(08-30-2012 05:26 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(08-29-2012 10:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(08-29-2012 08:21 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Obama. He keeps the terrorists from attacking. The others are weak on terror.

The guys with the butterfly nets are waiting for you.

You think that it's easy to beat the terrorists.

Easier for Obama than the troops who are actually doing the job.

(08-30-2012 02:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  None of the above..

But if there was a gun to my head? Johnson..

THIS is how bad this country has gotten. Bull is willing to vote for a pro gay marriage (I know Bull really doesn't care about it that much), pro choice, anti drug war, social liberal in order to get someone in office that won't infringe on civil liberties in order to preserve "security" and to right the financial ship. This is the most telling thing I have seen in a long time.

(08-30-2012 08:09 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 02:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  None of the above..

But if there was a gun to my head? Johnson..

THIS is how bad this country has gotten. Bull is willing to vote for a pro gay marriage (I know Bull really doesn't care about it that much), pro choice, anti drug war, social liberal in order to get someone in office that won't infringe on civil liberties in order to preserve "security" and to right the financial ship. This is the most telling thing I have seen in a long time.

THIS is why my vote is for Johnson. I think a lot of his viewpoints are either incorrect or blasphemous, but he understands better than the other two candidates that his personal opinion does not matter. The office of president was designed to be used to limit legislation, enforce existing laws, and protect our liberties and freedoms from those who wish to infringe upon them. And Congress is in the position of the last; they are continuing to infringe upon my rights as a Constitutionally-defined citizen of the United States.

Everyone has a choice. You can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution. The problem is the economy. The solution, to prevent the country from slipping into insolvency, is not Obama or Johnson. Everyone will have to live with their choices. There are many people regretting their choice in 2008 and are much more serious about their choice in 2012. Johnson is not even on their radar.

(08-30-2012 10:35 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Everyone has a choice. You can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution. The problem is the economy. The solution, to prevent the country from slipping into insolvency, is not Obama or Johnson. Everyone will have to live with their choices. There are many people regretting their choice in 2008 and are much more serious about their choice in 2012. Johnson is not even on their radar.

Romney isn't the answer. He is going to expand the military, which is not a very fiscally sound choice.

(08-30-2012 10:35 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Everyone has a choice. You can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution. The problem is the economy. The solution, to prevent the country from slipping into insolvency, is not Obama or Johnson. Everyone will have to live with their choices. There are many people regretting their choice in 2008 and are much more serious about their choice in 2012. Johnson is not even on their radar.

Romney isn't the answer. He is going to expand the military, which is not a very fiscally sound choice.

(08-30-2012 10:35 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Everyone has a choice. You can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution. The problem is the economy. The solution, to prevent the country from slipping into insolvency, is not Obama or Johnson. Everyone will have to live with their choices. There are many people regretting their choice in 2008 and are much more serious about their choice in 2012. Johnson is not even on their radar.

I have zero clue why you think the solution is even on the ballot. Leads me to think that if Lucifer himself had an R beside his name, you'd vote for him no question. You're quite the team player.

(08-30-2012 10:51 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 10:35 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Everyone has a choice. You can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution. The problem is the economy. The solution, to prevent the country from slipping into insolvency, is not Obama or Johnson. Everyone will have to live with their choices. There are many people regretting their choice in 2008 and are much more serious about their choice in 2012. Johnson is not even on their radar.

Romney isn't the answer. He is going to expand the military, which is not a very fiscally sound choice.

Really, the biggest threat is to not have a budget. R&R say their budget will be below 20% GDP. While not enough it is better than anything else on the table. So I don't see an expanding military in that budget.

(08-30-2012 10:57 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 10:51 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 10:35 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Everyone has a choice. You can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution. The problem is the economy. The solution, to prevent the country from slipping into insolvency, is not Obama or Johnson. Everyone will have to live with their choices. There are many people regretting their choice in 2008 and are much more serious about their choice in 2012. Johnson is not even on their radar.

Romney isn't the answer. He is going to expand the military, which is not a very fiscally sound choice.

