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(11-09-2012 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  [quote='VA49er' pid='8491746' dateline='1352474607']
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They get Harvard, Yale, Princeton.. We get Alabama's business program (it's up there with those three). We get to keep Rice and Tulane. Along with Georgia Tech, Duke, and Wake Forest.

We keep the best football teams. We keep most of the best basketball teams (college hoops).

Let's not forget about Vanderbilt too.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
We may 'get' Rice, Tulane, Vandy, Duke, but what happens when all of the professors there move to NY?
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(11-09-2012 10:44 AM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(11-09-2012 10:39 AM)gdunn Wrote:  We inherit the wars apparently, but we also inherit Ft. Benning and Ft. Bragg. Benning is home to the Rangers and Bragg is home to the 82nd Airborne, Special Forces, and Delta Force.

We also get Ft. Knox.

Then to be fair, the blue states get the SEALS and military academies

Ha.. True.. But I'll take the Delta Force boys over a SEAL.
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(11-09-2012 10:48 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I don't care who you are, this is funny:

Ya'll gonna look like the 70s before it's all said and done.. Wearing polyester shirts.. Looking for gas.


and the pretty women................. GAME SET and MATCH.

True Dat'

Ya all can stay.

It's really funny, one can't function without the other. Blue States need Red States and vice versa. But our politics screw us up.

I was about to drop my next bomb when you gave up the ghost.. I was going to let you know you can absorb all the debt for bailing out the car manufactures in Detroit.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
A serious book on this subject of allowing the South to secede was released last month, and the author did an interesting interview with Daily Kos.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/14...-Secession
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/21...-secession

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Excerpts from the book:

Quote:Hang out in my living room on any national election night and at some point in the evening, usually around 7 p.m. Pacific time, you're almost certain to hear me scream something like: "Why in the hell does the United States—and by extension the entire free world, capitalist dominion, and all of Christendom—allow its government to be held hostage by a coalition of bought-and-paid-for political swamp scum from the most uneducated, morbidly obese, racist, indigent, xenophobic, socially stunted, and generally ass-backwards part of the country?"

Quote:The Solid South's evangelical rigidity of thought not only confers upon the region an inordinate influence in presidential politics, it enables the South to assume a disproportionate control of Congress through the assumption of congressional committee chairmanships. The seniority system for chairmanships adopted by Congress in 1910 has allowed change-fearing southern voters—who tend more than others to return the same officials to Washington year in and out—to seize control of House and Senate leadership positions. Thus have the most reactionary and entrenched politicians in the country wrested control of the laws and policies of the entire nation

Quote:The South is bad for the American economy in the same way that China and Mexico are bad for the American economy. By keeping corporate taxes low, schools underfunded, and workers' rights to organize negligible, it's southern politicians who make it so. By separating itself from this suppurating cancer in our midst, the rest of the country would at least be able to deal with the South as it would any other Third World entity, rather than as the in-house parasite that bleeds the country far more than it contributes to its collective health.

Quote:What the majority of southerners are, and always have been … is willing to allow the most strident, mouth-breathing "patriotic" firebrands among them to remain in control of their society's most powerful and influential positions. This is true whether they operate in the realms of religion, politics, business, education, or just basic day-to-day civic operations, like the hamlet nabobs in Laurens, South Carolina, who, knowing it's wrong, still grant a business license to a guy who sells Klan **** from a shop in front of their picturesque little courthouse....

Maybe the fanatics do represent a minority, say one in three southerners—that's a fair guess, in my estimation. That's still an extremely potent one-in-three that the rest of the South enables—or succumbs to—or aligns with—or votes for—year after year, decade after decade, century after century. Theirs are the voices that perpetuate the agenda because theirs are the voices that ring with the most sincerity, that are most bereft of apology, that in their bellicosity resonate as the most authentically "southern." If there's one thing about the South that hasn't ever changed it's the hypnotic influence of the angry crusader.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
(11-09-2012 10:58 AM)Middle Ages Wrote:  We may 'get' Rice, Tulane, Vandy, Duke, but what happens when all of the professors there move to NY?

A steady paycheck is a pretty poweful motivator to hold on to one's status quo.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
Yea the guy that wrote that book is a nut job. I've read some of the stuff he puts out there.. Considering he's never lived in the South, he's sure knowledgeable about the subject. That's like me writing a book about the hard life of those in Boise, Idaho.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
(11-09-2012 10:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We in New York intend to form our own country and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware that includes California, Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and the rest of the Northeast.

No, no, no. Please splice up Michigan, too. May The Enlightened States of America (E.S.A.) get 'blue' disaster cities like Detroit and Flint, and leave the rest of the state alone. Thank you.

(11-09-2012 10:14 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  We get Hollywood.

