Be forewarned. Anyone getting in the Alliance who doesn't get a big attendance bump playing Marshall will see the rare event of me taunting and laughing. I play nice but you guys are dreaming about the demand for Marshall tickets in DFW and Miami. UCF drew more for Memphis this year. SMU-Marshall drew an announced 17,513 in 2010 and SMU was in contention for the CUSA title game.

I can understand reasons for wanting to shift but don't try blow smoke up my rear or worse actually believe garbage fantasies about the high demand in Dallas and Miami for games against Marshall. It's BS and you should know that.

I take anything Miami with a grain of salt because that is one of the toughest nuts to crack in all of sports. Miami Hurricanes were closing the top deck of the Orange Bowl when they were a top 5 team because of the empty seats. The Heat, Panthers, and Marlins swing madly between good crowds when winning to safe places for grenade training when they aren't. The Dolphins have struggled to sell of late. No one has ever found a formula to consistently fill seats there.

(03-02-2012 03:10 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 02:23 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 12:56 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 12:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Your kidding yourself if you think ... or that Marshall vs FIU will sell any better than Troy vs FIU. The Sun Belt with a better TV deal will offer more than the alliance will in a few years.

Actually, a game against Marshall would sell better in Miami than a game against Troy because there are significantly more Herd alum in the area than Trojans. I would suggest you use another school, say UAB, to support your claim.

So what was the attendence for the Beef O Brady's bowl? It barley managed to have 20,000 REPORTED attendance.

There is no way even 17,000 were actually even at the game

Are you saying a mid week game against troy would draw more than 17k actual butts? Oh wait, we tried that in October. 16K REPORTED attendance. How much does that translate to in actual butts?

As I said, Marshall/FIU is a bad choice if you are looking for negative attendance.

I don't know where FIU will be conference-wise in the next couple of years and to be honest, I don't really care since I will support my school regardless.

What I do care about is posters claiming to not be picking on "Florida school" then proceed with backhanded digs about FIU (if you have to start a conversation with a disclaimer, then you know you are doing exactly what you are claiming not to do).

You want to convince others that the 'belt is good? Speak to the positives of being in the 'belt. Going negative about another conference or the exponential sucktitude that will befall the conference if they ADD YOUR CURRENT CONFERENCE MATES doesn't place the 'belt in a good light. This is like saying "don't take my girlfriend because she is fat and ugly and will give you crabs". It makes you appear petty and jealous.

I never said anything about Troy having more fans than Marshall I said it's not going to be this hypothetical huge change because your fans are either going to come or they are not going to come.

You can say what you will I only used a Florida schools because it was the best example of an expansion candidate that people say would get a tremendous jump.

(03-02-2012 03:12 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 02:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  MG61

Your starting to sound like the Techsters, if you want to be in conference USA so bad go post on their board until they ban you for being a "PUNT" fan as they say. If your administration wanted to leave the belt so bad they had plenty chances with the WAC. Your begging to get in C-USA is quite pathetic because for years all they have done for years is claim your school is nothing more than brown stuff in cow fields. And your not going to tell me UNT going 3-9 in the alliance is going to draw more people than UNT going 5-7 in the Sun Belt. Being in such a big school in a huge city you should not need other teams to help you fill a 30k stadium anyway.

If your going to down play this conference then expect retaliation from someone who loves it. UNT as of late has in no way been a power player as of late so don't come out saying what we will do and what's a step up because quite frankly it's a step down for any conference to accept your team. You have no baseball team, the year you had good basketball team you TIED with Troy and Middle Tenn for the Sun Belt title in 2010. Your football team hasn't seen a winning season since who knows when and heck I can't find UNT as a past champion in any major sport since 2004.

So next time before you claim were a step down for your mighty losing team in a big city why don't you get your school to actually win something. I like this conference because I want to play ULL, FIU, MT, ASU, and South every year. The alliance only has four teams I would ever event care to see us play (USM, ECU, UAB, Marshall). The thought of being in a conference with Wyoming is just crazy to me even if it would mean more money. All that extra money and market UNT has sure is not winning you guys much of anything in the poor little Sun Belt.

