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(07-26-2012 11:12 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 10:44 AM)jarmzet Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 01:30 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  In case you didn't know or just so short sighted you didn't realize. Marshall has already put its time in the MAC. We run that conference from 97-04. Being in the MAC title game 6 out of the 8 years we were there and winning it 5 times.

I knew Marshall used to be in the MAC and to the MAC it should return! = )

And UTSA should be DIII. You will be a BUST. Once UTSA has 2-10 3-9, seasons the KFC will wear off and you will have 8,000 fans in the stands.

Your facilities SUCK. The Alamo dome doesn't belong to you. So you can't claim it. The most you have ever had for a basketball game is 1553. OOOO Wow, thats really impressive. UTSA has no history at anything.

Just wait till you start playing WAC/CUSA, your DII athletes will start to get blown out.

Two CUSAers trading smack on the Sun Belt board.
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(07-26-2012 11:12 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 10:44 AM)jarmzet Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 01:30 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  In case you didn't know or just so short sighted you didn't realize. Marshall has already put its time in the MAC. We run that conference from 97-04. Being in the MAC title game 6 out of the 8 years we were there and winning it 5 times.

I knew Marshall used to be in the MAC and to the MAC it should return! = )

And UTSA should be DIII. You will be a BUST. Once UTSA has 2-10 3-9, seasons the KFC will wear off and you will have 8,000 fans in the stands.

Your facilities SUCK. The Alamo dome doesn't belong to you. So you can't claim it. The most you have ever had for a basketball game is 1553. OOOO Wow, thats really impressive. UTSA has no history at anything.

Just wait till you start playing WAC/CUSA, your DII athletes will start to get blown out.

Yes, they actually can. They are the SOLE major tenant. If it weren't for UTSA, the Alamodome would have no tenants other than the Alamo Bowl, Arena League Football (SA Talons), and the occasional NCAA final 4 or sweet 16.
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Yes please enough UTSA vs Marshall smack on a thread about TxState possibly moving.

I'll shut er down if this continues. 05-mafia
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(07-26-2012 11:33 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 11:12 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 10:44 AM)jarmzet Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 01:30 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  In case you didn't know or just so short sighted you didn't realize. Marshall has already put its time in the MAC. We run that conference from 97-04. Being in the MAC title game 6 out of the 8 years we were there and winning it 5 times.

I knew Marshall used to be in the MAC and to the MAC it should return! = )

And UTSA should be DIII. You will be a BUST. Once UTSA has 2-10 3-9, seasons the KFC will wear off and you will have 8,000 fans in the stands.

Your facilities SUCK. The Alamo dome doesn't belong to you. So you can't claim it. The most you have ever had for a basketball game is 1553. OOOO Wow, thats really impressive. UTSA has no history at anything.

Just wait till you start playing WAC/CUSA, your DII athletes will start to get blown out.

Yes, they actually can. They are the SOLE major tenant. If it weren't for UTSA, the Alamodome would have no tenants other than the Alamo Bowl, Arena League Football (SA Talons), and the occasional NCAA final 4 or sweet 16.

Not True, you forgot Monster Truck Shows, Boat & RV Shows, Home and Garden, and let's not forget Jerry Jones' occasional flirtation w/Cowboy fans in SA . .. .
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(07-26-2012 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 11:02 AM)tpopt Wrote:  Because our President is academically motivated and leaves everything up to our AD who does nothing unless pushed, I doubt that he would move. It would take a petition from alumni and students to to the president make this happen. We are in the SBC for a while.

I can name a LOT of schools that would gladly trade places with the situation your AD left you in.