That's a "good" thing?
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
These sorts of secession-jokes crop up after every election. I know that in December 2004 there was some talk -- not completely serious but not completely in jest, either -- of reviving the Republic of Vermont. A group of people actually sponsored some sort of discussion-conference in Burlington VT and it got polite coverage in the leftwing media (The Nation, for example)

Politically, secession is (of course) a moot point so I rarely participate in these discussions, but just for the record I will readily admit that I feel no sense of kinship or connection with "Blue States" at all, and if there really were some practical way to split America in half -- the "D+" areas in "their" half and the "R+" areas in "our" half, I would gladly agree to it. I think it would be good for "Blues", good for "Reds" and probably good for the rest of the world, too.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
We get the majority of oil reserves and refineries, not to mention a clear path for the pipeline from canada.
Don't really get the comments about the "best beaches" California is cold and FL is overcrowded.
Red states account for 57.5% of the military so good luck defending yourselves.
Blue states get the financial burden of the unions, not to mention a virtually bankrupt California.

Overall though the winners are college football, good college basketball, beautiful women, better food, and better weather.
Just understand our borders will be closed, so Fl will be returning to the red states shortly.
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(11-09-2012 12:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  These sorts of secession-jokes crop up after every election. I know that in December 2004 there was some talk -- not completely serious but not completely in jest, either -- of reviving the Republic of Vermont. A group of people actually sponsored some sort of discussion-conference in Burlington VT and it got polite coverage in the leftwing media (The Nation, for example)

Politically, secession is (of course) a moot point so I rarely participate in these discussions, but just for the record I will readily admit that I feel no sense of kinship or connection with "Blue States" at all, and if there really were some practical way to split America in half -- the "D+" areas in "their" half and the "R+" areas in "our" half, I would gladly agree to it. I think it would be good for "Blues", good for "Reds" and probably good for the rest of the world, too.

To me, allowing the split of this country would be a betrayal of my relatives who split blood at Shiloh, and suffered through Andersonville, and miraculously survived the Sultana to preserve this Union. I could never support it and would fight any effort to destroy it. Whether it be politically or, as a last resort, with my life.
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Relax

It ain't happenin'. And if it is, it ain't any time soon.
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Dear Blue States:

Imagine our relief that you've decided to secede and form some sort of bathing-optional commune headquartered in California. The money we'll save in aspirin, now that we won't have headaches from listening to your interminable whining, will be worth it to us alone.

We'll finally be rid of you lazy, moping, latte-sucking Streisand fans now that you're actually going to follow through--for once--on your promise to finally get off your butts and leave, as so many of you claimed you would every election cycle and then chickened out of actually doing.

But not so fast. You don't get to take all the Blue States with you--just the Blue parts.

You see, your Blue States aren't actually "blue." Mostly, they're states full of Red counties with pockets of Blue urban blight in them, who vote Democratic in such numbers that if the same results came out of a Third World country which, come to think of it, many of the "Blue" counties pretty much are--we'd think it was fraud and send election observers from the UN. Even California is pretty much a Red State.

So, the bottom lines is that you don't get the Blue States. Those states have lots of towns and counties that would rather blow their dams and flood themselves out of existence rather than go with you. No, instead, you get the Blue Cities.

But we really feel we owe you full disclosure on this exchange. This might come as an unpleasant surprise, but you don't actually get the lower divorce and single-motherhood rates and all that other good stuff you think you're going to snag. Those are the conditions that are actually found out in the Red counties, pardner, not in the Blue cities, and you can't have them.

Instead you get the urban single moms, not the soccer moms; the drug addicts, not the doctors; the waiters, not the chefs. You get the fine service you've come to expect from the brutal and corrupt inner-city police departments. You get the abysmal literacy rates and schools that are more dangerous than most prisons. You get the labor union shakedown artists, "teachers" who can't pass tests in their own subject, and city government leaders for whom graft, racial spoils systems, and outright theft are a way of life. They're all very enthusiastic Blue voters, as you know, and we're sure they'll stampede their way to New California to start draining your wallets, wrecking your schools, and in general making a mess of your lives. (And don't come complaining back to us when socialist central planning does for New California what it did for garden spots like East Berlin and Pyongyang. We're putting a strict visa system into place once you all go.)

We, on the other hand, get those Red city suburbs and rural districts. You know, the ones with the good schools, the high property values, the quiet streets and the sheriffs and cops who don't need to walk around armored up.

And don't even think about keeping the National Parks, the wide open spaces, all those water resources, and all the rest of America's natural splendor, since those are all pretty much located in Red counties. Hell, we even get most of Oregon and Washington ...ain't it ironic? You get the urban liberals in Portland and Seattle and their friends in important social organizations (like, say, drug-running street gangs) and we get the rest of the Northwest. Ok by us; we'd be fools not to take you up on it.

So here's how it works. All of you liberals, please feel free to look at a map of the electoral results county by county in each state, and take the people with you who've made it clear they'd like to go.

That means you get places like downtown Pittsburgh and Philadelphia, and we get to keep the rest of beautiful Pennsylvania, thank you. You get to administer bloated public services to the violent, drug-addled, gunslinging populations of delightful inner-city sinkholes of poverty and corruption such as Miami, St. Louis, and the ever-popular District of Columbia--which has been governed by liberals (and the occasional crackhead) for so long and so incompetently that any semblance of order has broken down (beyond the carefully guarded borders of your Georgetown bistros, natch) to the point where even the mayor once asked the President to have the city patrolled by National Guardsmen. Lucky you, it's all yours--enjoy it in good health, and don't forget to wear your Kevlar...Blue "voters" up there in Northeast DC tend to be jumpy on the ol' trigger finger.