Sound like a Techster ? Nope, just replying to post by folks like yourself who bash our president, question our long time desire to be in CUSA and generally spout sour apples. Continue to rail against UNT and what we feel is best for us and I'll continue to reply. You need to be concerned about Troy and keep your nose out of our business. You're a relative newbie on the board, but seem to have anointed yourself as some type of expert on what folks should and should not do.We've always tried to be a good conference member, never made a secret of our desire for CUSA and frankly I'm a little tired ot the crap you've been pitching our way.....

Once again show me where I bashed your president, please. I know what I wrote and I said any including my schools president. And please dude I respect the time you have spent on this board but that is a LOAD OF BS.

If you want to make these statements I'll go on record once gain by saying IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR UNT TO LEAVE. I'm going to bold that and underline it if I can. If UNT got invited to conference USA I would be happy for you guys because it's more regional.

But it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 post saying conference USA is a step up for UNT when your school has not done anything to benefit this conference on the field since 2004 when you had a small amount of competition is an insult whether you intended to or not. And statements like that hurt the teams who are actually winning and trying to make this home strong.

(03-02-2012 03:10 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 02:23 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 12:56 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 12:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Your kidding yourself if you think ... or that Marshall vs FIU will sell any better than Troy vs FIU. The Sun Belt with a better TV deal will offer more than the alliance will in a few years.

Actually, a game against Marshall would sell better in Miami than a game against Troy because there are significantly more Herd alum in the area than Trojans. I would suggest you use another school, say UAB, to support your claim.

So what was the attendence for the Beef O Brady's bowl? It barley managed to have 20,000 REPORTED attendance.

There is no way even 17,000 were actually even at the game

Are you saying a mid week game against troy would draw more than 17k actual butts? Oh wait, we tried that in October. 16K REPORTED attendance. How much does that translate to in actual butts?

As I said, Marshall/FIU is a bad choice if you are looking for negative attendance.

I don't know where FIU will be conference-wise in the next couple of years and to be honest, I don't really care since I will support my school regardless.

What I do care about is posters claiming to not be picking on "Florida school" then proceed with backhanded digs about FIU (if you have to start a conversation with a disclaimer, then you know you are doing exactly what you are claiming not to do).

You want to convince others that the 'belt is good? Speak to the positives of being in the 'belt. Going negative about another conference or the exponential sucktitude that will befall the conference if they ADD YOUR CURRENT CONFERENCE MATES doesn't place the 'belt in a good light. This is like saying "don't take my girlfriend because she is fat and ugly and will give you crabs". It makes you appear petty and jealous.

FIU...and FAU are going to have the same issues no matter where they go. I think there is the perception that they haven't yet paid their dues. None of the stuff going on is about your programs....it is about the size of the potential television market. She doesn't want you for your mind.

Every smaller program attempting to move forward has these issues. Some of us more than others.

In the last couple of years, internally in the SBC, your program has finally started to shake some of that off. The perception is finally coming around that perhaps FIU is about to become a key player in the conference.

I think people are waiting to see if you consolidate it...like Troy did....or have a little stumble on the way like FAU has had lately. If you consolidate it...like Troy did....then you will be perceived as a key player in the conference from that point on.

The perception you've built in the SBC is that you may be about to be a key player. Your perception in the alliance is currently...another potential tv market that helps us recruit Florida and fool the tv execs.

Only FIU can determine where they want to solidify their reputation. But just changing conferences isn't going to solidify it for them. No matter where you go. There you are.

And MG, before any moderation needs to get involved if you have a problem with something I said PM me and debate to me like a man. I did not say a single thing that was not true and don't try and make it seem like I'm after UNT fans. My comments once again were directed towards you and what you said and have been saying on other boards since the first raids.

You have a wonderful campus, women, and I love Dallas but I don't care if your the president, I don't have to sit back and take someone saying were a step down to them just because they are in a big city.

