(07-29-2012 10:51 PM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  a Yankee is anyone who is not a Southerner and not from the West coast. Consisting mostly of but not limited to, any State that fought with the Union.

All of MAC country is considered Yank. I hate it for yall, because to be a true Southener is to be free and blessed.

From an identity standpoint the following generally holds true....

1) New Yorker (crusty urbanite)
2) New England (crusty rural)
3) Appalachian (hillbilly redneck)
3) Southerner (gentile traditions)
5) Texan (brash proud)

The remainder of the country (Midwest/West) is very Americana in personality. Most people in the West originally came from the Midwest. They like to come home and watch TV after work and wax their car in the drive way on the weekend. Very typical American behavior.

There are people in the defined subcultures that might have trouble interacting in environments which are focused on standard american culture.

For example you wouldn't point me out for talking about vacationing at the beach in the office but somebody who is an stubborn hick trying to wearing cowboy boots you would.

The Southerner persona usually would go over OK because that is usually has a classy edge to it.

I can tell you that living in Ohio nobody gives a care about the Civil War and they definitely don't consider themselves Yankees. A lot of people in Ohio identify with Country Music and vacation in Smokey Mountains. They don't vacation in Ocean City or the Jersey Shore. They love Deer Hunting..

Ohioans see themselves as brothers with people who live in the mid south and have distrust for anyone with "Yankee" accent. World War II is the war of importance in their minds as that brought the Interstates. Communities on the Interstates flourished in Ohio and those that were gone withered. People are very community based in Ohio and follow high school sports religiously.

Somebody living in rural Illinois has nothing in common someone in rural Maine....I think there is some commonality between rural North Carolina and Alabama from a cultural standpoint though for sure.

Well, coming from a true Southerner living in the Heart of Dixie, we view Ohio as a Yankee State. sorry to burst your bubble, but that is perception down here.

And, we very much care about the Civil War down here...as well as WWII. My ancestor is Colonol William C. Oates, who led the Alabama charge on Little Round Top at Gettysburg and lost his arm. He went on to become Govenor of Alabama. My family is very proud of our Confederate tradition. My family has fought in every war of this country, always on the side of freedom.

(07-30-2012 12:02 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Well, coming from a true Southerner living in the Heart of Dixie, we view Ohio as a Yankee State. sorry to burst your bubble, but that is perception down here.

And, we very much care about the Civil War down here...as well as WWII. My ancestor is Colonol William C. Oates, who led the Alabama charge on Little Round Top at Gettysburg and lost his arm. He went on to become Govenor of Alabama. My family is very proud of our Confederate tradition. My family has fought in every war of this country, always on the side of freedom.

Have you thought that maybe...its just you? With that kind of personal connection I would be interested in the Civil War too.

In the cities of Northeast Ohio people trend toward the East Coast and do travel to NYC since its only 8 hours away and often are Italian, Jewish and Lebanese which immigrated almost exclusively post civil war. They fit in more with that Yankee vibe.

The rank and file suburban/small town Ohioan though is protestant and feels kinship with the people of Kentucky and Tennessee. They like to travel to Tennessee for Country Music and NASCAR. The autobelt runs from Detroit to Cincinnati so their is a strong interest in auto racing. Many people migrated from Kentucky and Tennessee to work in the auto industry in Dayton and Cincinnati.

MAC schools with a few exceptions are residential campuses in small towns that draw in students from small towns or suburban settings. They aren't a bunch of crusty New Englanders/New Yorker "Yankee" types.

(07-30-2012 12:02 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Well, coming from a true Southerner living in the Heart of Dixie, we view Ohio as a Yankee State. sorry to burst your bubble, but that is perception down here.

And, we very much care about the Civil War down here...as well as WWII. My ancestor is Colonol William C. Oates, who led the Alabama charge on Little Round Top at Gettysburg and lost his arm. He went on to become Govenor of Alabama. My family is very proud of our Confederate tradition. My family has fought in every war of this country, always on the side of freedom.

The further I got into your post the more southern my accent became. cheers.

edit: again maybe it is just the alcohol.

No family should be proud of their confederate tradition. It was a stain on America and should be looked upon as such. It's like flying a Nazi flag in Germany and being proud of it. I may be from the south but I live by this mantra..."Cajun by birth, Southern because that's where they decided to dump us."

Ok,

Could we perhaps move this back on track on whether our new found confrence mates may or may not want an MWC invite?

(07-29-2012 11:54 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  From an identity standpoint the following generally holds true....

1) New Yorker (crusty urbanite)
2) New England (crusty rural)
3) Appalachian (hillbilly redneck)
3) Southerner (gentile traditions)
5) Texan (brash proud)

Youre crazy. 80% of App State's students come from Charlotte, Winston Salem, Greensboro, and Raleigh/Durham. NC cities can hardly be considered Southern.

