(10-14-2012 01:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 12:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There was a point in the first half where ASU's best offensive play was "Offsides...on the defense"

Our stats were incredibly misleading tonight, we dominated USA's defense, but the stupid turnovers and our defenses inability to get off the field on 3rd down kept us from running anywhere close to the number of plays we normally do.

Until the 5 minute mark of the 4th quarter, we had 9 posessions, 5 resulting in touchdowns. 2 in turnovers on the first or 2nd play from scrimmage, one in a fumble inside the 10 yard line, and the final, a 3 and out.

I think if we can fix our defensive penalty problems, we could actually be competitive in our home game with FAU and on the road vs FIU, UNT, and Hawai'i. I think we win at least one of those. So long as we build off this game and fix our self-imposed mistakes.

South Alabama certainly beat themselves a good portion of the night. I had never seen the kicking team commit 2 fouls on the kickoff before until tonight...

I could see you guys beating FAU, and UNT depending on location of games...Not sure on Hawaii.

(10-14-2012 01:01 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 01:00 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 12:57 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  There was a point in the first half where ASU's best offensive play was "Offsides...on the defense"

Our stats were incredibly misleading tonight, we dominated USA's defense, but the stupid turnovers and our defenses inability to get off the field on 3rd down kept us from running anywhere close to the number of plays we normally do.

Until the 5 minute mark of the 4th quarter, we had 9 posessions, 5 resulting in touchdowns. 2 in turnovers on the first or 2nd play from scrimmage, one in a fumble inside the 10 yard line, and the final, a 3 and out.

I think if we can fix our defensive penalty problems, we could actually be competitive in our home game with FAU and on the road vs FIU, UNT, and Hawai'i. I think we win at least one of those. So long as we build off this game and fix our self-imposed mistakes.

South Alabama certainly beat themselves a good portion of the night. I had never seen the kicking team commit 2 fouls on the kickoff before until tonight...

I could see you guys beating FAU, and UNT depending on location of games...Not sure on Hawaii.

And the sad thing is.. The game you saw was USA's BEST performance when it comes to penalties. But they only came on one side of the ball this time. For our first 5 games, they were on both offense and defence. Baby steps.

Our offense was much more productive last night. Still got some penalty issues, but it is getting better too. Good to see what we can do with a choosen starting QB.

Last night atleast gives us Jags fan hope for us getting it together this season and sneaking a win away from someone.

Not too ban a game for South's young Jaguar team. We have finally found a starting qb and what a game he played. You're OK in my book, Ross.

(10-13-2012 10:08 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  What happeneds to States defense?

Well, we gave up a long screen on the first drive of the game, fumbled our first play on offense, fumbled two more times in the first half giving them another FG, shanked two punts giving them the ball at midfield or better an had a punt blocked.

We mere missing our only threat to rush the QB (out with a concussion) and another OLB.

We still gave up to many third and longs.

Our offense scored the most that USA has given up but we only ran 58 plays instead of 80 to 90 because of the turnovers, special teams and USA eating clock.

Very sloppy play.

(10-14-2012 10:29 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2012 10:08 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  What happeneds to States defense?

Well, we gave up a long screen on the first drive of the game, fumbled our first play on offense, fumbled two more times in the first half giving them another FG, shanked two punts giving them the ball at midfield or better an had a punt blocked.

We mere missing our only threat to rush the QB (out with a concussion) and another OLB.

We still gave up to many third and longs.

Our offense scored the most that USA has given up but we only ran 58 plays instead of 80 to 90 because of the turnovers, special teams and USA eating clock.

Very sloppy play.

ASU scored quickly several times in the second half. But USA also shanked a punt (ASU started on USA 35; lead to ASU touchdown) and turned the ball over in the red zone (lead to ASU touchdown) and missed a field goal. We also had 13 penalties while ASU only had two (and one of those was an intentional delay of game penalty). So mistakes go both ways. ASU fans better be thankful for the win because USA could have come out of Jonesboro with a win.

(10-14-2012 10:29 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2012 10:08 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  What happeneds to States defense?

Well, we gave up a long screen on the first drive of the game, fumbled our first play on offense, fumbled two more times in the first half giving them another FG, shanked two punts giving them the ball at midfield or better an had a punt blocked.

We mere missing our only threat to rush the QB (out with a concussion) and another OLB.

We still gave up to many third and longs.

Our offense scored the most that USA has given up but we only ran 58 plays instead of 80 to 90 because of the turnovers, special teams and USA eating clock.

Very sloppy play.

You also make it sound like the fumbles and blocked punt just magically happened with no effort put forth by USA. Aplin needs to stop carrying the ball; he can't take a hit.

(10-14-2012 11:51 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 10:29 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2012 10:08 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  What happeneds to States defense?

Well, we gave up a long screen on the first drive of the game, fumbled our first play on offense, fumbled two more times in the first half giving them another FG, shanked two punts giving them the ball at midfield or better an had a punt blocked.

We mere missing our only threat to rush the QB (out with a concussion) and another OLB.

We still gave up to many third and longs.

Our offense scored the most that USA has given up but we only ran 58 plays instead of 80 to 90 because of the turnovers, special teams and USA eating clock.

Very sloppy play.