(03-02-2012 03:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 03:10 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 02:23 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 12:56 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 12:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Your kidding yourself if you think ... or that Marshall vs FIU will sell any better than Troy vs FIU. The Sun Belt with a better TV deal will offer more than the alliance will in a few years.

Actually, a game against Marshall would sell better in Miami than a game against Troy because there are significantly more Herd alum in the area than Trojans. I would suggest you use another school, say UAB, to support your claim.

So what was the attendence for the Beef O Brady's bowl? It barley managed to have 20,000 REPORTED attendance.

There is no way even 17,000 were actually even at the game

Are you saying a mid week game against troy would draw more than 17k actual butts? Oh wait, we tried that in October. 16K REPORTED attendance. How much does that translate to in actual butts?

As I said, Marshall/FIU is a bad choice if you are looking for negative attendance.

I don't know where FIU will be conference-wise in the next couple of years and to be honest, I don't really care since I will support my school regardless.

What I do care about is posters claiming to not be picking on "Florida school" then proceed with backhanded digs about FIU (if you have to start a conversation with a disclaimer, then you know you are doing exactly what you are claiming not to do).

You want to convince others that the 'belt is good? Speak to the positives of being in the 'belt. Going negative about another conference or the exponential sucktitude that will befall the conference if they ADD YOUR CURRENT CONFERENCE MATES doesn't place the 'belt in a good light. This is like saying "don't take my girlfriend because she is fat and ugly and will give you crabs". It makes you appear petty and jealous.

I never said anything about Troy having more fans than Marshall I said it's not going to be this hypothetical huge change because your fans are either going to come or they are not going to come.

You can say what you will I only used a Florida schools because it was the best example of an expansion candidate that people say would get a tremendous jump.

The folks trying to get a "like" from the Alliance don't or refuse to see the point.

CUSA got lucky in that some of their better teams are small market schools and their worst large market football program got raided out helping their power ratings. Hattiesburg is smaller than Jonesboro but a little larger metro area. Greenville is about the size of Lafayette.

ECU and USM aren't going anywhere, that helps insure the level of play remains pretty good at the top. But you start looking around and the large markets left have little success to show. Rice, Tulane, UAB just haven't done much in football. Tulsa has been pretty good but Tulsa is a smaller media market than Little Rock. Not exactly a large market program.

The Alliance is built on the idea of not playing half the teams that are your conference buddies. That's not a formula for long-term health.

The TV numbers are fantasy. No way can they go as large as they are talking without it costing existing members dollars.

I think back to when La.Tech bailed for the WAC and by legend the relationship ended with the Sun Belt Commissioner and La.Tech's president each making declarations that the other's conference would fail. The far-flung won't work theory won out.

(03-02-2012 03:12 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 02:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  MG61

Your starting to sound like the Techsters, if you want to be in conference USA so bad go post on their board until they ban you for being a "PUNT" fan as they say. If your administration wanted to leave the belt so bad they had plenty chances with the WAC. Your begging to get in C-USA is quite pathetic because for years all they have done for years is claim your school is nothing more than brown stuff in cow fields. And your not going to tell me UNT going 3-9 in the alliance is going to draw more people than UNT going 5-7 in the Sun Belt. Being in such a big school in a huge city you should not need other teams to help you fill a 30k stadium anyway.

If your going to down play this conference then expect retaliation from someone who loves it. UNT as of late has in no way been a power player as of late so don't come out saying what we will do and what's a step up because quite frankly it's a step down for any conference to accept your team. You have no baseball team, the year you had good basketball team you TIED with Troy and Middle Tenn for the Sun Belt title in 2010. Your football team hasn't seen a winning season since who knows when and heck I can't find UNT as a past champion in any major sport since 2004.

So next time before you claim were a step down for your mighty losing team in a big city why don't you get your school to actually win something. I like this conference because I want to play ULL, FIU, MT, ASU, and South every year. The alliance only has four teams I would ever event care to see us play (USM, ECU, UAB, Marshall). The thought of being in a conference with Wyoming is just crazy to me even if it would mean more money. All that extra money and market UNT has sure is not winning you guys much of anything in the poor little Sun Belt.

