(04-18-2012 08:10 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 06:20 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  I did. There is no point in re-writing it. You probably skipped over it in your zeal to show you edumacated you are.

Excuse me for being too stupid for your time. Kids need/have support but support doesn't mean, "OH THE PROBLEM WENT AWAY! NO MORE BULLYING. LET'S IGNORE THEM NOW," does it? Bullying causes suicides. People bully gay people often, and sometimes it goes so far as to cause suicides. This is a problem. Does that not make sense to you? Do you not understand that it is wrong? Do you not realize that this needs to be stopped?

I know when someone answers a question, and you did not answer mine. Okay, if it's not cyber bullying, then it's you being a jack***. I don't call you stupid and illiterate but I will defend myself when you go throwing those comments around. If you think I'm stupid then that's nice for you, but it doesn't really make what I'm arguing any less valid. And could you actually answer my questions? I'd honestly like to know what you're thinking...

The more I read, the more it sounds disturbingly like people think that criticism = bullying. While the specific case in question most likely isn't, the broader discussion does seem to have this feel. I'm hoping I'm misreading this.

(04-19-2012 05:35 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  The more I read, the more it sounds disturbingly like people think that criticism = bullying. While the specific case in question most likely isn't, the broader discussion does seem to have this feel. I'm hoping I'm misreading this.

Criticism is one thing, completely different from bullying. Criticism can take many forms, and it doesn't have to be negative. It can go too far, which could turn into bullying or be conceived as such. I do not think criticism = bullying, FWIW. I do not appreciate being called stupid and illiterate, though, and that's not really the way you should handle debates or arguments. I mean, c'mon, are we really going to stoop that low? Really?

(04-19-2012 05:39 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 05:35 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  The more I read, the more it sounds disturbingly like people think that criticism = bullying. While the specific case in question most likely isn't, the broader discussion does seem to have this feel. I'm hoping I'm misreading this.

Criticism is one thing, completely different from bullying. Criticism can take many forms, and it doesn't have to be negative. It can go too far, which could turn into bullying or be conceived as such. I do not think criticism = bullying, FWIW. I do not appreciate being called stupid and illiterate, though, and that's not really the way you should handle debates or arguments. I mean, c'mon, are we really going to stoop that low? Really?

Wasn't meant to be a specific response to your last post, just a general reflection. Namely all the criticisms of the Christian right's objection to outspoken opposition to homosexuality as equal to bullying earlier in the thread. While you can bully on the basis of religious objections, simply being against it and being vocal about it or critical of someone because of it is not bullying.

I don't think I have ever called you stupid, but the people I do warrant it for that particular reason (except for the few universal morons we do have one here).

(04-19-2012 05:48 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 05:39 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 05:35 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  The more I read, the more it sounds disturbingly like people think that criticism = bullying. While the specific case in question most likely isn't, the broader discussion does seem to have this feel. I'm hoping I'm misreading this.

Criticism is one thing, completely different from bullying. Criticism can take many forms, and it doesn't have to be negative. It can go too far, which could turn into bullying or be conceived as such. I do not think criticism = bullying, FWIW. I do not appreciate being called stupid and illiterate, though, and that's not really the way you should handle debates or arguments. I mean, c'mon, are we really going to stoop that low? Really?

Wasn't meant to be a specific response to your last post, just a general reflection. Namely all the criticisms of the Christian right's objection to outspoken opposition to homosexuality as equal to bullying earlier in the thread. While you can bully on the basis of religious objections, simply being against it and being vocal about it or critical of someone because of it is not bullying.

I don't think I have ever called you stupid, but the people I do warrant it for that particular reason (except for the few universal morons we do have one here).

I understand. It applied, in my opinion, and you're right. What I think does get a little close to being considered "bullying" is the "grow the **** up" and "bunch of pansies" comments. I think that's taking things a little too far. And I appreciate you not calling me stupid, that was DrTorch. haha. We do have universal morons; that is definitely true.

