WAAHHHH' line. Knowing you can't afford to help your kids go to college and having Romney state 'WELL Y U NO BORROW MONEY FROM YOUR PARENTS?!'. That's what the Right doesn't understand, they claim to be the party of the worker, but from a workers point of view, that's an absurd construct.
Some valid points. But try to see it from the other side:
My father did everything right. He served his country (Korean War vet), went to college and got a degree, and then had a very successful business career with a top 5 corporation. But while we were kids, he was paying 50%+ of his income in taxes (local suburban taxes, NYC income taxes, NY state taxes, federal taxes). He would essentially work January to July for the government, then August to December for his family. That's just sick.
If he went to college, he did so on the backs of american taxpayers. His business thrived because of infrastructure paid for by others, his employees education was paid for by others, his higher likelihood of overall health was paid for by others. Your father might have done everything right but that doesn't preclude him from accepting where and how others, through the programs and process of the government, helped him achieve what he did.
As for his tax rate, did he get nothing in return for that? How much of that went to SS or Medicaid, programs that you receive returns on? Even if he wasn't ever on Welfare, does he not benefit from having it available as a societal safety net?
For instance; If I buy health insurance and pay more into it than I receive from it every year, am I still not gaining a benefit from having it? At the personal level, no, and that's where you draw the line. But everything in life, *ESPECIALLY ONES HEALTH* boils down to a random number generator. You can weigh it accordingly, say by eating right or not smoking, but in the end, most diseases are just a result of relatively random events that one cannot control, or had no knowledge at the time of their ability to control it (think asbestos/early radiologists). This simple concept can be found true in most aspects of ones life, and the problem is the way you choose to look at it. Instead of being upset over paying for welfare for others, be thankful that, holy sh*t, I'm lucky enough to never having had to use it. Instead of being upset that you paid for health insurance and didn't get your moneys worth, be happy that, holy sh*t, you're healthy enough that you didn't have to use your insurance this year. But if you focus on these small, partisan specific microtransactions that you see no benefit from, you lose sight of the overall positive or negative effects your views have.
(This post was last modified: 11-10-2012 04:23 PM by UCF08.)
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What is it in minority culture .....