Sound like a Techster ? Nope, just replying to post by folks like yourself who bash our president, question our long time desire to be in CUSA and generally spout sour apples. Continue to rail against UNT and what we feel is best for us and I'll continue to reply. You need to be concerned about Troy and keep your nose out of our business. You're a relative newbie on the board, but seem to have anointed yourself as some type of expert on what folks should and should not do.We've always tried to be a good conference member, never made a secret of our desire for CUSA and frankly I'm a little tired ot the crap you've been pitching our way.....

I don't think that is the general perception around the league about UNT.

I prefer that UNT stay with the rest of us. But if UNT decides to leave then I'm not going to have any bad feelings about it because UNT has paid enough dues to do whatever they want to do. UNT has stuck with the conference a long time and been a good solid partner. Good luck with whatever you do.

But we do know about that mythical Dallas market. Remember that we have had that market in our conference for a long time and it hasn't helped out our tv contract that much.

The Alliance slavers over that Dallas market for how it might help their tv contract....not over UNT. But we would prefer UNT stay because of UNT....despite what we know about the effect of that market on our tv contracts.

Either way, good luck and I mean it sincerely.

(03-02-2012 01:21 PM)MG61 Wrote:  You guys can posture all ya want. If Troy or Arkansas State got an invite to CUSA, you'd accept.

We might. But it would not be a certainty, and truthfully the fans reaction would be very similar to the reaction Tech fans give to joining the SBC, though with a lot more logical thought.

(03-02-2012 03:23 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  Be forewarned. Anyone getting in the Alliance who doesn't get a big attendance bump playing Marshall will see the rare event of me taunting and laughing. I play nice but you guys are dreaming about the demand for Marshall tickets in DFW and Miami. UCF drew more for Memphis this year. SMU-Marshall drew an announced 17,513 in 2010 and SMU was in contention for the CUSA title game.

I can understand reasons for wanting to shift but don't try blow smoke up my rear or worse actually believe garbage fantasies about the high demand in Dallas and Miami for games against Marshall. It's BS and you should know that.

I take anything Miami with a grain of salt because that is one of the toughest nuts to crack in all of sports. Miami Hurricanes were closing the top deck of the Orange Bowl when they were a top 5 team because of the empty seats. The Heat, Panthers, and Marlins swing madly between good crowds when winning to safe places for grenade training when they aren't. The Dolphins have struggled to sell of late. No one has ever found a formula to consistently fill seats there.

If you truly believe that Troy is a better draw in Miami than Marshall then nothing I say would ever convince you otherwise. I never said it would be a sellout, but it would certainly be more than a Troy/FIU crowd.

Now, let me at this point apologize to our fellow conference mates for our location in a place with lots to do. I apologize that Saturday college football is not the only thing to do on Saturday or that late spring baseball is the not the only option for tanning naturally. But as we have shown over the last few years, if we keep competing and winning on the field then the fan base will grow (please remember we are only 10 total years of football). Why would we be different from a UM? Because we can try to get our 100k alums to connect with the program vs the large walmart type UM fans with no connection to the school and too young to remember the heady days of their championship runs.

As I said arkstfan, and I am sticking to what I wrote, you either believe in the good things about your conference or you don't (in which case you need to tear down other conferences to bring them down to your level).

Why can't we talk about the strength in the geography of the conference? Why do we need the inflammatory "presidents and AD must be crazy" or apocalyptic pronouncements for any school's whose name is mentioned in connection to any of this? Are the 'belts accomplishments and potential not good enough arguments? If the FL schools suck so much, shouldn't you want to get rid of them?

The 3 Conference Solution


MWC

Fresno State
San Jose State
Nevada
UNLV
Utah State
Wyoming
Colorado State
Air Force
New Mexico
New Mexico State



SWC

UTEP
UTSA
Texas State
Rice
North Texas
Tulsa
Arkansas State
Louisiana Tech
Louisiana
Tulane



SBC

Southern Miss
South Alabama
Troy
UAB
Middle Tenessee
Western Kentucky
Marshall
East Carolina
Florida Atlantic
FIU

(03-02-2012 04:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The folks trying to get a "like" from the Alliance don't or refuse to see the point.

