(04-18-2012 08:10 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  Believe what you'd like, but I've read these kids' histories. They WERE bullied for being gay. The school district did nothing, the parents tried to help their kids, but suicides happened. No debating that, right?

So what? I was undersized for my age and hung out with kids a lot older than me and I was brutalized. I didnt kill myself and all of the other kids who were picked on are still alive and well. My dad told me to stand up for myself and the problem will solve itself and it did.

Now if my mom and dad kept telling me it was unfair, that I was a hapless victim, then THEY would have caused more problems than the bullies did. By standing up to the bullies, or ignoring them completely, I was eventually able earn their respect and hang with them.

Certain minorities are constantly told they're victims and look where they are. Victimization is all mental and wimps need not apply.

Not hyperbole...I honestly don't care. Bullying is a part of growing up. Deal with it. If this little weanie killed himself over bullying then there were other issues. EVERYONE has been bullied. This kid was a coward.

(04-18-2012 07:51 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:39 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I think we all can agree that if a kid commits suicide because of bullying, that there is a problem. Is it a lack of communication in the family? Is it a troubled kid? Is it unbearable humiliation by the aggressors? Whatever it is...it is a tragedy and I can say sincerely that my heart goes out to his family left behind..and..I do care.

Fo, you have a daughter, if she was suicidal, would you be able to tell something was wrong even if she didn't say anything?

Of course you can. If she's breathing, you know there's some kind of problem. The tricky part is figuring out what it is.

I'm no psychologist and I didn't know him personally, but I believe that if this kid was bullied for anything else besides being gay, he would've still killed himself. Some people are just not as mentally tough and hold on to anguish until it changes the way they think. Most kids can be bullied, feel bad about it, fix it or forget it. Remember the effects of bullying almost entirely reside within the victim.

I really don't want to say this, but could this kid have been one of those ultra-dramatic students? You know, the ones who get on youtube and ask people how ugly they are just so they can take it to heart. The kind of guy who would take even the most lighthearted comment as an insult and storm away crying to get the attention.

(04-18-2012 07:51 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:39 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  I think we all can agree that if a kid commits suicide because of bullying, that there is a problem. Is it a lack of communication in the family? Is it a troubled kid? Is it unbearable humiliation by the aggressors? Whatever it is...it is a tragedy and I can say sincerely that my heart goes out to his family left behind..and..I do care.

Fo, you have a daughter, if she was suicidal, would you be able to tell something was wrong even if she didn't say anything?

We have a very open relationship. She has always been able to come to me with her problems without fear that I would get angry with her. I think I could tell if something that serious was going on. Of course with true mental illness..one never knows. All we can do is facilitate as much as possible free communication with our kids an hope they are receptive.

(04-18-2012 07:10 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Can we all stop pretending that we care?

I care. That's just one more reason to be outraged at the public schools and the leftists who keep promoting these tragedies.

(04-18-2012 08:10 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 06:20 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 04:25 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  No evidence that bullying occurred? People don't just kill themselves for no reason.

You've tried to move the goalposts here. You're trying to define a suicide as someone who's been bullied. You just want to assume something is true, and then offer that as proof.

Believe what you'd like, but I've read these kids' histories. They WERE bullied for being gay. The school district did nothing, the parents tried to help their kids, but suicides happened. No debating that, right?

Ah isn't that convenient? All this time you've had conclusive evidence to support your point, but you just won't share it with us.

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Quote:That's weak logic, and not supported by empirical evidence, which makes it weaker still. Do you really ask why I claim people are uneducated these days?

You're so big on empirical evidence and logic; use your logical skills to figure out why I ask you call people stupid.

I'm busy trying to figure out what language you use.

Quote:And FYI, I think for myself always.

Funny then how you write here words that read just like from a current psychology script. And you know nothing of history.

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Quote:Explain your line of thinking.

Quote:I did. There is no point in re-writing it. You probably skipped over it in your zeal to show you edumacated you are.

Excuse me for being too stupid for your time.

If you were genuine you wouldn't have continued w/ more off-target drivel.

Quote:Internet tough guy? Ha, no. I feel lucky being in a good mood today. Otherwise, my comments towards you would not be as pleasant as they've been.

More solipsism... I really don't care how pleasant your words are.

(04-19-2012 07:35 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Not hyperbole...I honestly don't care. Bullying is a part of growing up. Deal with it. If this little weanie killed himself over bullying then there were other issues. EVERYONE has been bullied. This kid was a coward.

Pfft, with that attitude how can everybody get a first place participation ribbon?