1) Appy - didn't explore moving up when they would have been taken by the SBC. Like two years ago.
2) Ga Southern - didn't bother to even consider expansion until after Ga State moved up to the Belt. They apparently never considered the contingency that GSU would actually get a SBC bid
3) JMU - didn't have the foresight to do anything while the MAC was taking teams far outside its footprint. While Temple was in the MAC, it would have made a lot of sense for them to be in the MAC. It still makes some sense, but not as much as before.
4) Sam Houston - didn't invest in facilities while Texas State was. When the opportunity arose, they weren't ready.
5) Jacksonville State - see Georgia Southern.
6) NM State - would love another chance to play in the Sun Belt, which they LEFT.
7) Idaho - would love another chance to play in the Sun Belt, which they LEFT.
8) Liberty - isn't getting in the Belt, but they'd surely jump for joy if they got a SBC bid.

I think a LOT of schools would trade places with you....in a heartbeat. You are going to be playing FBS football. You are in a stable conference (and one that is better than the WAC would have been - even before the CUSA took La Tech and the MWC took Utah State). You made the most of your opportunities. You are a rural school. And you are the only rural school that got moved up. Think about that for a second before you criticize your AD. Friggin' App State couldn't pull off what you did.

I think a lot of schools will be sitting in FCS simply because they didn't see the Sun Belt as something desirable.....until it was too late. Now there are a lot of schools who are really jealous of your situation. Your AD appears to have done a good job, and outperformed every single rural school with FBS aspirations (and two existing FBS schools) in this entire process.

The only way Texas State was going to get a CUSA bid would be to move the school to a large city.

Tom, I Like your take on our AD and our situation . . . have to say that I largely agree w/your assessment . . .(Like real estate . . conference moves (these days) ... seem to be about location, location, location). I don't understand the frustration so many of my Bobcat brethren have with our AD . . . unless it's frustration with the idea that we've not moved far enough fast enough . . . (I know the utsa situation chaps a lot of us) I'm certainly glad we're not in the position of NM St & Idaho. As is, being in the WAC this year kinda feels like being chained to a corpse. Though, I personally hope the conference (WAC) can find a way to survive.
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(07-26-2012 12:07 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 11:02 AM)tpopt Wrote:  Because our President is academically motivated and leaves everything up to our AD who does nothing unless pushed, I doubt that he would move. It would take a petition from alumni and students to to the president make this happen. We are in the SBC for a while.

I can name a LOT of schools that would gladly trade places with the situation your AD left you in.

1) Appy - didn't explore moving up when they would have been taken by the SBC. Like two years ago.
2) Ga Southern - didn't bother to even consider expansion until after Ga State moved up to the Belt. They apparently never considered the contingency that GSU would actually get a SBC bid
3) JMU - didn't have the foresight to do anything while the MAC was taking teams far outside its footprint. While Temple was in the MAC, it would have made a lot of sense for them to be in the MAC. It still makes some sense, but not as much as before.
4) Sam Houston - didn't invest in facilities while Texas State was. When the opportunity arose, they weren't ready.
5) Jacksonville State - see Georgia Southern.
6) NM State - would love another chance to play in the Sun Belt, which they LEFT.
7) Idaho - would love another chance to play in the Sun Belt, which they LEFT.
8) Liberty - isn't getting in the Belt, but they'd surely jump for joy if they got a SBC bid.

I think a LOT of schools would trade places with you....in a heartbeat. You are going to be playing FBS football. You are in a stable conference (and one that is better than the WAC would have been - even before the CUSA took La Tech and the MWC took Utah State). You made the most of your opportunities. You are a rural school. And you are the only rural school that got moved up. Think about that for a second before you criticize your AD. Friggin' App State couldn't pull off what you did.

I think a lot of schools will be sitting in FCS simply because they didn't see the Sun Belt as something desirable.....until it was too late. Now there are a lot of schools who are really jealous of your situation. Your AD appears to have done a good job, and outperformed every single rural school with FBS aspirations (and two existing FBS schools) in this entire process.

The only way Texas State was going to get a CUSA bid would be to move the school to a large city.

