(10-26-2012 01:14 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 01:10 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Honestly, You would think these places would have safe rooms. Like that Jodie Foster movie. I don't know. I'm highly highly suspect of anything coming out of the ministry of disinformation 10 days out. I'm sickened by how quick you guys lap this up like spilled milk and a cat.

That's what the safe haven was Mach. You won't last in one forever though and no one was using rockets and mortars on Jodie Foster when she was locked in hers.

Didn't he suffocate in there from the smoke after they burned the place down?

(10-26-2012 01:22 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 01:14 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 01:10 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Honestly, You would think these places would have safe rooms. Like that Jodie Foster movie. I don't know. I'm highly highly suspect of anything coming out of the ministry of disinformation 10 days out. I'm sickened by how quick you guys lap this up like spilled milk and a cat.

That's what the safe haven was Mach. You won't last in one forever though and no one was using rockets and mortars on Jodie Foster when she was locked in hers.

Didn't he suffocate in there from the smoke after they burned the place down?

That is what everyone thinks happened. Hopefully Obama can finally be honest now.

(10-26-2012 12:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The extreme nutjobs know Obama where abouts on that day. he was probably in a campaign event in Ohio. I'm waiting for a credible news outlet to do a story IF and that's a big IF there is one. I've seen too many fast and furious birthery stories to make me suspect of "FoxNews sources" 10 days before an election.

So if Obama can't respond when he's campaigning then what does he do when he's on vacation or playing golf? He has a 24/7 job.

Sandy will be ignored by Obama.

(10-26-2012 12:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The extreme nutjobs know Obama where abouts on that day. he was probably in a campaign event in Ohio. I'm waiting for a credible news outlet to do a story IF and that's a big IF there is one. I've seen too many fast and furious birthery stories to make me suspect of "FoxNews sources" 10 days before an election.

Mach On 9/11 Obama was in DC. Lots of Memorial Services earlier that morning...

See, this is how you know the difference between a LOONEY LEFTER and a reasonable democrat.

"Fox News reported..."

LOONEY LEFT: IT'S FALSE!! FIND A REAL NEWS SOURCE!!!
Reasonable; Let's see if they've got something to back it up before I take Fox at their word.

Quote:Didn't he suffocate in there from the smoke after they burned the place down?

That was the report.. rumour had it they were wanting to kidnap him (For whatever reason..) and they ended up killing him in the process.

Quote:Problem was they didn't send the help when it was asked for.


AND OBAMA MADE THAT CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fox news says the call would have been made by General Petraeus, not President Obama (although Obama could have told him to make the rescue attempt)

All of the information was available to the White House in real time. There was no "fog of war".

Either Obama didn't want to see what was happening, or he saw it and he didn't care. Either way, he sucks.

Really sad, even Clinton was and is a better President than Obama. If you have total disrespect for our military, citizens, and other government employees, you do not deserve to be President of our country. At least Bush and Clinton did what was necessary militarily. I may disagree with the wars or being in so many countries, but if you are over there, you had better be ready to protect and provide the protection needed to US citizens and military personnel from getting killed.

CIA has released a statement saying at no time did they deny a request for help. They go on to say any insinuation to the contrary is false.

"“We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi. Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night—and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades.”

Falling apart around Barry.

(10-26-2012 07:56 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  CIA has released a statement saying at no time did they deny a request for help. They go on to say any insinuation to the contrary is false.

"“We can say with confidence that the Agency reacted quickly to aid our colleagues during that terrible evening in Benghazi. Moreover, no one at any level in the CIA told anybody not to help those in need; claims to the contrary are simply inaccurate. In fact, it is important to remember how many lives were saved by courageous Americans who put their own safety at risk that night—and that some of those selfless Americans gave their lives in the effort to rescue their comrades.”

Falling apart around Barry.

Reading between the lines SECDEF made the call. The only rescue assets with Tactical Air were DoD, under the control of Panetta. He didn't want to pull the trigger or was told not to.