(07-30-2012 12:02 AM)Burn the Horse Wrote:  Well, coming from a true Southerner living in the Heart of Dixie, we view Ohio as a Yankee State. sorry to burst your bubble, but that is perception down here.

And, we very much care about the Civil War down here...as well as WWII. My ancestor is Colonol William C. Oates, who led the Alabama charge on Little Round Top at Gettysburg and lost his arm. He went on to become Govenor of Alabama. My family is very proud of our Confederate tradition. My family has fought in every war of this country, always on the side of freedom.

LOL have you been watching Sweet Home Alabama again on TNT. Say hello to Melanie Smooter over at the Carmicheal Plantation for me.

(07-30-2012 11:08 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-29-2012 11:54 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  From an identity standpoint the following generally holds true....

1) New Yorker (crusty urbanite)
2) New England (crusty rural)
3) Appalachian (hillbilly redneck)
3) Southerner (gentile traditions)
5) Texan (brash proud)

Youre crazy. 80% of App State's students come from Charlotte, Winston Salem, Greensboro, and Raleigh/Durham. NC cities can hardly be considered Southern.

NC cities cannot be considered Southern ?

(07-30-2012 11:18 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 11:08 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-29-2012 11:54 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  From an identity standpoint the following generally holds true....

1) New Yorker (crusty urbanite)
2) New England (crusty rural)
3) Appalachian (hillbilly redneck)
3) Southerner (gentile traditions)
5) Texan (brash proud)

Youre crazy. 80% of App State's students come from Charlotte, Winston Salem, Greensboro, and Raleigh/Durham. NC cities can hardly be considered Southern.

NC cities cannot be considered Southern ?

Nope. NC is one of the fastest growing states in the nation, and most of them arent coming from the South. All the old Southern mom and pop businesses are going bust.

(07-30-2012 11:24 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 11:18 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 11:08 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-29-2012 11:54 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  From an identity standpoint the following generally holds true....

1) New Yorker (crusty urbanite)
2) New England (crusty rural)
3) Appalachian (hillbilly redneck)
3) Southerner (gentile traditions)
5) Texan (brash proud)

Youre crazy. 80% of App State's students come from Charlotte, Winston Salem, Greensboro, and Raleigh/Durham. NC cities can hardly be considered Southern.

NC cities cannot be considered Southern ?

Nope. NC is one of the fastest growing states in the nation, and most of them arent coming from the South.

Nashville has recently added a TON of folks from the Northeast, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Ohio, etc, but will ALWAYS be Southern (and proud of it).

I'm still trying to figure out what that sophisticated "non-Southern" lady said in Asheville with her thick Southern drawl, which I loved.

(07-30-2012 11:03 AM)OwlFamily Wrote:  Ok,

Could we perhaps move this back on track on whether our new found confrence mates may or may not want an MWC invite?

i think it's splendid!!! as is.

(07-30-2012 11:24 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 11:18 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 11:08 AM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-29-2012 11:54 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  From an identity standpoint the following generally holds true....

1) New Yorker (crusty urbanite)
2) New England (crusty rural)
3) Appalachian (hillbilly redneck)
3) Southerner (gentile traditions)
5) Texan (brash proud)

Youre crazy. 80% of App State's students come from Charlotte, Winston Salem, Greensboro, and Raleigh/Durham. NC cities can hardly be considered Southern.

NC cities cannot be considered Southern ?

Nope. NC is one of the fastest growing states in the nation, and most of them arent coming from the South. All the old Southern mom and pop businesses are going bust.

That does not mean nothing. The State of Georgia is growing faster than North Carolina and most people moving here are from up north. But Georgia is still a Southern State regardless.

(07-30-2012 12:02 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Now Boone is not Southern ?

I have been to Boone many a time. Newsflash-- you are Southern.

Do Mount Pilot residents now have Jersey accents.

Boone is definately NOT Southern. Hippies do not sell "healing rocks" in Southern towns.

(07-30-2012 12:11 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 12:02 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Now Boone is not Southern ?

I have been to Boone many a time. Newsflash-- you are Southern.

Do Mount Pilot residents now have Jersey accents.

Boone is definately NOT Southern. Hippies do not sell "healing rocks" in Southern towns.

Boone is very Southern. North Carolina cities are Southern. Boone may seem like Aspen, but regardless of how many hippies come into town selling rocks, they are just passing through.

(07-30-2012 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 12:11 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 12:02 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Now Boone is not Southern ?

I have been to Boone many a time. Newsflash-- you are Southern.

Do Mount Pilot residents now have Jersey accents.

Boone is definately NOT Southern. Hippies do not sell "healing rocks" in Southern towns.