Tom, I Like your take on our AD and our situation . . . have to say that I largely agree w/your assessment . . .(Like real estate . . conference moves (these days) ... seem to be about location, location, location). I don't understand the frustration so many of my Bobcat brethren have with our AD . . . unless it's frustration with the idea that we've not moved far enough fast enough . . . (I know the utsa situation chaps a lot of us) I'm certainly glad we're not in the position of NM St & Idaho. As is, being in the WAC this year kinda feels like being chained to a corpse. Though, I personally hope the conference (WAC) can find a way to survive.

Sorry if that came off as disrespectful from any perspective. It was not intended. My point was factual only. Our president is academically motivated (good thing and the way it should be). Our AD does not necessarily move on things from his own motivation but from the motivation of the alumni and students (good or bad, it is the way it is). Being in the SBC is not a bad thing as some are reading into my statement. When saying that we are in the SBC for a while is just a statement so why read into it negatively. Being defensive is not attractive.
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Well every one seems to forget it will cost UTEP 7 million to leave and CUSA ain't going to give them to anyone..

And in UTSA case cost 9 million since their paying 2 million to get into CUSA..

Only Texas Team left is TXST and like UNT turning down the WAC I can see TXST turning down the MW since it is the WAC 2.0

If some how MW help UTEP so they can Join TXST will get CUSA Invite to keep them from joining to..
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Sun Belt Conference = SBC.
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(07-26-2012 11:25 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 11:02 AM)tpopt Wrote:  Because our President is academically motivated and leaves everything up to our AD who does nothing unless pushed, I doubt that he would move. It would take a petition from alumni and students to to the president make this happen. We are in the SBC for a while.

I can name a LOT of schools that would gladly trade places with the situation your AD left you in.

1) Appy - didn't explore moving up when they would have been taken by the SBC. Like two years ago.

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I think a LOT of schools would trade places with you....in a heartbeat. You are going to be playing FBS football. You are in a stable conference (and one that is better than the WAC would have been - even before the CUSA took La Tech and the MWC took Utah State). You made the most of your opportunities. You are a rural school. And you are the only rural school that got moved up. Think about that for a second before you criticize your AD. Friggin' App State couldn't pull off what you did.

To be fair, it isn't that we did not explore moving up. We did a feasibility study during the 4-year moratorium and released a recommendation to move within weeks of the moratorium being lifted in August, 2011. Our stock was at it's highest after the 2007 season when we beat Michigan and won our third straight national championship. Unfortunately, the moratorium went into effect right before that season and was not lifted until 2011. It was a bad break for us, but I'm not sure our AD is to blame for it.

The Sun Belt getting Texas State was not necessarily a market based move but from a recruiting standpoint, getting a presence in Texas is much more desirable than North Carolina. After losing North Texas, Texas State was a no-brainer. Just to be clear, I think they were a great add for the Sun Belt. Successful in football at the FCS level, solid baseball, investment in a great renovation of the football stadium and a presence in Texas. I just don't think that them getting an FBS invite is necessarily due to more progressive leadership.

In general, I do agree with what you're saying. Their AD has put them in a position to succeed and there are certainly plenty of schools who would be happy if they were in their shoes.
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(07-25-2012 08:21 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  
(07-25-2012 03:29 PM)Bobcat87 Wrote:  Offer utsa the MWC and the KFC Family Special . . . and they're GONE from cusa . . . .

KFC jokes are very funny.

They really are.
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tpotpotptotptotptotptotpt is right in that our AD got EXTREMELY LUCKY with the SBC wanting to stay in Texas and (in my opinion) overlooking the numerous shortcomings of our AD to invite us. And we as a fan base are excited about the quality of play in the SBC.

Having said that, if the MWC offered just us, and nothing else, I don't know that we'd be better off overall moving to the MWC. What I do know is that if it took some effort to get an invite to the MWC, our AD would pass on it.

The prevailing concern amongst many bobcat faithful is that our AD believes FBS is a destination, and now that we are FBS, he's done. Clearly, that's not the case. There's a tremendous amount of work to be done: Securing our baseball coach long-term to ensure that we continue to be nationally competitive. Finding a basketball coach that understands the game, rather than modeling the gameplan after an EA soccer game. Improving our football team to FBS standards. Improving gameday experience.

God I wish our AD resigned instead of Troy's.
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(07-26-2012 04:54 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  tpotpotptotptotptotptotpt is right in that our AD got EXTREMELY LUCKY with the SBC wanting to stay in Texas and (in my opinion) overlooking the numerous shortcomings of our AD to invite us. And we as a fan base are excited about the quality of play in the SBC.

Having said that, if the MWC offered just us, and nothing else, I don't know that we'd be better off overall moving to the MWC. What I do know is that if it took some effort to get an invite to the MWC, our AD would pass on it.

The prevailing concern amongst many bobcat faithful is that our AD believes FBS is a destination, and now that we are FBS, he's done. Clearly, that's not the case. There's a tremendous amount of work to be done: Securing our baseball coach long-term to ensure that we continue to be nationally competitive. Finding a basketball coach that understands the game, rather than modeling the gameplan after an EA soccer game. Improving our football team to FBS standards. Improving gameday experience.

God I wish our AD resigned instead of Troy's.

Maybe he will apply for the Troy AD spot.05-stirthepot
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(07-26-2012 08:57 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 08:49 AM)cajunhawk Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 01:30 AM)HerdZoned Wrote:  
(07-25-2012 10:54 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  Also, Marshall should be "gifted" to the MAC for the same reason.

In case you didn't know or just so short sighted you didn't realize. Marshall has already put its time in the MAC. We "runned" that conference from 97-04. Being in the MAC title game 6 out of the 8 years we were there and winning it 5 times.

UTSA is the only school Im not comfortable with adding to CUSA. So if we are talking about gifting schools, Id rather gift UTSA to the GCS.


You mean "ran" that conference...apparently they didn't teach past tense at Marshall.

I believe at Marshall the proper term is "runned."

i'm still laughing over this one.

p.s. i fixeded it in his post to see how it sounded. straight outta west by god.
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(07-26-2012 05:01 PM)MG61 Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 04:54 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  tpotpotptotptotptotptotpt is right in that our AD got EXTREMELY LUCKY with the SBC wanting to stay in Texas and (in my opinion) overlooking the numerous shortcomings of our AD to invite us. And we as a fan base are excited about the quality of play in the SBC.

Having said that, if the MWC offered just us, and nothing else, I don't know that we'd be better off overall moving to the MWC. What I do know is that if it took some effort to get an invite to the MWC, our AD would pass on it.

The prevailing concern amongst many bobcat faithful is that our AD believes FBS is a destination, and now that we are FBS, he's done. Clearly, that's not the case. There's a tremendous amount of work to be done: Securing our baseball coach long-term to ensure that we continue to be nationally competitive. Finding a basketball coach that understands the game, rather than modeling the gameplan after an EA soccer game. Improving our football team to FBS standards. Improving gameday experience.

God I wish our AD resigned instead of Troy's.

Maybe he will apply for the Troy AD spot.05-stirthepot

Again, I don't know what you're issue is with the TXST AD. Someone there took initiative to get you guys into FBS before everyone else did. When all of those schools who are left behind didn't do squat (they all probably could have joined the WAC when you did). Obviously, someone at Texas State had more initiative than anyone else save perhaps UTSA's AD (who shouldn't be given any extra credit for getting UTSA into the CUSA - it was market, not program).

Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind having the farsighted proactive decision maker at Texas State on my team. I don't know if it was the AD though. It must have been someone in a position of authority.
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(07-26-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, I don't know what you're issue is with the TXST AD. Someone there took initiative to get you guys into FBS before everyone else did. When all of those schools who are left behind didn't do squat (they all probably could have joined the WAC when you did). Obviously, someone at Texas State had more initiative than anyone else save perhaps UTSA's AD (who shouldn't be given any extra credit for getting UTSA into the CUSA - it was market, not program).

You are correct, someone took the initiative to get us to FBS: that group would be the students. They forced the hand of the AD by in essence handing him a blank check in the form of a serious fee increase contingent on him moving us to FBS.

And again, you are correct, someone had more initiative than anyone else except for Hickey... But again, that person (or in this case, people) are the students.

(07-26-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind having the farsighted proactive decision maker at Texas State on my team. I don't know if it was the AD though. It must have been someone in a position of authority.

I too would like to have a farsighted proactive decision maker at Texas State. It's also precisely why I want Teis gone.

But I suppose I'll go ahead and throw out why I hold him in such disdain:

1. He sucks at fund raising. Basically, there's two people funding this move: The students (ok, they're a group, but you get my point), the Fields (longtime supporters and wonderful people who started donating after the announced move). He alienates folks left and right.

To further this point, when he came on, he was supposed to build the baseball complex (which was SORELY needed). He announced it was a three year plan and would be funded by donations. Instead, it took nearly 8-9 years and was funded by bonds and student fees.

Another example: Recently a group announced a million dollar donation. In their speech they made it a point to thank the Fields for bringing them back to Texas State. Absolutely ignored the AD.

2. He sucks with the media. In spite of all the changes and goings on at Texas State, there's barely a blip of notice in the major areas. He seems almost... offended by the notion that he needs to be beating the bushes trying to get attention for our program.

3. He's setting pricing and tailgating under the notion "we have arrived" when we have barely started the race. His actions show he has no desire to make the gameday experience friendly to the casual fans.

4. He has yet to show any ability to get marketing of the program to get folks to notice the program.

5. Our basketball program. That is more than enough said on that.

6. the move to the WAC was a marriage of convenience. He took the easiest path possible. I'd be willing to bet hard cash that if UTSA had accepted the SBC bid, we'd be back in the Southland or some other FCS conference when the WAC folds.

In summation, he only takes action when his hand is forced, and even then, he does just enough to get by, never seeking to do anything more than the bare minimum.

Please don't take our advancement to FBS and our luck in being a part of the SBC as any feather in his cap. He fell bass ackwards into it.
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(07-26-2012 11:14 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(07-26-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, I don't know what you're issue is with the TXST AD. Someone there took initiative to get you guys into FBS before everyone else did. When all of those schools who are left behind didn't do squat (they all probably could have joined the WAC when you did). Obviously, someone at Texas State had more initiative than anyone else save perhaps UTSA's AD (who shouldn't be given any extra credit for getting UTSA into the CUSA - it was market, not program).

You are correct, someone took the initiative to get us to FBS: that group would be the students. They forced the hand of the AD by in essence handing him a blank check in the form of a serious fee increase contingent on him moving us to FBS.

And again, you are correct, someone had more initiative than anyone else except for Hickey... But again, that person (or in this case, people) are the students.

(07-26-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind having the farsighted proactive decision maker at Texas State on my team. I don't know if it was the AD though. It must have been someone in a position of authority.

I too would like to have a farsighted proactive decision maker at Texas State. It's also precisely why I want Teis gone.

But I suppose I'll go ahead and throw out why I hold him in such disdain:

1. He sucks at fund raising. Basically, there's two people funding this move: The students (ok, they're a group, but you get my point), the Fields (longtime supporters and wonderful people who started donating after the announced move). He alienates folks left and right.

To further this point, when he came on, he was supposed to build the baseball complex (which was SORELY needed). He announced it was a three year plan and would be funded by donations. Instead, it took nearly 8-9 years and was funded by bonds and student fees.

Another example: Recently a group announced a million dollar donation. In their speech they made it a point to thank the Fields for bringing them back to Texas State. Absolutely ignored the AD.

2. He sucks with the media. In spite of all the changes and goings on at Texas State, there's barely a blip of notice in the major areas. He seems almost... offended by the notion that he needs to be beating the bushes trying to get attention for our program.

3. He's setting pricing and tailgating under the notion "we have arrived" when we have barely started the race. His actions show he has no desire to make the gameday experience friendly to the casual fans.

4. He has yet to show any ability to get marketing of the program to get folks to notice the program.

5. Our basketball program. That is more than enough said on that.

6. the move to the WAC was a marriage of convenience. He took the easiest path possible. I'd be willing to bet hard cash that if UTSA had accepted the SBC bid, we'd be back in the Southland or some other FCS conference when the WAC folds.

In summation, he only takes action when his hand is forced, and even then, he does just enough to get by, never seeking to do anything more than the bare minimum.

Please don't take our advancement to FBS and our luck in being a part of the SBC as any feather in his cap. He fell bass ackwards into it.

SBC Fans

The MWC is in a precarious position of being shut out of Texas. Texas State had conversations with the MWC when the WAC lost FBS status and prior to receiving the offer from the SBC.

BTW, It has been discussed by WAC Commissioner Jeff Hurd at the recent WAC media event that teams will be added to the WAC for football. An announcement is forthcoming in the next few weeks
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(07-26-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Again, I don't know what you're issue is with the TXST AD. Someone there took initiative to get you guys into FBS before everyone else did. When all of those schools who are left behind didn't do squat (they all probably could have joined the WAC when you did). Obviously, someone at Texas State had more initiative than anyone else save perhaps UTSA's AD (who shouldn't be given any extra credit for getting UTSA into the CUSA - it was market, not program).

You are correct, someone took the initiative to get us to FBS: that group would be the students. They forced the hand of the AD by in essence handing him a blank check in the form of a serious fee increase contingent on him moving us to FBS.

And again, you are correct, someone had more initiative than anyone else except for Hickey... But again, that person (or in this case, people) are the students.

(07-26-2012 10:45 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Quite frankly, I wouldn't mind having the farsighted proactive decision maker at Texas State on my team. I don't know if it was the AD though. It must have been someone in a position of authority.

I too would like to have a farsighted proactive decision maker at Texas State. It's also precisely why I want Teis gone.

But I suppose I'll go ahead and throw out why I hold him in such disdain:

1. He sucks at fund raising. Basically, there's two people funding this move: The students (ok, they're a group, but you get my point), the Fields (longtime supporters and wonderful people who started donating after the announced move). He alienates folks left and right.

To further this point, when he came on, he was supposed to build the baseball complex (which was SORELY needed). He announced it was a three year plan and would be funded by donations. Instead, it took nearly 8-9 years and was funded by bonds and student fees.

Another example: Recently a group announced a million dollar donation. In their speech they made it a point to thank the Fields for bringing them back to Texas State. Absolutely ignored the AD.

2. He sucks with the media. In spite of all the changes and goings on at Texas State, there's barely a blip of notice in the major areas. He seems almost... offended by the notion that he needs to be beating the bushes trying to get attention for our program.

3. He's setting pricing and tailgating under the notion "we have arrived" when we have barely started the race. His actions show he has no desire to make the gameday experience friendly to the casual fans.

4. He has yet to show any ability to get marketing of the program to get folks to notice the program.

5. Our basketball program. That is more than enough said on that.

6. the move to the WAC was a marriage of convenience. He took the easiest path possible. I'd be willing to bet hard cash that if UTSA had accepted the SBC bid, we'd be back in the Southland or some other FCS conference when the WAC folds.

In summation, he only takes action when his hand is forced, and even then, he does just enough to get by, never seeking to do anything more than the bare minimum.

Please don't take our advancement to FBS and our luck in being a part of the SBC as any feather in his cap. He fell bass ackwards into it.