Between you and TrojanCampaign I'd like you to point out where I was "pimping" to the Alliance. If fact, where did I say this conference was less than the Alliance in this thread or any thread on this board or CUSA board. I am sure you will not find any.

What you will find are posts from me correcting any misinformation with respect to FIU, wither from SBC, CUSA or MWC posters. Some here obviously believe that using FIU as a scapegoat is the way to go since we, for the most part, have kept out of the prognostications about conference changes. I think you guys have dragged out programs though the mud enough and should find another school to scapegoat. MTSU has been mentioned, I recall a thread on that topic so move on to the blue raiders and why they will kill the Alliance but are saviors for the 'belt.

(03-02-2012 04:04 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 03:12 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 02:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  MG61

Your starting to sound like the Techsters, if you want to be in conference USA so bad go post on their board until they ban you for being a "PUNT" fan as they say. If your administration wanted to leave the belt so bad they had plenty chances with the WAC. Your begging to get in C-USA is quite pathetic because for years all they have done for years is claim your school is nothing more than brown stuff in cow fields. And your not going to tell me UNT going 3-9 in the alliance is going to draw more people than UNT going 5-7 in the Sun Belt. Being in such a big school in a huge city you should not need other teams to help you fill a 30k stadium anyway.

If your going to down play this conference then expect retaliation from someone who loves it. UNT as of late has in no way been a power player as of late so don't come out saying what we will do and what's a step up because quite frankly it's a step down for any conference to accept your team. You have no baseball team, the year you had good basketball team you TIED with Troy and Middle Tenn for the Sun Belt title in 2010. Your football team hasn't seen a winning season since who knows when and heck I can't find UNT as a past champion in any major sport since 2004.

So next time before you claim were a step down for your mighty losing team in a big city why don't you get your school to actually win something. I like this conference because I want to play ULL, FIU, MT, ASU, and South every year. The alliance only has four teams I would ever event care to see us play (USM, ECU, UAB, Marshall). The thought of being in a conference with Wyoming is just crazy to me even if it would mean more money. All that extra money and market UNT has sure is not winning you guys much of anything in the poor little Sun Belt.

Sound like a Techster ? Nope, just replying to post by folks like yourself who bash our president, question our long time desire to be in CUSA and generally spout sour apples. Continue to rail against UNT and what we feel is best for us and I'll continue to reply. You need to be concerned about Troy and keep your nose out of our business. You're a relative newbie on the board, but seem to have anointed yourself as some type of expert on what folks should and should not do.We've always tried to be a good conference member, never made a secret of our desire for CUSA and frankly I'm a little tired ot the crap you've been pitching our way.....

I don't think that is the general perception around the league about UNT.

I prefer that UNT stay with the rest of us. But if UNT decides to leave then I'm not going to have any bad feelings about it because UNT has paid enough dues to do whatever they want to do. UNT has stuck with the conference a long time and been a good solid partner. Good luck with whatever you do.

But we do know about that mythical Dallas market. Remember that we have had that market in our conference for a long time and it hasn't helped out our tv contract that much.

The Alliance slavers over that Dallas market for how it might help their tv contract....not over UNT. But we would prefer UNT stay because of UNT....despite what we know about the effect of that market on our tv contracts.

Either way, good luck and I mean it sincerely.

Thanks Arkstfan. We know that each school will do what they sincerely feel is in their best interest.We've always tried to be good conference mates and will continue to do so if we stay in the Belt.

(03-02-2012 03:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 03:12 PM)MG61 Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 02:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  MG61

Your starting to sound like the Techsters, if you want to be in conference USA so bad go post on their board until they ban you for being a "PUNT" fan as they say. If your administration wanted to leave the belt so bad they had plenty chances with the WAC. Your begging to get in C-USA is quite pathetic because for years all they have done for years is claim your school is nothing more than brown stuff in cow fields. And your not going to tell me UNT going 3-9 in the alliance is going to draw more people than UNT going 5-7 in the Sun Belt. Being in such a big school in a huge city you should not need other teams to help you fill a 30k stadium anyway.

