(10-26-2012 11:43 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 11:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Hey I have a newsflash for you. Mistakes happen. Awful events happen. We mourn national tragedies. We don't try to politicize them. Well, scratch that, we never used to politicize them. It's pathetic, plastic, and transparent. The right is behind and they know it. It's just disgusting the muck they will rake to catch up.

You idiots spent 8 Gdamn years politicizing 9/11 so don't give me that bullsh*t, Prog, and Bush actually DID something about it. This isn't a "mistake"; this is a derelict action on the Commander in Chief of the United States. If there was EVER an impeachable offense, this is one.

Yep. Bush attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Oh, he also ended the group that was started to find OBL because he didn't care about OBL. Come on Rebs the lying and politicizing of this event has to stop.

I have a hard time understanding why this is not being talked about outside of Fox and conservative news outlets. Are those of you that think this is a non-issue just assuming that Jennifer Griffin is lying? Do you think the story of the CIA operatives being told to stand down is a lie? Taking all politics out of it- the story that she reported sounds logical. It also sounds like it could be fairly easily disproved or corroborated given the many specifics, locations and timing cited.

(10-26-2012 11:48 AM)Rebel Wrote:  At what f'n point does our nation's economic health and national security come above you Prog's politics?

I guess never. Prog politics trump all. This nation be damned.

(10-26-2012 11:49 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So Obama was at the live feed from a drone. He saw the embassy under attack? He is dangerously close to going the peace route at all costs Bull. I can see your side here. I'm ACTUALLY understanding it now. He's going the peace route WY WAY too often now. I see, you think Obama directed his military to stand down. No going in to save these guys at the risk of the election. OBAMA MADE THAT CALL!! I mean it's so obvious. I definetly fits the narrative. I mean he has told the Navy to stand down in the face of Somali Pirates. Don't take the shot. He had OBL in his sights and let him escape. He didn't want to offend any Muslims. HE DIDN"T WANT A BLACK HAWK DOWN!!!! I GET IT!!!! Freakin limp wrist.


I'm piecing this narrative together now. I should start watching Fox News. It makes perfect sense.

Are you delusional enough to think the preisdent wasn't advised of the attack as it happened? Seriously? He knew...and everyone knows it...even you deep down in your heart.

When the CIA Annex is under attack and calls for Rescue are ignored, then someone at the Top made the decision to leave these guys hung out to dry.

DoD can move units and aircraft to Sigonella, but without an Execute Order from the National Command Authority, nothing happens in terms of rescue unless someone with Stars on their shoulder decides to disobey Orders.

I think the CIA expected the people at the Annex to destroy the classified materials and do an E&E to be rescued later. I'd prefer to go down fighting myself.

The only two choices are incompetence or dereliction coupled with apathy because he didn't want to hurt his re-election chances. Both reasons not to re-elect the idiot. Personally, I just don't think he gave a fk. At least, not as much as he did his job. American lives be damned. Nothing but pawns to the empty suit.

(10-26-2012 11:15 AM)No Bull Wrote:  I'll paraphrase Maxie...

Obama's fuct

I was thinking more along the lines of Biden. This is a big frakkin deal, Mr President.

(10-26-2012 11:49 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  So Obama was at the live feed from a drone. He saw the embassy under attack? He is dangerously close to going the peace route at all costs Bull. I can see your side here. I'm ACTUALLY understanding it now. He's going the peace route WY WAY too often now. I see, you think Obama directed his military to stand down. No going in to save these guys at the risk of the election. OBAMA MADE THAT CALL!! I mean it's so obvious. I definetly fits the narrative. I mean he has told the Navy to stand down in the face of Somali Pirates. Don't take the shot. He had OBL in his sights and let him escape. He didn't want to offend any Muslims. HE DIDN"T WANT A BLACK HAWK DOWN!!!! I GET IT!!!! Freakin limp wrist.


I'm piecing this narrative together now. I should start watching Fox News. It makes perfect sense.

A lot of people think the Big O knew about the attack during the attack... Including the Speaker of the House.

What did Obama know...and when did he know it....

House Speaker John Boehner sent a letter to President Obama on Thursday asking whether he or senior administration officials had been personally briefed about security at the consulate in Benghazi by Ambassador Stevens. The Ohio Republican also asked if military options were considered by the White House during or immediately after the attack.

(10-26-2012 11:56 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  When the CIA Annex is under attack and calls for Rescue are ignored, then someone at the Top made the decision to leave these guys hung out to dry.

DoD can move units and aircraft to Sigonella, but without an Execute Order from the National Command Authority, nothing happens in terms of rescue unless someone with Stars on their shoulder decides to disobey Orders.