(04-19-2012 12:32 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-18-2012 07:10 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Can we all stop pretending that we care?

I care. That's just one more reason to be outraged at the public schools and the leftists who keep promoting these tragedies.

Well to be fair I care to the extent that his family is suffering but that's it. Bullying wasn't the reason he killed himself... cowardice is.

(04-17-2012 01:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 01:29 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 01:25 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  why do we hate people for being themselves?



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/17...31442.html

Quote:A gay Iowa teen has taken his own life after friends and family say that classmates sent him death threats on his cell phone and made him the subject of a Facebook hate group.

This need not be tied to a gay issue... It effect all kids and by trying to tie it to one demographic you're going to politicize it. This is tragic and some penalty for people who push like this needs to be designed.

except that's why he did it...bullying over being gay.

How can you be so sure that was the reason?

I think it had more to do with his own stupidity.

He gets death threats, which apparently today is considered bullying, so he kills himself.

Well, he showed them, huh?

you guys never cease to amaze...pure evil.

(04-19-2012 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you guys never cease to amaze...pure evil.

Grow up pantywaste...

(04-19-2012 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you guys never cease to amaze...pure evil.

This is why we have bullies - - people like these.

(04-19-2012 03:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you guys never cease to amaze...pure evil.

This is why we have bullies - - people like these.

If both of you were around me I would bully both of you...sissy

(04-19-2012 03:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you guys never cease to amaze...pure evil.

This is why we have bullies - - people like these.

You mean UofMemphis. Yes, his craving to for attention, to be right and to be put on a pedestal for it, and to force his will on others...all hallmarks of a bully.

But you're just like him wvu.

(04-19-2012 03:51 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you guys never cease to amaze...pure evil.

This is why we have bullies - - people like these.

You mean UofMemphis. Yes, his craving to for attention, to be right and to be put on a pedestal for it, and to force his will on others...all hallmarks of a bully.

But you're just like him wvu.

You might say so, but it's blatantly obvious that UofMemphis is correct. As is wvucrazed. Note that YOU, DrTorch, are the one calling me stupid and illiterate (and make a point to say you don't even know what language I'm speaking...). If that's not cyber-bullying then find me a better example. When I ask questions you ignore me and go on calling me dumb again. What a nice way to have a discussion.

Cyber bully...WOW. You're such a PU@@Y!

(04-19-2012 04:05 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:51 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you guys never cease to amaze...pure evil.

This is why we have bullies - - people like these.

You mean UofMemphis. Yes, his craving to for attention, to be right and to be put on a pedestal for it, and to force his will on others...all hallmarks of a bully.

But you're just like him wvu.

You might say so, but it's blatantly obvious that UofMemphis is correct.

Haha, since you can't offer evidence to prove your point, you just declare it "blatantly obvious." Weak mind. You're such *****.

Quote: As is wvucrazed. Note that YOU, DrTorch, are the one calling me stupid and illiterate

Actually I'm demonstrating that you're stupid and illiterate. That's a big difference.

Quote:If that's not cyber-bullying then find me a better example.

rwt.

Quote: When I ask questions you ignore me and go on calling me dumb again. What a nice way to have a discussion.

Completely incorrect! When you ask questions that I've answered previously that's when I call you illiterate. I put in a lot of time to make my insults accurate, that deserves some respect!

(04-19-2012 04:05 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:51 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you guys never cease to amaze...pure evil.

This is why we have bullies - - people like these.

You mean UofMemphis. Yes, his craving to for attention, to be right and to be put on a pedestal for it, and to force his will on others...all hallmarks of a bully.

But you're just like him wvu.

You might say so, but it's blatantly obvious that UofMemphis is correct. As is wvucrazed. Note that YOU, DrTorch, are the one calling me stupid and illiterate (and make a point to say you don't even know what language I'm speaking...). If that's not cyber-bullying then find me a better example. When I ask questions you ignore me and go on calling me dumb again. What a nice way to have a discussion.

No this isn't cyber bullying. Cyber bullying consists of insulting someone in front of their friends on social media. The key to that is that everyone actually knows who the people are and the ability for that to follow them into real life.

What I think it actually is doing is taking away from the discussion. Just as all you have to do is question this kid's mental toughness is going to draw you a "conservatism and aggression are linked" from UofM. There can be no discussion if 30%+ of this thread being that comment and its counters.

(04-19-2012 03:47 PM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:43 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-19-2012 03:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  you guys never cease to amaze...pure evil.

This is why we have bullies - - people like these.

If both of you were around me I would bully both of you...sissy

Very christian of you.