Really, the biggest threat is to not have a budget. R&R say their budget will be below 20% GDP. While not enough it is better than anything else on the table. So I don't see an expanding military in that budget.

Then you are blind, deaf AND dumb. Of course, we already knew this about you.

(08-30-2012 10:35 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Everyone has a choice. You can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution. The problem is the economy. The solution, to prevent the country from slipping into insolvency, is not Obama or Johnson. Everyone will have to live with their choices. There are many people regretting their choice in 2008 and are much more serious about their choice in 2012. Johnson is not even on their radar.

SOFA, this is one issue where I might agree and disagree with you at the same time, and side with Libertarians.. in a way

The issue _is_ the economy. We're all in agreement. (R's and L's)

Do I think Johnson _could_ get things back on track? I do... based on his Governorship record in NM. I think that Romney's policies/ideas/promises could do it faster (but hey if Johnson can prove me wrong, then so be it).

(08-30-2012 08:09 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 02:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  None of the above..

But if there was a gun to my head? Johnson..

THIS is how bad this country has gotten. Bull is willing to vote for a pro gay marriage (I know Bull really doesn't care about it that much), pro choice, anti drug war, social liberal in order to get someone in office that won't infringe on civil liberties in order to preserve "security" and to right the financial ship. This is the most telling thing I have seen in a long time.

Willing if there was a gun to my head, lets be clear about that. I like Johnson but Abortion is a deal breaker for me. It would be like agreeing with someone on every issue but slavery or rape...

(08-30-2012 11:31 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 08:09 AM)BleedsHuskieRed Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 02:24 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  None of the above..

But if there was a gun to my head? Johnson..

THIS is how bad this country has gotten. Bull is willing to vote for a pro gay marriage (I know Bull really doesn't care about it that much), pro choice, anti drug war, social liberal in order to get someone in office that won't infringe on civil liberties in order to preserve "security" and to right the financial ship. This is the most telling thing I have seen in a long time.

Willing if there was a gun to my head, lets be clear about that. I like Johnson but Abortion is a deal breaker for me. It would be like agreeing with someone on every issue but slavery or rape...

I know what you mean and I know how passionate you are about abortion, which is why I'm shocked you would even with a gun to your head.

(08-30-2012 11:15 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 10:35 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Everyone has a choice. You can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution. The problem is the economy. The solution, to prevent the country from slipping into insolvency, is not Obama or Johnson. Everyone will have to live with their choices. There are many people regretting their choice in 2008 and are much more serious about their choice in 2012. Johnson is not even on their radar.

SOFA, this is one issue where I might agree and disagree with you at the same time, and side with Libertarians.. in a way

The issue _is_ the economy. We're all in agreement. (R's and L's)

Do I think Johnson _could_ get things back on track? I do... based on his Governorship record in NM. I think that Romney's policies/ideas/promises could do it faster (but hey if Johnson can prove me wrong, then so be it).

A vote for Johnson is one you will ultimately regret if Obama wins. Just sayin'.

(08-30-2012 01:27 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 11:15 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 10:35 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Everyone has a choice. You can either be a part of the problem or part of the solution. The problem is the economy. The solution, to prevent the country from slipping into insolvency, is not Obama or Johnson. Everyone will have to live with their choices. There are many people regretting their choice in 2008 and are much more serious about their choice in 2012. Johnson is not even on their radar.

SOFA, this is one issue where I might agree and disagree with you at the same time, and side with Libertarians.. in a way

The issue _is_ the economy. We're all in agreement. (R's and L's)

Do I think Johnson _could_ get things back on track? I do... based on his Governorship record in NM. I think that Romney's policies/ideas/promises could do it faster (but hey if Johnson can prove me wrong, then so be it).

A vote for Johnson is one you will ultimately regret if Obama wins. Just sayin'.

Maybe, but I'm not convinced. It depends on where you live. Here in Tennessee you could vote for Barney and it wouldn't matter. Tennessee is a red state. I'm voting Gary Johnson.

