(06-12-2012 10:16 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 10:00 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:58 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:45 AM)ummechengr Wrote:  Also, using radio-carbon dating....there is evidence of burnt plants (suggests cooking) from 50,000 years ago.

Or forest fires?

I was hoping someone would say that. Lol.

It would have been the worlds tiniest forest fire.

Not all fires are large. Could also suggest severe drought. Just sayin burnt plants can suggest many things, not necessarily cooking.

Yes it could. And I recognize that possibility.

..........or it could be from cooking. There were also tools found at the same site (Topper Site).

This belief is only an issue when someone uses their belief in God as an excuse to subvert responsible public education or in an attempt to actively hinder or destroy scientific progress.

Otherwise, think away. Because the natural world is indifferent to Creationist opinion and dogma.

(06-12-2012 10:20 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:56 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:51 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  Archaeologists and other scientists report in Friday’s issue of the journal Science that excavations show hunter-gatherers were living at the Buttermilk Creek site and making projectile points, blades, choppers and other tools from local chert for a long time, possibly as early as 15,500 years ago. More than 50 well-formed artifacts as well as hundreds of flakes and fragments of chipping debris were embedded in thick clay sediments immediately beneath typical Clovis material.
“This is the oldest credible archaeological site in North America,” Michael R. Waters, leader of the discovery team, said at a news teleconference.

Spear Points Found in Texas Dial Back Arrival of Humans in America

Where does it say that God having created man as is <10,000 years ago exludes neanderthals and what is widely considered to be "early man" from having used tools? There is no reason or evidence to suggest the two are mutually exclusive.

True, but I don't think I've ever heard any "God experts" make that claim before.

I'd love to know what God thinks of any person, the Pope included, that claims to be a "God expert".

Faith doesn't require proof. Nor does the the existence of "early man" and dinosaurs, the fact science can prove the earth is 4B years old, and proven forms of evolution on earth disprove the existence of God or faith. Everything in the Bible can't be taken literally and at the same time I have yet to see anything in science concretely disprove the existence of God. One either has faith or doesn't.
Take myself for an example relating to the original post survey, I'm a Republican, hold a post-graduate degree, and rarely attend chuch. I believe God created man as is <10,000 years ago and nothing in my political affiliation, educational experience, or frequency of attending church has any bearing on my belief or faith. I have yet to be taught anything, either in church or while I was at college, that claimed science and religion are mutually exclusive.
I guess if anything the survey establishes that there isn't a great decline in faith in the US.

(06-12-2012 10:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I guess if anything the survey establishes that there isn't a great decline in faith in the US.

I think the survey points to continued polarization in America on religious, political, and economic lines.

I honestly could care less what happened 10k years ago. I am more concerned with what is going to happen 10 months from now that directly effects my existence on this rock. If we wisely focused our time, money and resources on actually solving problems of today...Id be happy.

(06-12-2012 10:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I have yet to see anything in science concretely disprove the existence of God.

I guess you could also assert the exact opposite of that as well.

(06-12-2012 12:42 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 10:49 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I have yet to see anything in science concretely disprove the existence of God.

I guess you could also assert the exact opposite of that as well.

Those who have faith don't require proof. But thats more a philosophical arguement than a scientific one.

If it could be proven, it wouldn't require faith.

Had a pair of Jehovah's Witnesses tell me that humanity has existed on Earth for only 6,000 years. Highly improbable.

As a follower of Jesus Christ, I'll just beat the dead horse, if you will, and say that I believe humanity has existed for probably hundreds of thousands of years. Homo sapiens as they are, however, that's a different story.

(06-12-2012 01:00 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  If it could be proven, it wouldn't require faith.

Do you believe in anything than can't be proven?

(06-12-2012 01:42 PM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Had a pair of Jehovah's Witnesses tell me that humanity has existed on Earth for only 6,000 years. Highly improbable.

As a follower of Jesus Christ, I'll just beat the dead horse, if you will, and say that I believe humanity has existed for probably hundreds of thousands of years. Homo sapiens as they are, however, that's a different story.

Thank you. It just says that God created man in his own image. It doesn't say that we stayed that way.

Thank you. It just says that God created man in his own image. It doesn't say that we stayed that way.
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God created everything. Early man was created by God too, "we" were created in God's image later.

(06-12-2012 05:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 04:11 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

Thank you. It just says that God created man in his own image. It doesn't say that we stayed that way.

God created everything. Early man was created by God too, "we" were created in God's image later.
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Well then we are on two separate trains of thought. My bad.

(06-12-2012 09:37 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Hypothetically? When God made Adam he made an adult man, not an infant... Whats to say he would not have made an adult planet..

That's kind of my thinking. If you can believe that there is an all-powerful God capable of creating the heavens and earth, then the idea that he could/would create things of varying ages is not at all ridiculous in comparison.

(06-13-2012 01:23 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 09:37 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Hypothetically? When God made Adam he made an adult man, not an infant... Whats to say he would not have made an adult planet..

That's kind of my thinking. If you can believe that there is an all-powerful God capable of creating the heavens and earth, then the idea that he could/would create things of varying ages is not at all ridiculous in comparison.

That's the key phrase.

(06-12-2012 05:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 04:11 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  

Thank you. It just says that God created man in his own image. It doesn't say that we stayed that way.

God created everything. Early man was created by God too, "we" were created in God's image later.
[/quote] Who/what created this God you are talking about?

(06-13-2012 01:31 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 05:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  [quote='nomad2u2001' pid='7983094' dateline='1339535464']

Thank you. It just says that God created man in his own image. It doesn't say that we stayed that way.

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God created everything. Early man was created by God too, "we" were created in God's image later.

Who/what created this God you are talking about?


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I could just as easily ask you what created the singularity that the big bang originated from.

(06-13-2012 01:41 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(06-13-2012 01:31 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(06-12-2012 05:15 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  [quote='nomad2u2001' pid='7983094' dateline='1339535464']

Thank you. It just says that God created man in his own image. It doesn't say that we stayed that way.

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God created everything. Early man was created by God too, "we" were created in God's image later.

Who/what created this God you are talking about?


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I could just as easily ask you what created the singularity that the big bang originated from.

What was the thing that created the thing that created the singularity that the big bang originated from? It never ends.

Each worldview, necessarily, has a starting point of Self Existence.
To (an overwhelming majority of) Atheist, Matter has always existed, in some form.
To the Theist, God has always existed.

So who created matter? No one. Matter has always existed.
So who created God? No one, he has always existed.

Self Existence is rational as if there were a time when there was nothing, absolutely nothing, how could there be anything but nothing now?

(06-13-2012 01:58 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  What was the thing that created the thing that created the singularity that the big bang originated from? It never ends.

No it doesn't. It takes faith. Just stop trying to force your faith onto me and I won't force mine onto you. You hardly ever see me get into topics like this one because NO one is going to be able to prove the other wrong.