ASU scored quickly several times in the second half. But USA also shanked a punt (ASU started on USA 35; lead to ASU touchdown) and turned the ball over in the red zone (lead to ASU touchdown) and missed a field goal. We also had 13 penalties while ASU only had two (and one of those was an intentional delay of game penalty). So mistakes go both ways. ASU fans better be thankful for the win because USA could have come out of Jonesboro with a win.

We didnt score off your turnover. Aplin fumbled.

(10-14-2012 11:55 AM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 10:29 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2012 10:08 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  What happeneds to States defense?

Well, we gave up a long screen on the first drive of the game, fumbled our first play on offense, fumbled two more times in the first half giving them another FG, shanked two punts giving them the ball at midfield or better an had a punt blocked.

We mere missing our only threat to rush the QB (out with a concussion) and another OLB.

We still gave up to many third and longs.

Our offense scored the most that USA has given up but we only ran 58 plays instead of 80 to 90 because of the turnovers, special teams and USA eating clock.

Very sloppy play.

You also make it sound like the fumbles and blocked punt just magically happened with no effort put forth by USA. Aplin needs to stop carrying the ball; he can't take a hit.

The thing is, until this year, Aplin almost never fumbled, and he has always been a heavy runner.

We're not sure whats going on with Aplin, but I continue to hear from people that he hates Malzahn's offense, and he appears to be struggling to understand the system. He's going through stretches where he plays one half looking awful, and the next half looking like the SBC player of the year.

He's not the first current senior who seems to really dislike the new coaching staff...I sometimes wonder if Freeze and Roberts took it too easy on that group.

Oh yeah. It just felt like you scored. Lol.

USA did a great job on offense. Really didn't convert that well on third over the game but I think four times got into 4th and one which was converted.

USA's ratio of drives to drives reaching scoring range was better than WKU or FIU managed against ASU.

As to the ASU offense, 7 of 11 possessions got into scoring position and produced six touchdowns.

The idea Aplin can't take a hit is silly. He has never had trouble with fumbling. Over throwing for picks? Yeah but not fumbling. He hasn't been injury prone either.

I think the core issue is ASU has a group of seniors and juniors who for 2 years were trusted under Freeze to audible and change routes and no longer have that freedom. They've got a championship ring and don't like the new guys tougher discipline rules and tight play expectations.

Saban faced a lack of senior buy in at LSU and Bama and it worked out fine.

Quote:The idea Aplin can't take a hit is silly.

Not if all you saw of ASU was this game, which is true for me. He fumbled a lot from getting tackled. Maybe we're just that good

(10-14-2012 11:55 AM)Tiguar Wrote:  

(10-14-2012 10:29 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(10-13-2012 10:08 PM)wkuhilltopperfan Wrote:  What happeneds to States defense?

Well, we gave up a long screen on the first drive of the game, fumbled our first play on offense, fumbled two more times in the first half giving them another FG, shanked two punts giving them the ball at midfield or better an had a punt blocked.

We mere missing our only threat to rush the QB (out with a concussion) and another OLB.

We still gave up to many third and longs.

Our offense scored the most that USA has given up but we only ran 58 plays instead of 80 to 90 because of the turnovers, special teams and USA eating clock.

Very sloppy play.

You also make it sound like the fumbles and blocked punt just magically happened with no effort put forth by USA. Aplin needs to stop carrying the ball; he can't take a hit.

That is just ridiculous. He is one of the most dangerous QBs in the league running the ball and doesn't fumble much at all.

You guys got some real breaks early with the fumbles and some confidence because of it. I looked at your box scores and against most teams you guys lose the turnover battle by the same type of margin as you won it last night. That is why the game was closer than expected.

No need to get defensive over your QB's inability to protect the ball last night. My only point is the fumbles weren't bad snaps or anything; they literally got knocked out of Aplin's hands. Sure, Aplin had to have butterfingers but USA had to make the play. Don't try to downplay what USA did.

(10-14-2012 01:36 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  

Quote:The idea Aplin can't take a hit is silly.

Not if all you saw of ASU was this game, which is true for me. He fumbled a lot from getting tackled. Maybe we're just that good

If you take the ridiculous viewpoint that a player's ability to take a hit is solely based on one game in four years of starting then you are correct but I suspect out of the entire conference you are alone in your opinion because it is based on 3% of the snaps taken in his career.

(10-14-2012 02:15 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  No need to get defensive over your QB's inability to protect the ball last night. My only point is the fumbles weren't bad snaps or anything; they literally got knocked out of Aplin's hands. Sure, Aplin had to have butterfingers but USA had to make the play. Don't try to downplay what USA did.

Not being defensive. You just have no idea what you are talking about.

I'll retract my statement and say he couldn't take a hit last night if that sounds better for you.

(10-14-2012 02:30 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  I'll retract my statement and say he couldn't take a hit last night if that sounds better for you.

Just retract and say you are wrong.

He fumbled a lot last night from getting hit. Sorry. I get no one wants to lose or almost-lose to the new guy, but get a grip. ASU got out played in the first half, USA got out played in the second.

(10-14-2012 02:33 PM)Tiguar Wrote:  He fumbled a lot last night from getting hit. Sorry. I get no one wants to lose or almost-lose to the new guy, but get a grip. ASU got out played in the first half, USA got out played in the second.

trust me. someone will be the first. and folks will want the coach fired because of it.

we fired 2 coaches the year we went 2-10. there of course were other factors involved but we sealed the deal.

i can't think of anybody on shaky enough legs this year to fire over losing to you.

but you will beat somebody eventually and there will be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth.