Ohhh so you can't find one. Got it!1 Yet you fanatics go on a circle jerk putting Obama at the hands of a drone.

(10-26-2012 12:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The extreme nutjobs know Obama where abouts on that day. he was probably in a campaign event in Ohio. I'm waiting for a credible news outlet to do a story IF and that's a big IF there is one. I've seen too many fast and furious birthery stories to make me suspect of "FoxNews sources" 10 days before an election.

The day after the attack, he went to Vegas for a campaign event. Then I think he flew back and did Leno, or one of those shows he seems to care more about than the country. As for Fast and Furious, what part of a dead agent and many, many dead Mexicans do you not understand? What part of Holder allowing it to happen do you not understand? As for Fox "making up stories 10 days before", go tell Chris Stephens about this "made up story". Oh, right, you can't. He's dead. Lenin had a word for you fools. You won't EVER go against one of your own, even if the nation is more important because, to you, the nation isn't more important. It's all about "your team". It's a game to you.

(10-26-2012 11:20 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Wait for a credible news outlet at least.

At this point in time, name one. None of the TV news outlets really had that much credibility to start with and newspapers are generally decimated. Even the NY Times has serious credibility issues of their own making.

The big problem is that Obama is notoriously indecisive in matters like this and mix in an election and it's not hard for me to conceive that he went full-on catatonic in this situation.

(10-26-2012 12:21 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Ohhh so you can't find one. Got it!1 Yet you fanatics go on a ****** **** putting Obama at the hands of a drone.

He's the COMMANDER IN CHIEF, dolt! Where the fuk was he if he wasn't doing his NUMBER ONE job as CinC? This wasn't a 30 second attack; it was a Gdamn 8 HOUR attack. Chris Stephens works for the state department. Hillary Clinton leads the State Department. Hillary Clinton works for Obama. Another direction, the CIA agents in Libya work for David Petraeus. David Petraeus, who leads the CIA, works for Obama. Need another? The DoD works in conjunction with the NSA. Both people that lead the DoD, Leon Panetta, and the NSA work for who? You guessed it, Obama.

If he didn't know, you are making a case for incompetence as it's his job to know. If he did know, then it's just apathetic dereliction. Which one, Mach?

Reb, you don't wrestle with a pig. You end up dirty and the pig enjoys it. You have plenty of other people in here that lower themselves to your level. You have no interest in a rational discussion.

You have a good one.

(10-26-2012 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Give me one...... ONE CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE THAT STATES THIS:

clearly been proven that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the white house had live stream and/or live updates from the embassy telling them that at the time of the incident.

I don't care if it was "preplaaned" or not. The Consulate was under attack. The actual email from State Dept Ops Center has been publicized, and the email time is 405 PM Eastern on Sept 11. One of the recipients of the Email was the National Security Advisor and another Recipient was the White House Situation Room.

That's notice to Obama. When the email says the consulate is being attacked and overrun I'm sure someone told the President.

(10-26-2012 12:26 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Reb, you don't wrestle with a pig. You end up dirty and the pig enjoys it. You have plenty of other people in here that lower themselves to your level. You have no interest in a rational discussion.

You have a good one.

My attitude towards this issue is VERY warranted. I take national security seriously. As much as you lefties trashed David Petraeus, and we defended him, if he, the CIA director and a conservative, had a hand in refusing support and backup, his ass needs to f'n go yesterday.

(10-26-2012 12:15 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  The extreme nutjobs know Obama where abouts on that day. he was probably in a campaign event in Ohio. I'm waiting for a credible news outlet to do a story IF and that's a big IF there is one. I've seen too many fast and furious birthery stories to make me suspect of "FoxNews sources" 10 days before an election.

They can't call Obama on the road and tell him a U.S. embassy is under seige? I mean Obama gets security briefings every day on his IPAD. Surely he can take a phone call.....

(10-26-2012 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Give me one...... ONE CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE THAT STATES THIS:

clearly been proven that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the white house had live stream and/or live updates from the embassy telling them that at the time of the incident.

RT Link where Panetta admits it was coordinated terrorist attack

Yahoo Link to Libyan President saying it was pre-planned attack

ABC News about quick E-mail alerts from Libya to Administration during attack

Yahoo story about more e-mail stuff

There are also articles out there about predator drones overhead and live communications from personnel during the attack. I've gotta go back to work, but I'll look for more articles later.