In fact, all around our great nation, you get to keep all the Blue voters who've made urban war zones like downtown Detroit--a Blue bastion, of course--the proud showplaces they are today. We get the rest of Blue states like Michigan and Wisconsin and Illinois and...well, frankly, just about every state in the Union with the exception of Hawaii and New England--and even there, we'll just hang on to a couple of chunks of New Hampshire and Connecticut.

So that's the deal. You get the cities, with all the crime, crack mommies, and corruption you can stand. And sure, you get many of the elite colleges too, with the professors who think that terrorists in Fallujah are freedom fighters and that the people who worked in the Twin Towers on 9/11 were no better than Nazis.

We get the suburbs, the countryside, and all the other beautiful places that remain unspoiled by liberal hypocrisy and addle-brained social experimentation.

And we'd like a favor, too: please keep your sky-high tax and crime rates, since we're happy to have the corporations and jobs that continue to flee your Blue cities into our Red counties. Much appreciated, since our unemployment rates, to say nothing of our crime, single-parenting, and illiteracy rates, are far lower than yours.

Oh, and one last thing. We get the U.S. military, too. Did we mention that part? (You may have forgotten that they're volunteers, and most are happy Red state voters.) Not to worry, though, since we're sure that Islamic fundamentalist terrorists will be more than happy to reach an accommodation with a society that embraces radical feminism, gay marriage, gun control, and hostility to organized religion of any kind. Good luck with that. But one day when some misogynist Saudi freak--who no doubt will sneak into your country by strolling over over the northern border after a few years sucking on the Canadian welfare system you all admire so much--blows up a couple kilos of plutonium on Sunset Boulevard, go send Sean Penn to ask the French for help. We'll be busy that day.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
(11-09-2012 12:13 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  These sorts of secession-jokes crop up after every election. I know that in December 2004 there was some talk -- not completely serious but not completely in jest, either -- of reviving the Republic of Vermont. A group of people actually sponsored some sort of discussion-conference in Burlington VT and it got polite coverage in the leftwing media (The Nation, for example)

Politically, secession is (of course) a moot point so I rarely participate in these discussions, but just for the record I will readily admit that I feel no sense of kinship or connection with "Blue States" at all, and if there really were some practical way to split America in half -- the "D+" areas in "their" half and the "R+" areas in "our" half, I would gladly agree to it. I think it would be good for "Blues", good for "Reds" and probably good for the rest of the world, too.

Same here...Above the NC border?...They can have it. Va is Ok..but Blue is Blue.

Honestly....If the US split peacefully into separate entities it would not bother me in the least. I would not however advocate the use of any force in secession.
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Remember, it's not states that are being subsidized, it's people living in those states. If the red states were somehow to negotiate a secession treaty and leave, the first thing they would do is to cut welfare. Then all the people on the dole would skedaddle to the blue states. And they'd be on the dole there.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
i remember that someone once put together a response letter for this... but it was back in 2005, so it would be kind of out of date.

Quote:the "D+" areas in "their" half and the "R+" areas in "our" half, I would gladly agree to it.

They're leaving California in droves and trying to affect the other states. That's just it, they're like a bunch of bugs.. they eat everything in site, leave behind a husk and move on to the next state
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(11-09-2012 12:33 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  They're leaving California in droves and trying to affect the other states. That's just it, they're like a bunch of bugs.. they eat everything in site, leave behind a husk and move on to the next state
This forum is not for the thin-skinned, and I don't think it ought to be.

But let's try to avoid comparing people with bugs.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
The vast majority of states reside within a 60-40 political split anyhow, so the basic idea of whole states splitting off is what it is, fantasy/conjecture.

I personally don't fit too well in hyper "red" or hyper "blue" areas anyhow. I don't think there's anywhere I'd 'hate', but nothing fits me 100%. There are definitely things I like about Portland, OR, and things I like about the rural Americana, but there are definite things I dislike about both.

I guess I'd take the economic and individualist "red" with the social issues approach of "blue" and create my own purple.
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RE: Saw this on my FB. Reb may want to reconsider that secession remark he made.
(11-09-2012 12:41 PM)Native Georgian Wrote:  
(11-09-2012 12:33 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  They're leaving California in droves and trying to affect the other states. That's just it, they're like a bunch of bugs.. they eat everything in site, leave behind a husk and move on to the next state
This forum is not for the thin-skinned, and I don't think it ought to be.

But let's try to avoid comparing people with bugs.

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(11-09-2012 12:25 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  To me, allowing the split of this country would be a betrayal of my relatives who split blood at Shiloh, and suffered through Andersonville, and miraculously survived the Sultana to preserve this Union.
To have survived the Sultana, that is remarkable, indeed.

My relatives also spilt their blood, and were held as prisoners in those days, too. It was a dark time.

Quote:I could never support it and would fight any effort to destroy it. Whether it be politically or, as a last resort, with my life.
Well, thankfully, it is not going to come to that.
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