If your going to down play this conference then expect retaliation from someone who loves it. UNT as of late has in no way been a power player as of late so don't come out saying what we will do and what's a step up because quite frankly it's a step down for any conference to accept your team. You have no baseball team, the year you had good basketball team you TIED with Troy and Middle Tenn for the Sun Belt title in 2010. Your football team hasn't seen a winning season since who knows when and heck I can't find UNT as a past champion in any major sport since 2004.

So next time before you claim were a step down for your mighty losing team in a big city why don't you get your school to actually win something. I like this conference because I want to play ULL, FIU, MT, ASU, and South every year. The alliance only has four teams I would ever event care to see us play (USM, ECU, UAB, Marshall). The thought of being in a conference with Wyoming is just crazy to me even if it would mean more money. All that extra money and market UNT has sure is not winning you guys much of anything in the poor little Sun Belt.

Sound like a Techster ? Nope, just replying to post by folks like yourself who bash our president, question our long time desire to be in CUSA and generally spout sour apples. Continue to rail against UNT and what we feel is best for us and I'll continue to reply. You need to be concerned about Troy and keep your nose out of our business. You're a relative newbie on the board, but seem to have anointed yourself as some type of expert on what folks should and should not do.We've always tried to be a good conference member, never made a secret of our desire for CUSA and frankly I'm a little tired ot the crap you've been pitching our way.....

Once again show me where I bashed your president, please. I know what I wrote and I said any including my schools president. And please dude I respect the time you have spent on this board but that is a LOAD OF BS.

If you want to make these statements I'll go on record once gain by saying IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE FOR UNT TO LEAVE. I'm going to bold that and underline it if I can. If UNT got invited to conference USA I would be happy for you guys because it's more regional.

But it doesn't matter if you have 10,000 post saying conference USA is a step up for UNT when your school has not done anything to benefit this conference on the field since 2004 when you had a small amount of competition is an insult whether you intended to or not. And statements like that hurt the teams who are actually winning and trying to make this home strong.

"Dude"........ just cool it.

(03-02-2012 04:15 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  If the FL schools suck so much, shouldn't you want to get rid of them?

Hope you are looking for honesty.

The FIU/FAU reputation in the league was F_U Bottom 10...same as the rest of the country.

FAU looked like it make break out of that but has stumbled.

Now for the past couple of years FIU looks like they are breaking out. I think most people are waiting to see if you consolidate it....or stumble.

You sound a little frustrated at the perceptions, but every one of us have had to deal with that. Some more than others. You pretty much earn your own rep one way or the other in the SBC. If you keep it up on the field as you have the last two years then this problem goes away pretty soon.

(03-02-2012 04:42 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 04:15 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  If the FL schools suck so much, shouldn't you want to get rid of them?

Hope you are looking for honesty.

The FIU/FAU reputation in the league was F_U Bottom 10...same as the rest of the country.

FAU looked like it make break out of that but has stumbled.

Now for the past couple of years FIU looks like they are breaking out. I think most people are waiting to see if you consolidate it....or stumble.

You sound a little frustrated at the perceptions, but every one of us have had to deal with that. Some more than others. You pretty much earn your own rep one way or the other in the SBC. If you keep it up on the field as you have the last two years then this problem goes away pretty soon.

My point is this, if FIU's perception is a bottom 10 team then help them to the door (Denver was distance and got their bags carried to the WAC by the 'belt membership). If FIU is out then that is one less bottom 10 team in the 'belt and the 'belt perception should rise.

Part of the reason we "earned" that rep is taking one for the team by moving up earlier than planned and before we had the infrastructure in place.

(03-02-2012 04:35 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 04:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The folks trying to get a "like" from the Alliance don't or refuse to see the point.