Boone is very Southern. North Carolina cities are Southern. Boone may seem like Aspen, but regardless of how many hippies come into town selling rocks, they are just passing through.

any college town has hippies.

except for maybe troy alabammer. i'm not feeling hippies there.

western has 20k undergrads. plenty o' hippies in that group.

yet bowling green still has a southern feel to it. louieville.....2 hours up the road has a very northern (not yankee) industrial feel to it. very different from nashville.

(07-30-2012 12:20 PM)CrazyCajun Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 10:53 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  No family should be proud of their confederate tradition. It was a stain on America and should be looked upon as such. It's like flying a Nazi flag in Germany and being proud of it. I may be from the south but I live by this mantra..."Cajun by birth, Southern because that's where they decided to dump us."

CajunHawk, war is not entirely a moral act regardless of the cause including slavery. For many people like yourself, the Civil War is simplistically viewed in black and white. Keep in mind that the Civil War was predominately fought on southern soil and by non slave owners. To many southern people, they were fighting for a way of life and independent thinking. Watching many of their towns and cities come under siege during military battle; having medical supplies cut off from ordinary citizens and watching thousands die from disease outbreaks like Small Pox, Malaria and Yellow Fever only embolden the common folk to fight even more. Northern armies raided local farms and villages, taking everything from live stock, poultry and crops from ordinary citizens. Often leaving the families behind to starve with no economic means to survive and to those people the call to duty to defend family and property was a noble cause.

And I would be very careful in comparing southerners to “Nazis” when in fact our sitting president at the time Abraham Lincoln had little regard for the civil rights of dissenting Americans in the North. It was Lincoln that waived Habeas Corpus and Posse Comitatus allowing the arrest of thousands of anti-war dissenters and shutting down newspapers in the north. It was also Lincoln that was willing to negotiate to allow slavery to continue in the south in order to preserve the Union.

While no one is suggesting fighting for slavery was a noble cause, defending family and property from a brutal enemy was indeed to many southerners a righteous cause. Sadly the Civil War will continue to be the most divisive event ever to take place on American soil because of the ignorance of many on both sides of the debate. Southerners have a unique view because many stories of the Civil War were handed down from generation to generation; those stories are viewed through the prism of a war literally fought in their own back yards, watching the deaths of family and neighbors and eventually occupation under Marshall Law.

To this day I still do not understand why the North thought that states could not leave, especially since a group of NE states threatened to leave the union a few years before the War of Northern Agression. Add to that, if South Carolina is not in the union why were union troops occupying Fort Sumter.

(07-30-2012 01:52 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 12:11 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 12:02 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Now Boone is not Southern ?

I have been to Boone many a time. Newsflash-- you are Southern.

Do Mount Pilot residents now have Jersey accents.

Boone is definately NOT Southern. Hippies do not sell "healing rocks" in Southern towns.

Boone is very Southern. North Carolina cities are Southern. Boone may seem like Aspen, but regardless of how many hippies come into town selling rocks, they are just passing through.

any college town has hippies.

except for maybe troy alabammer. i'm not feeling hippies there.

western has 20k undergrads. plenty o' hippies in that group.

yet bowling green still has a southern feel to it. louieville.....2 hours up the road has a very northern (not yankee) industrial feel to it. very different from nashville.

Beed is as Southern as Mr. James Bean.

Also, wasn't Anthony Winchester from Indiana ? His accent was a Southern as they come.

(07-30-2012 02:17 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 01:52 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 01:49 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 12:11 PM)Glassonion Wrote:  

(07-30-2012 12:02 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Now Boone is not Southern ?

I have been to Boone many a time. Newsflash-- you are Southern.

Do Mount Pilot residents now have Jersey accents.

Boone is definately NOT Southern. Hippies do not sell "healing rocks" in Southern towns.

Boone is very Southern. North Carolina cities are Southern. Boone may seem like Aspen, but regardless of how many hippies come into town selling rocks, they are just passing through.

any college town has hippies.

except for maybe troy alabammer. i'm not feeling hippies there.

western has 20k undergrads. plenty o' hippies in that group.

yet bowling green still has a southern feel to it. louieville.....2 hours up the road has a very northern (not yankee) industrial feel to it. very different from nashville.

Beed is as Southern as Mr. James Bean.

Also, wasn't Anthony Winchester from Indiana ? His accent was a Southern as they come.

born in orlando flarda kajunraidah. all my paternal relatives still reside in central flarda. flarda is the same buncha crackers you'll find in bammer and georgia....just more beaches.

a-dub was from austin indiana. it's less than an hour north of louieville.

the folks in louiville might have a southern accent and the ladies all love wearing their big hats the first weekend in may but from spending a bit of time up there i like nashville much better. much more southern feel to it.

but if you watched the firebombings during the 70's bussing in louieville on the news you'll remember they are/were every bit as racist as their southern cousins.