In what should become an increasing story line over the next 2 weeks, I am starting to realize that the chances of a MAC team (Toledo, NIU, or Kent) getting a legit shot at being in BCS bowl discussions is increasing. I guess you would have to point to Toledo as having the best shot, but all three can be if they run the table. I really believe after looking over everything, that the MAC deserves the non-AQ bid if one is received. Boise St has done nothing to earn their poll ranking and thus BCS ranking. Boise St has beaten nobody in the top 45 in either of the latest polls. If NIU/Kent/Toledo win out, they will have beaten 2 teams with votes in both polls. The big key into making this happen is for more and more voters to jump on the bandwagon in the AP/Coaches. Which brings me to the question, does the conference need to do anything to increase the profile of the conference to help with this? This is really setting up as a unique opportunity Im not sure we will ever see again. My fear is that voters are simply going through the motions with Boise St, and not looking at things objectively. In my mind Ohio/Kent and NIU/Toledo should not only be MACC semis, but also non-AQ BCS semis

(11-01-2012 03:16 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  In what should become an increasing story line over the next 2 weeks, I am starting to realize that the chances of a MAC team (Toledo, NIU, or Kent) getting a legit shot at being in BCS bowl discussions is increasing. I guess you would have to point to Toledo as having the best shot, but all three can be if they run the table. I really believe after looking over everything, that the MAC deserves the non-AQ bid if one is received. Boise St has done nothing to earn their poll ranking and thus BCS ranking. Boise St has beaten nobody in the top 45 in either of the latest polls. If NIU/Kent/Toledo win out, they will have beaten 2 teams with votes in both polls. The big key into making this happen is for more and more voters to jump on the bandwagon in the AP/Coaches. Which brings me to the question, does the conference need to do anything to increase the profile of the conference to help with this? This is really setting up as a unique opportunity Im not sure we will ever see again. My fear is that voters are simply going through the motions with Boise St, and not looking at things objectively. In my mind Ohio/Kent and NIU/Toledo should not only be MACC semis, but also non-AQ BCS semis

Still a little early, there are plenty of stumbling blocks remaining. IF the MACC is a match up of two 1 loss teams then a case can be made. I still think there is too much distance between the highest ranked MAC teams and BSU and La Tech. La Tech has 2 good teams left to play, USU and SJSU, both with only 2 losses.

(11-01-2012 03:31 PM)CMUprof Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 03:16 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  In what should become an increasing story line over the next 2 weeks, I am starting to realize that the chances of a MAC team (Toledo, NIU, or Kent) getting a legit shot at being in BCS bowl discussions is increasing. I guess you would have to point to Toledo as having the best shot, but all three can be if they run the table. I really believe after looking over everything, that the MAC deserves the non-AQ bid if one is received. Boise St has done nothing to earn their poll ranking and thus BCS ranking. Boise St has beaten nobody in the top 45 in either of the latest polls. If NIU/Kent/Toledo win out, they will have beaten 2 teams with votes in both polls. The big key into making this happen is for more and more voters to jump on the bandwagon in the AP/Coaches. Which brings me to the question, does the conference need to do anything to increase the profile of the conference to help with this? This is really setting up as a unique opportunity Im not sure we will ever see again. My fear is that voters are simply going through the motions with Boise St, and not looking at things objectively. In my mind Ohio/Kent and NIU/Toledo should not only be MACC semis, but also non-AQ BCS semis

Still a little early, there are plenty of stumbling blocks remaining. IF the MACC is a match up of two 1 loss teams then a case can be made. I still think there is too much distance between the highest ranked MAC teams and BSU and La Tech. La Tech has 2 good teams left to play, USU and SJSU, both with only 2 losses.

Both would just have to lose one more game though, Boise St would not be ahead of any 1 loss MAC team.

Lol but it wasn't time to get the word out when Ohio was ranked in the BCS top 25? MAC fans are a joke.

(11-01-2012 04:47 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Lol but it wasn't time to get the word out when Ohio was ranked in the BCS top 25? MAC fans are a joke.

Wow, I think you need basketball season to start hahah. It really wasnt apparent just how strong the MAC was until UT toppled Cincinatti and Kent crushed Rutgers. Those two victories have propelled the MAC into the discussion. Ohio is still a part of that equation if they can run the table the rest of the way. Plus now it appears almost a certainty there will be a 12-1 MAC team going into bowl season.

(11-01-2012 05:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 04:47 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Lol but it wasn't time to get the word out when Ohio was ranked in the BCS top 25? MAC fans are a joke.