Libertarianism is popular on the Internet because the demographic is younger, and younger people are generally more socially tolerant and more likely to support gay rights and drug legalization. On fiscal issues, they tend to be raised at least middle class, and have less real world experience because they in fact spend so much of their time on the Internet, and see poverty and human suffering in the abstract. With less social contact comes less compassion for your fellow man, and the John Galt "every man is an island" notion has appeal because for all intents and purposes, that might describe you. It can lead to a lack of compassion and even contempt for poor people, who it can be assumed deserve their lot in life. The prospect of war and being drafted to fight the next neocon ME adventure is very real however, so Ron Paul's foreign policy of non-interventionism has its appeal there, for the college crowd.

(08-30-2012 02:11 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Libertarianism is popular on the Internet because the demographic is younger, and younger people are generally more socially tolerant and more likely to support gay rights and drug legalization. On fiscal issues, they tend to be raised at least middle class, and have less real world experience because they in fact spend so much of their time on the Internet, and see poverty and human suffering in the abstract. With less social contact comes less compassion for your fellow man, and the John Galt "every man is an island" notion has appeal because for all intents and purposes, that might describe you. It can lead to a lack of compassion and even contempt for poor people, who it can be assumed deserve their lot in life. The prospect of war and being drafted to fight the next neocon ME adventure is very real however, so Ron Paul's foreign policy of non-interventionism has its appeal there, for the college crowd.

So "They" have enough experience to be socially tolerant but at the same time "They" don't have enough experience to give a damn about people financially. Seems to be an oxymoron or maybe a Maximoron.

(08-30-2012 01:27 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  A vote for Johnson is one you will ultimately regret if Obama wins. Just sayin'.

No vote of mine is going to swing Alabama for Obama.

I actually wish that we could give a vote of No Confidence and stop their bile altogether and elect those who aren't R and D.

(08-30-2012 02:14 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 02:11 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Libertarianism is popular on the Internet because the demographic is younger, and younger people are generally more socially tolerant and more likely to support gay rights and drug legalization. On fiscal issues, they tend to be raised at least middle class, and have less real world experience because they in fact spend so much of their time on the Internet, and see poverty and human suffering in the abstract. With less social contact comes less compassion for your fellow man, and the John Galt "every man is an island" notion has appeal because for all intents and purposes, that might describe you. It can lead to a lack of compassion and even contempt for poor people, who it can be assumed deserve their lot in life. The prospect of war and being drafted to fight the next neocon ME adventure is very real however, so Ron Paul's foreign policy of non-interventionism has its appeal there, for the college crowd.

So "They" have enough experience to be socially tolerant but at the same time "They" don't have enough experience to give a damn about people financially. Seems to be an oxymoron or maybe a Maximoron.

If you're a middle class white kid raised in the 2000s suburbs chances are you know "out" gay people, but you don't know of poverty first or even secondhand.

(08-30-2012 02:51 PM)Max Power Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 02:14 PM)GrayBeard Wrote:  

(08-30-2012 02:11 PM)Max Power Wrote:  Libertarianism is popular on the Internet because the demographic is younger, and younger people are generally more socially tolerant and more likely to support gay rights and drug legalization. On fiscal issues, they tend to be raised at least middle class, and have less real world experience because they in fact spend so much of their time on the Internet, and see poverty and human suffering in the abstract. With less social contact comes less compassion for your fellow man, and the John Galt "every man is an island" notion has appeal because for all intents and purposes, that might describe you. It can lead to a lack of compassion and even contempt for poor people, who it can be assumed deserve their lot in life. The prospect of war and being drafted to fight the next neocon ME adventure is very real however, so Ron Paul's foreign policy of non-interventionism has its appeal there, for the college crowd.

So "They" have enough experience to be socially tolerant but at the same time "They" don't have enough experience to give a damn about people financially. Seems to be an oxymoron or maybe a Maximoron.

If you're a middle class white kid raised in the 2000s suburbs chances are you know "out" gay people, but you don't know of poverty first or even secondhand.

What about the black kids that I know who've gone lib...ertarian.