I'm sure students and alumni at JMU, App, etc. lobbied for a move to FBS. Students don't make decisions, somebody in the schools administration does. The AD (who may or may not have been that person) may have made the tickets too expensive for your taste and dallied on the baseball field, but.....at least in football....some administrator (maybe not the AD) had to make a decision to jump at a time when no one else was doing so. It was a ballsy call from whoever did so. And at least from where I sit, it worked out beautifully.
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(07-26-2012 05:39 PM)dahbeed Wrote:  
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(07-25-2012 10:54 PM)jarmzet Wrote:  Also, Marshall should be "gifted" to the MAC for the same reason.

In case you didn't know or just so short sighted you didn't realize. Marshall has already put its time in the MAC. We "runned" that conference from 97-04. Being in the MAC title game 6 out of the 8 years we were there and winning it 5 times.

UTSA is the only school Im not comfortable with adding to CUSA. So if we are talking about gifting schools, Id rather gift UTSA to the GCS.


You mean "ran" that conference...apparently they didn't teach past tense at Marshall.

I believe at Marshall the proper term is "runned."

i'm still laughing over this one.

p.s. i fixeded it in his post to see how it sounded. straight outta west by god.

That does look better. Nice work.
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(07-27-2012 12:11 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm sure students and alumni at JMU, App, etc. lobbied for a move to FBS. Students don't make decisions, somebody in the schools administration does. The AD (who may or may not have been that person) may have made the tickets too expensive for your taste and dallied on the baseball field, but.....at least in football....some administrator (maybe not the AD) had to make a decision to jump at a time when no one else was doing so. It was a ballsy call from whoever did so. And at least from where I sit, it worked out beautifully.

I think I may have poorly communicated how it happened.

The students voted for the fee increase contingent on the move to FBS. This wasn't the students passing an amendment that they wanted us to be FBS, it was literally a blank check.

To me, that's not ballsy at all. It's being forced to do something alumni have been asking for over the last decade.

And the ticket prices, it's just poor business. We've had (at best) average attendance in the past 5 years. To price the tickets at a price high enough that many diehard fans are upset about says to me that the casual fan will just flat out pass, furthering our troubles in filling up a stadium.

And him dallying on the baseball field wasn't the issue. It's that he failed miserably in getting donations. During his tenure, donations decreased annually until the FBS move was forced on him.

So, he wasn't just not bringing in donations, it was basically him running off donors.
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(07-27-2012 08:18 PM)TheRevSWT Wrote:  
(07-27-2012 12:11 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I'm sure students and alumni at JMU, App, etc. lobbied for a move to FBS. Students don't make decisions, somebody in the schools administration does. The AD (who may or may not have been that person) may have made the tickets too expensive for your taste and dallied on the baseball field, but.....at least in football....some administrator (maybe not the AD) had to make a decision to jump at a time when no one else was doing so. It was a ballsy call from whoever did so. And at least from where I sit, it worked out beautifully.

I think I may have poorly communicated how it happened.

The students voted for the fee increase contingent on the move to FBS. This wasn't the students passing an amendment that they wanted us to be FBS, it was literally a blank check.

To me, that's not ballsy at all. It's being forced to do something alumni have been asking for over the last decade.

And the ticket prices, it's just poor business. We've had (at best) average attendance in the past 5 years. To price the tickets at a price high enough that many diehard fans are upset about says to me that the casual fan will just flat out pass, furthering our troubles in filling up a stadium.

And him dallying on the baseball field wasn't the issue. It's that he failed miserably in getting donations. During his tenure, donations decreased annually until the FBS move was forced on him.

So, he wasn't just not bringing in donations, it was basically him running off donors.

yikes on the ticket price raise.

when western moved up they made some insanely cheap packages on season tickets. i know many folks that live out of state that bought 2-4 packages just to help fund it. they've gone up little by little but it's still crazily cheap for a good seat on the old side.

the tix on the new side are more expensive than the old side but you don't sit with the sun in your eyes and you get to knob with the knobbers.
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