Wow, I think you need basketball season to start hahah. It really wasnt apparent just how strong the MAC was until UT toppled Cincinatti and Kent crushed Rutgers. Those two victories have propelled the MAC into the discussion. Ohio is still a part of that equation if they can run the table the rest of the way. Plus now it appears almost a certainty there will be a 12-1 MAC team going into bowl season.

BG may not agree with this. BG controlls their destiny right now, needing wins over Kent, OU , and Buffalo, and the MACC.

(11-01-2012 08:38 PM)DICK Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 05:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 04:47 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Lol but it wasn't time to get the word out when Ohio was ranked in the BCS top 25? MAC fans are a joke.

Wow, I think you need basketball season to start hahah. It really wasnt apparent just how strong the MAC was until UT toppled Cincinatti and Kent crushed Rutgers. Those two victories have propelled the MAC into the discussion. Ohio is still a part of that equation if they can run the table the rest of the way. Plus now it appears almost a certainty there will be a 12-1 MAC team going into bowl season.

BG may not agree with this. BG controlls their destiny right now, needing wins over Kent, OU , and Buffalo, and the MACC.

BG I don't think has the offense to contend with Ohio and Kent State.

(11-01-2012 05:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 04:47 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Lol but it wasn't time to get the word out when Ohio was ranked in the BCS top 25? MAC fans are a joke.

Wow, I think you need basketball season to start hahah. It really wasnt apparent just how strong the MAC was until UT toppled Cincinatti and Kent crushed Rutgers. Those two victories have propelled the MAC into the discussion. Ohio is still a part of that equation if they can run the table the rest of the way. Plus now it appears almost a certainty there will be a 12-1 MAC team going into bowl season.

Propelled the MAC into the discussion?? The MAC led the discussion until Miami upset Ohio. As an undefeated, Ohio.was the favorite non aq to make the BCS.. Now the MAC is the longshot.... I hope the MAC makes the BCS, but it looked a lot better two weeks ago than it does now.

(11-01-2012 10:07 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 05:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 04:47 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Lol but it wasn't time to get the word out when Ohio was ranked in the BCS top 25? MAC fans are a joke.

Wow, I think you need basketball season to start hahah. It really wasnt apparent just how strong the MAC was until UT toppled Cincinatti and Kent crushed Rutgers. Those two victories have propelled the MAC into the discussion. Ohio is still a part of that equation if they can run the table the rest of the way. Plus now it appears almost a certainty there will be a 12-1 MAC team going into bowl season.

Propelled the MAC into the discussion?? The MAC led the discussion until Miami upset Ohio. As an undefeated, Ohio.was the favorite non aq to make the BCS.. Now the MAC is the longshot.... I hope the MAC makes the BCS, but it looked a lot better two weeks ago than it does now.

I think the other thread was premature then and this thread is premature now.

(11-01-2012 10:17 PM)NIUHuskie Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 10:07 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 05:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(11-01-2012 04:47 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Lol but it wasn't time to get the word out when Ohio was ranked in the BCS top 25? MAC fans are a joke.

Wow, I think you need basketball season to start hahah. It really wasnt apparent just how strong the MAC was until UT toppled Cincinatti and Kent crushed Rutgers. Those two victories have propelled the MAC into the discussion. Ohio is still a part of that equation if they can run the table the rest of the way. Plus now it appears almost a certainty there will be a 12-1 MAC team going into bowl season.

Propelled the MAC into the discussion?? The MAC led the discussion until Miami upset Ohio. As an undefeated, Ohio.was the favorite non aq to make the BCS.. Now the MAC is the longshot.... I hope the MAC makes the BCS, but it looked a lot better two weeks ago than it does now.

I think the other thread was premature then and this thread is premature now.

Amen!!!

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Hey optimist. It wasn't time to talk about OU being a BCS buster when they were 5-0 because we knew they wouldn't win out. Look what happened. Until the 8th week when UT upset Cinci, and then in week 9 with KSU's gut shot to Rutgers there shouldn't have been BCS talk.

But no premature talking of BCS for OU???? There were entire threads dedicated to OU breaking the BCS!

The fact remains that Toledo, Kent State, and NIU have picked up your BCS talk slack.... so be thankful??? You have a negative rating on here for a reason.

Boise will be hard to catch since they tarted so much higher than any of our teams. I do think that an undefeated MAC team could do it easily but a one loss team will be very difficult but possible. It will likely require all the non-AQ teams losing that are ahead of us once.

(11-02-2012 01:35 AM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  Hey optimist. It wasn't time to talk about OU being a BCS buster when they were 5-0 because we knew they wouldn't win out. Look what happened.