(10-26-2012 01:46 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 12:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The extreme nutjobs know Obama where abouts on that day. he was probably in a campaign event in Ohio. I'm waiting for a credible news outlet to do a story IF and that's a big IF there is one. I've seen too many fast and furious birthery stories to make me suspect of "FoxNews sources" 10 days before an election.

So if Obama can't respond when he's campaigning then what does he do when he's on vacation or playing golf? He has a 24/7 job.

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Read, Mach! You f'n Prog!

This should be the only thread on the board.

This is a national tragedy and disgrace.

(10-26-2012 12:30 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Give me one...... ONE CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE THAT STATES THIS:

clearly been proven that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the white house had live stream and/or live updates from the embassy telling them that at the time of the incident.

I agree- no other news source is reporting this. It doesn't make any sense. It is either totally unfounded- indicting Jennifer Griffin, who has always seemed a pretty solid reporter, or the other networks are ignoring it for some reason. Why would they do that? It is either political, or they seriously doubt the story. If there was even a chance it was true they should be reporting it with caveats. I think it has to be political.
I am trying to imagine a similar situation where Bush was president.

Forbes Link

Excerpt:
"Based on documents released by the House Oversight Committee, the day of the attack on the American consulate in Benghazi, September 11, the White House situation room starts receiving emails at about 1 pm that the mission is under hostile surveillance. The only response was that the Pentagon sends a drone armed with a video camera so that everyone in Washington can see what transpires in real time, as it happens, at the White House, at the State Department, at the Pentagon, at the CIA."

Washington Post

Daily Mail UK link about drones and video

New York Daily News

A different Forbes link about drones and video

Mach, maybe I'm mistaken but it seems other news outlets than FOX are putting out stories now on this debacle.

Also, check out post 53 by WMD Owl. Think for a minute about the intelligence community source providing information to a news source. Don't virtually ALL networks have sources they go to for information? Yes, they do. So is it a stretch to think the intelligence community source gave his (her) information to MULTIPLE news outlets contacts like CBS, ABC, NY Times, CNN, etc...and NOT just FOX?

Could the other news outlets have made the decision to dig deeper to validate specific pieces of the information obtained?

Now, we see almost DAILY stories from multiple sources discussing different aspects of this event.

Mach, you ASKED for other news sources and they have been provided. Do you think the "denied help" story has any truth behind it at all? Or is EVERYONE in the intelligence community and the CIA and all these news agencies simply out to prevent Obama's re-election?

Is it LOGICAL to presume Obama as the CIC was made aware a US Embassy was under attack on the anniversary of 9/11 while said attack was in progress?

Is it LOGICAL to presume those individuals under attack requested immediate and emeregency help from their government?

Is it LOGICAL to presume there is an established protocol to provide such help, pending approvals up the chain of command?

Does EVERYONE AGREE that help was somehow NOT provided throughout the 6-8 hour duration of the attack?

Therefore, is it LOGICAL to presume a decision was made by someone in a key decision-making capacity to NOT provide the help? I am NOT saying Obama overturned a rescue order...I'm simply saying SOMEONE with authority to do so prevented the help.

Is it LOGICAL for the average citizen to express scepticism NOW as more facts emerge about the attack keeping in mind:
a) the Administration kept pushing the YouTube video reason for about 10 days after the Benghazi attack?
b) the drone was sending videos of the attack live to the White House?
c) VP Biden openly claimed in his debate this was a CIA intelligence failure?
d) Obama went to his Las Vegas campaign fundraiser the next day?

So, is it LOGICAL to presume some major mistake or miscommunication or dereliction is being hidden at a high level until AFTER the Nov 6 election?

(10-28-2012 08:25 AM)boss man Wrote:  Mach, maybe I'm mistaken but it seems other news outlets than FOX are putting out stories now on this debacle.