(04-19-2012 06:05 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  What I think does get a little close to being considered "bullying" is the "grow the **** up" and "bunch of pansies" comments. I think that's taking things a little too far.

Even as a baseline, those are incredibly benign phrases. Bullying is attempts to coerce others through intimidation, force/action, or the threat of force/action. The reasons why you would try to coerce others varies from bully to bully. But words alone are hard for me to classify as bullying, unless there is reason to believe in a legitimate threat. Someone who makes fun of a 14 y/o boy for his pink backpack by calling him a sissy everyday might be an *******, but unless there's reason to believe that he's encouraging others, or he himself, will take action detrimental towards this person based on this reason, I don't consider this bullying. This is what I mean by criticisms. Getting made fun of is gonna happen period. It may be unfounded criticism, but a) its not illegal, and b) the ultimate choice lies with the person being criticized. Either do something about it or learn to deal with/ignore it.

I have as much right to mock you (the hypothetical person) for your pink backpack as you do to wear it. If you choose to kill yourself over me making fun of you, that is not my responsibility or fault in any way. You made several choices: 1) wear the backpack and open myself to criticism, 2) choose to place value on the criticism, 3) choose to take your life. There's definitely more than three choices made, but those are just a quick example.

(04-19-2012 03:47 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  If both of you were around me I would bully both of you...sissy

You'd try.

(04-19-2012 07:56 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:47 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  If both of you were around me I would bully both of you...sissy

You'd try.

Oh Snap!!

(04-19-2012 05:48 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  .......(except for the few universal morons we do have one here).

you can save a few keystrokes if you just refer to them as liberals.

It's apparent liberals are using bullying just as they use racism.

(04-20-2012 07:20 AM)Paul M Wrote:  It's apparent liberals are using bullying just as they use racism.

So do you think racism is a part of growing up and the natural order of things as well?

90% of the time when libs start running from the theater yelling racism, non exist. Same thing seems to be true reading posts about bullying.

(04-20-2012 08:31 AM)Paul M Wrote:  90% of the time when libs start running from the theater yelling racism, non exist. Same thing seems to be true reading posts about bullying.

Riiiiight.

Right. Disagree with someone, losing an argument, heck, just shut them up with charges of racism. Reading posts here, libs are applying the same tactic with bully.

(04-20-2012 08:43 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Right. Disagree with someone, losing an argument, heck, just shut them up with charges of racism. Reading posts here, libs are applying the same tactic with bully.

Or maybe you are just unable to see racism and bullying for what it is, and let go of your delusions that these things don't exist and are all just a liberal plot to gain power thru victimhood.

(04-20-2012 08:43 AM)Paul M Wrote:  Right. Disagree with someone, losing an argument, heck, just shut them up with charges of racism. Reading posts here, libs are applying the same tactic with bully.

I don't lose arguments. Like Zimmerman I carry a pistol.

(04-20-2012 08:46 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  I don't lose arguments. Like Zimmerman I carry a pistol.

Just in case you happen upon some skinny black teenager armed with skittles and an ice tea that makes you quake in your boots? Good for you!

Since liberals tend to throw the word "bully" (and racism, and tolerance, and sustainable, and feeling, and "rich" and "poor" etc) around pretty liberally, when I hear it from a liberal it is automatically dismissed as the rantings of someone that can't make a cogent defense of their ideals and instead resort to name calling.

(04-20-2012 08:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  when I hear it from a liberal it is automatically dismissed as the rantings of someone that can't make a cogent defense of their ideals and instead resort to name calling.

at the irony.


universal morons
pantywaste
sissy
PU@@Y!
stupid and illiterate
you piece of ****.
Faggoty
Losers
Idiot
F**king idiots

(04-20-2012 09:14 AM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-20-2012 08:57 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  when I hear it from a liberal it is automatically dismissed as the rantings of someone that can't make a cogent defense of their ideals and instead resort to name calling.

at the irony.


universal morons
pantywaste
sissy
PU@@Y!
stupid and illiterate
you piece of ****.
Faggoty
Losers
Idiot
F**king idiots

What irony? I didn't call anyone a name.