(10-26-2012 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Give me one...... ONE CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE THAT STATES THIS:

clearly been proven that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the white house had live stream and/or live updates from the embassy telling them that at the time of the incident.

I agree- no other news source is reporting this. It doesn't make any sense. It is either totally unfounded- indicting Jennifer Griffin, who has always seemed a pretty solid reporter, or the other networks are ignoring it for some reason. Why would they do that? It is either political, or they seriously doubt the story. If there was even a chance it was true they should be reporting it with caveats. I think it has to be political.
I am trying to imagine a similar situation where Bush was president.

And while ALL this is going on, they blamed a video for 2 WEEKS! KNOWING it wasn't due to a video. That damn video came out last summer.

(10-26-2012 12:26 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Reb, you don't wrestle with a pig. You end up dirty and the pig enjoys it. You have plenty of other people in here that lower themselves to your level. You have no interest in a rational discussion.

You have a good one.

In other words...you're losing the debate and you quit....

(10-26-2012 12:30 PM)Middle Ages Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 12:17 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Give me one...... ONE CREDIBLE NEWS SOURCE THAT STATES THIS:

clearly been proven that this was a pre-planned terrorist attack and that the white house had live stream and/or live updates from the embassy telling them that at the time of the incident.

I agree- no other news source is reporting this. It doesn't make any sense. It is either totally unfounded- indicting Jennifer Griffin, who has always seemed a pretty solid reporter, or the other networks are ignoring it for some reason. Why would they do that? It is either political, or they seriously doubt the story. If there was even a chance it was true they would be reporting it with caveats. I am trying to imagine a similar situation where Bush was president.

Someone in the Intelligence Community leaked it to Fox.

As for the Predator feed, you know the White House Situation Room can watch if they want to.

The feeds would go to State and the Pentagon and CIA and NSA and whoever with the right clearance to watch.

I'm not asking Obama to watch it himself, Let a high up NSC person watch it and at least be reachable on an expedited basis.

From No Bull's third article. 2 hours into the attack?

Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four COM (Chief of Mission) personnel are in the compound safe haven,


By reading that e mail you would think he is safe. Mistakes obviously happened but no where in those 4 articles you posted is there ANY evidence of what you guy's are saying. It's pathetic, plastic, and transparent. Perfect for a Hannity show.

(10-26-2012 12:57 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  From No Bull's third article. 2 hours into the attack?

Ambassador Stevens, who is currently in Benghazi, and four COM (Chief of Mission) personnel are in the compound safe haven,


By reading that e mail you would think he is safe. Mistakes obviously happened but no where in those 4 articles you posted is there ANY evidence of what you guy's are saying. It's pathetic, plastic, and transparent. Perfect for a Hannity show.

Mach, you do realize those safe havens are a place of last resort to hide until help arrives when an embassy is under attack? Problem was they didn't send the help when it was asked for.

Problem was they didn't send the help when it was asked for.


AND OBAMA MADE THAT CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is embarassing.

(10-26-2012 01:01 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Problem was they didn't send the help when it was asked for.


AND OBAMA MADE THAT CALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is embarassing.

Are you intentionally being obtuse? Do you honestly believe he was not made aware that the embassy was under attack fairly quickly once word was received? If he didn't make the call then one of his subordinates did and either way as CIC the buck stops with him.

Honestly, You would think these places would have safe rooms. Like that Jodie Foster movie. I don't know. I'm highly highly suspect of anything coming out of the ministry of disinformation 10 days out. I'm sickened by how quick you guys lap this up like spilled milk and a cat.

Are you intentionally being obtuse?


I'm intentionally waiting for the facts to come out. I'm intentionally waiting for a credible news source to report anything that comes close to what you guy's are sprouting. Mistakes were obviously made, but you have NO IDEA when Obama was told. yet you run with the morsel of hope that you can make this a scandal.

(10-26-2012 01:10 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Honestly, You would think these places would have safe rooms. Like that Jodie Foster movie. I don't know. I'm highly highly suspect of anything coming out of the ministry of disinformation 10 days out. I'm sickened by how quick you guys lap this up like spilled milk and a cat.

That's what the safe haven was Mach. You won't last in one forever though and no one was using rockets and mortars on Jodie Foster when she was locked in hers.