Between you and TrojanCampaign I'd like you to point out where I was "pimping" to the Alliance. If fact, where did I say this conference was less than the Alliance in this thread or any thread on this board or CUSA board. I am sure you will not find any.

What you will find are posts from me correcting any misinformation with respect to FIU, wither from SBC, CUSA or MWC posters. Some here obviously believe that using FIU as a scapegoat is the way to go since we, for the most part, have kept out of the prognostications about conference changes. I think you guys have dragged out programs though the mud enough and should find another school to scapegoat. MTSU has been mentioned, I recall a thread on that topic so move on to the blue raiders and why they will kill the Alliance but are saviors for the 'belt.

With no hint of hostility, no one said anything about you pimping. This whole thread has been blown out of proportion because MG thought I was targeting his school's president. I like what FIU is doing in football and baseball recently and if you guys keep it up big things will happen. What I don't like is when a weekday game against a rarely bad Troy team is used in comparison to a Holiday bowl game that didn't draw much more.

We all should really just say sorry and call it quits. But I respect any team who earns their way to the top like Boise. I have no problem with UNT or FIU improving themselves and would hope to see you guys stay. But don't say your stepping up from the Belt.

(03-02-2012 04:42 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  You sound a little frustrated at the perceptions, but every one of us have had to deal with that.

I am not frustrated at our perception by others, what annoys me is the use of FIU's name as the worst case scenario in a non existent conference. If FIU is so bad, why do you want to keep them?????

(03-02-2012 04:53 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 04:42 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 04:15 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  If the FL schools suck so much, shouldn't you want to get rid of them?

Hope you are looking for honesty.

The FIU/FAU reputation in the league was F_U Bottom 10...same as the rest of the country.

FAU looked like it make break out of that but has stumbled.

Now for the past couple of years FIU looks like they are breaking out. I think most people are waiting to see if you consolidate it....or stumble.

You sound a little frustrated at the perceptions, but every one of us have had to deal with that. Some more than others. You pretty much earn your own rep one way or the other in the SBC. If you keep it up on the field as you have the last two years then this problem goes away pretty soon.

My point is this, if FIU's perception is a bottom 10 team then help them to the door (Denver was distance and got their bags carried to the WAC by the 'belt membership). If FIU is out then that is one less bottom 10 team in the 'belt and the 'belt perception should rise.

Part of the reason we "earned" that rep is taking one for the team by moving up earlier than planned and before we had the infrastructure in place.

And I personally congratulate FIU on that you guys have a fine football team now. And I hope we make sure to not let you get three in a row on us

(03-02-2012 04:57 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 04:42 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  You sound a little frustrated at the perceptions, but every one of us have had to deal with that.

I am not frustrated at our perception by others, what annoys me is the use of FIU's name as the worst case scenario in a non existent conference. If FIU is so bad, why do you want to keep them?????

I think the reason there would be the improvement of the last two years and if it can be maintained the potential for a solid FBS program in the conference.

FIU has moved up the ladder in the SBC.

It is really a matter of whether FIU wants to start over in a different conference and that is something only FIU can decide.

I merely point out that you are starting to establish a rep in the SBC....but for the alliance you are just a potential tv market so you will have just as much, if not more work to get to the same point within that new league.

(03-02-2012 05:02 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 04:57 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(03-02-2012 04:42 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  You sound a little frustrated at the perceptions, but every one of us have had to deal with that.

I am not frustrated at our perception by others, what annoys me is the use of FIU's name as the worst case scenario in a non existent conference. If FIU is so bad, why do you want to keep them?????

Hey, I say: "Let the chips fall where they may!" I dont care who we play, I just want to watch my squad kick some butt!

Greeting to all on the board.
I think the reason there would be the improvement of the last two years and if it can be maintained the potential for a solid FBS program in the conference.

FIU has moved up the ladder in the SBC.

It is really a matter of whether FIU wants to start over in a different conference and that is something only FIU can decide.

I merely point out that you are starting to establish a rep in the SBC....but for the alliance you are just a potential tv market so you will have just as much, if not more work to get to the same point within that new league.