It was time. Every single reasonable Ohio poster mentioned the single hardest factor was winning out. Winning out was always the biggest factor. All the reasonable Ohio posters in those threads were originally focused on discussing the other (more achievable factors) at play as long as Ohio continued to win out.

Quote:Until the 8th week when UT upset Cinci, and then in week 9 with KSU's gut shot to Rutgers there shouldn't have been BCS talk.

There should be BCS talk before the season starts. That is where I want the MAC to be. Most posters here are content with crowds of 2,000, however.

Quote:But no premature talking of BCS for OU???? There were entire threads dedicated to OU breaking the BCS!

I have zero issue with BCS talk about the MAC now. I have issue with posters acting like Ohio had no shot when undefeated. The MAC is a longshot now, unfortunately. It wasn't that way two weeks ago.

Quote:The fact remains that Toledo, Kent State, and NIU have picked up your BCS talk slack.... so be thankful???

I am thankful that they won. I like a strong MAC

Quote: You have a negative rating on here for a reason.

Correct. I have a negative rating because MAC fans don't like when you bring up the fact that the MAC has a fanbase averaging less than my D-2 Ohio high school at football games, and possibly less than that same high school in basketball. That last point is debatable, since we are pretty bad in basketball.

PS. LK has a +25 rating. Very credible system.

No, you have a negative rating because you are harping on a subject that is a non issue. Instead of focusing on how our entire league can get better, your solution is to kick out the lowest member on the attendance totem pole. The whole idea sounds like a mad man theory from Germany in 30's and 40's.

College sports and conferences don't work that way.

(11-02-2012 08:07 AM)EA3 Wrote:  No, you have a negative rating because you are harping on a subject that is a non issue. Instead of focusing on how our entire league can get better, your solution is to kick out the lowest member on the attendance totem pole. The whole idea sounds like a mad man theory from Germany in 30's and 40's.

College sports and conferences don't work that way.

Exhibit A: Big East kicking out Temple

But we always knew that the Big East was like Nazi Germany.

(11-02-2012 08:42 AM)bobcat95 Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 08:07 AM)EA3 Wrote:  No, you have a negative rating because you are harping on a subject that is a non issue. Instead of focusing on how our entire league can get better, your solution is to kick out the lowest member on the attendance totem pole. The whole idea sounds like a mad man theory from Germany in 30's and 40's.

College sports and conferences don't work that way.

Exhibit A: Big East kicking out Temple

But we always knew that the Big East was like Nazi Germany.

Of course, we aren't a BCS conference either...and shouldn't pretend to act like one.

There is a reason why the BE is extremely unstable, producing subpar results on the football field, and left out of the discussion at the big boy's table now.

If anything, we should not be following ANYTHING the BE thinks is a good idea. Exhibit A: Kicking Temple out...and later readmitting them. Makes them look kind of foolish don't you think?

(11-02-2012 08:01 AM)The Optimist Wrote:  PS. LK has a +25 rating. Very credible system.

He's our very own crazy old aunt in the attic.

(11-02-2012 08:52 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 08:01 AM)The Optimist Wrote:  PS. LK has a +25 rating. Very credible system.

He's our very own crazy old aunt in the attic.

She has a positive rating because

1. She posts regularly and despite the garbage, she manages to post plenty of interesting subject lines and adds to the conversation.

2. She adds to the conversation by talking up Ohio (so exhausting sometimes). But I'd rather have her talk up Ohio, than attack others.

3. She visits plenty of other boards that do not find her quite as annoying.

Not seeing it. The MAC has teams #3, 5, 6, and 7 in the Harris poll for non-BCS teams. That means they need to pass 1 and 2 (Boise State and Louisiana Tech) and pass Nebraska on their way to #16 minimum.

(11-02-2012 08:42 AM)bobcat95 Wrote:  

(11-02-2012 08:07 AM)EA3 Wrote:  No, you have a negative rating because you are harping on a subject that is a non issue. Instead of focusing on how our entire league can get better, your solution is to kick out the lowest member on the attendance totem pole. The whole idea sounds like a mad man theory from Germany in 30's and 40's.

College sports and conferences don't work that way.

Exhibit A: Big East kicking out Temple

But we always knew that the Big East was like Nazi Germany.

Temple was not a full member. Their only job in the BE was football and not did they just suck they showed constantly at the time that they did not care. EMU is a full member and has shown more dedication in trying to succeed than Temple of that day so it is not really a good example.

The only case that I know of that a FBS level conference has kicked out a full member was the MAC kicking out Marshal which was done due to Marshal cheating too much so unless EMU starts cheating badly I highly doubt there is an acceptable reason to kick them out at this time.