Also, check out post 53 by WMD Owl. Think for a minute about the intelligence community source providing information to a news source. Don't virtually ALL networks have sources they go to for information? Yes, they do. So is it a stretch to think the intelligence community source gave his (her) information to MULTIPLE news outlets contacts like CBS, ABC, NY Times, CNN, etc...and NOT just FOX?

Could the other news outlets have made the decision to dig deeper to validate specific pieces of the information obtained?

Now, we see almost DAILY stories from multiple sources discussing different aspects of this event.

Mach, you ASKED for other news sources and they have been provided. Do you think the "denied help" story has any truth behind it at all? Or is EVERYONE in the intelligence community and the CIA and all these news agencies simply out to prevent Obama's re-election?

Is it LOGICAL to presume Obama as the CIC was made aware a US Embassy was under attack on the anniversary of 9/11 while said attack was in progress?

Is it LOGICAL to presume those individuals under attack requested immediate and emeregency help from their government?

Is it LOGICAL to presume there is an established protocol to provide such help, pending approvals up the chain of command?

Does EVERYONE AGREE that help was somehow NOT provided throughout the 6-8 hour duration of the attack?

Therefore, is it LOGICAL to presume a decision was made by someone in a key decision-making capacity to NOT provide the help? I am NOT saying Obama overturned a rescue order...I'm simply saying SOMEONE with authority to do so prevented the help.

Is it LOGICAL for the average citizen to express scepticism NOW as more facts emerge about the attack keeping in mind:
a) the Administration kept pushing the YouTube video reason for about 10 days after the Benghazi attack?
b) the drone was sending videos of the attack live to the White House?
c) VP Biden openly claimed in his debate this was a CIA intelligence failure?
d) Obama went to his Las Vegas campaign fundraiser the next day?

So, is it LOGICAL to presume some major mistake or miscommunication or dereliction is being hidden at a high level until AFTER the Nov 6 election?

excellent post!

Let's just where this one goes

Quote:“There is a rumor — I want to be clear, it’s a rumor — that at least two networks have emails from the National Security Adviser’s office telling a counterterrorism group to stand down,” Gingrich said. “But they were a group in real-time trying to mobilize marines and C-130s and the fighter aircraft, and they were told explicitly by the White House stand down and do nothing. This is not a terrorist action. If that is true, and I’ve been told this by a fairly reliable U.S. senator, if that is true and comes out, I think it raises enormous questions about the president’s role, and Tom Donilon, the National Security Adviser’s role, the Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, who has taken it on his own shoulders, that he said don’t go. And that is, I think, very dubious, given that the president said he had instructions they are supposed to do everything they could to secure American personnel.”

Impeach if reelected.


Thats where this goes...

(10-26-2012 11:08 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Go Ahead and relect The Big O... libtards, so we can impeach is lying sorry ass.

The Big O and his administration sacrificed the lives of Patriots...just to "try" and get reelected.

What a wretched POS the Big O is.

CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

"The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators."


Obama Knew.....

Last October I was angry. I still am. Libtards relected dear leader and now the country will have to suffer through an impeachment.

(05-16-2013 10:09 AM)No Bull Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 11:08 AM)No Bull Wrote:  Go Ahead and relect The Big O... libtards, so we can impeach is lying sorry ass.

The Big O and his administration sacrificed the lives of Patriots...just to "try" and get reelected.

What a wretched POS the Big O is.

CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

"The security officer had a laser on the target that was firing and repeatedly requested back-up support from a Specter gunship, which is commonly used by U.S. Special Operations forces to provide support to Special Operations teams on the ground involved in intense firefights. The fighting at the CIA annex went on for more than four hours -- enough time for any planes based in Sigonella Air base, just 480 miles away, to arrive. Fox News has also learned that two separate Tier One Special operations forces were told to wait, among them Delta Force operators."


Obama Knew.....

Last october i was angry. 9i still am. Libtards relected dear leader and now the country will have to suffer through an impeachment.

He won't be impeached. The best the GOP can hope for is to damage Clinton's shot at the WH.