I think the CIA expected the people at the Annex to destroy the classified materials and do an E&E to be rescued later. I'd prefer to go down fighting myself.

Maybe you can ask Notintheyahoo what happened.

Rebel is beyond hope.

(10-26-2012 11:56 AM)WMD Owl Wrote:  When the CIA Annex is under attack and calls for Rescue are ignored, then someone at the Top made the decision to leave these guys hung out to dry.

DoD can move units and aircraft to Sigonella, but without an Execute Order from the National Command Authority, nothing happens in terms of rescue unless someone with Stars on their shoulder decides to disobey Orders.

I think the CIA expected the people at the Annex to destroy the classified materials and do an E&E to be rescued later. I'd prefer to go down fighting myself.

Yeah- if true (and if I understand the article correctly) what a crappy way for those two guys to go down. They have the mortar position painted and can get no air support for up to four hours- and then they were killed by mortar fire??

If this story is true, I don't even care about the election/ politics of this- whoever is responsible for hanging those guys out to dry needs to be held accountable.

(10-26-2012 12:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Rebel is beyond hope.

I don't understand why you just brush this off, if Bush had this happen, I'm sure the libs would be all over it. I'm not a fan of Romney or a republican. As an independent, all this shows me is that Obama and his underlings (not saying Obama made the decision himself) are not concerned about the safety of US personnel or citizens. This is along the lines of fast and furious to me. There have been numerous reports that the White House did have a live feed and/or live updates during the attacks. Blame Panetta or whoever, but someone pretty high up had to make the decision to not do anything. And the worst part is they've tried to cover it up by blaming a freakin' video tape. It was a pre-planned terrorist attack scheduled for 9/11! They need to stop trying to lie or cover it up. They know it's not about the video tape.

I understand this is the political season but if you actually think Obama made the call not to go in and save people because it would hurt his re election chances. You weren't voting for the guy anyways. It's that simple. Your ideology clouds your interpretation.

(10-26-2012 12:11 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I understand this is the political season but if you actually think Obama made the call not to go in and save people because it would hurt his re election chances. You weren't voting for the guy anyways. It's that simple. Your ideology clouds your interpretation.

I'm not saying he chose not to save them for political reasons. I'm saying that his cover-up narrative that it was a all a videotape was a coverup and they're still pushing that B.S. It's clearly been proven that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the white house had live stream and/or live updates from the embassy telling them that at the time of the incident.

Now, if Obama did not make the decision not to go in and rescue our people, who did? Panetta? Some random general? Why hasn't the administration disciplined the person responsible? Why are they still pushing the videotape B.S.?

The extreme nutjobs know Obama where abouts on that day. he was probably in a campaign event in Ohio. I'm waiting for a credible news outlet to do a story IF and that's a big IF there is one. I've seen too many fast and furious birthery stories to make me suspect of "FoxNews sources" 10 days before an election.

(10-26-2012 12:10 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 12:07 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Rebel is beyond hope.

I don't understand why you just brush this off, if Bush had this happen, I'm sure the libs would be all over it. I'm not a fan of Romney or a republican. As an independent, all this shows me is that Obama and his underlings (not saying Obama made the decision himself) are not concerned about the safety of US personnel or citizens. This is along the lines of fast and furious to me. There have been numerous reports that the White House did have a live feed and/or live updates during the attacks. Blame Panetta or whoever, but someone pretty high up had to make the decision to not do anything. And the worst part is they've tried to cover it up by blaming a freakin' video tape. It was a pre-planned terrorist attack scheduled for 9/11! They need to stop trying to lie or cover it up. They know it's not about the video tape.

This isn't political for me. If this was Romney, I'd be here saying the same sh*t! I take our national security VERY seriously, party, politics, etc., be damned. That's the difference between me and these Progs. They'll protect their own over the nation. Not me.

Give me one...... ONE CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE THAT STATES THIS:

clearly been proven that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the white house had live stream and/or live updates from the embassy telling them that at the time of the incident.

(10-26-2012 12:11 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I understand this is the political season but if you actually think Obama made the call not to go in and save people because it would hurt his re election chances. You weren't voting for the guy anyways. It's that simple. Your ideology clouds your interpretation.

If he didn't then he hired and is responsible for the people who did.

(10-26-2012 12:11 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I understand this is the political season but if you actually think Obama made the call not to go in and save people because it would hurt his re election chances. You weren't voting for the guy anyways. It's that simple. Your ideology clouds your interpretation.

What is "my ideology", fool?

(10-26-2012 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Give me one...... ONE CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE THAT STATES THIS:

clearly been proven that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the white house had live stream and/or live updates from the embassy telling them that at the time of the incident.

Would't matter if it came from DailyKos. You're too beholden to your Messiah and Prog ideology.