Is this guy a sad case or what . . go to page 11 of the thread . . what is it with Loser Tech fans such as this guy . . what is their problem . . is it something in the Loser Tech culture or what ??
http://ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=557974&page=11
Practically without exception, we Louisiana Tech fans are on board with joining and helping to build the Alliance like...YESTERDAY...Y'all know this (--arguably ad nauseum, LOL).
Tech's situation is definitely different than Arkansas State's. They are in a stable, geographically-friendly conference that has improved in the last 5 years or so. Just based on the comments of their fans on the Sun Belt board...they seem to REALLLLLLY like the Sun Belt. They feel they were the ones who were originally tasked with building from the ground floor, and are not eager to jump at the drop of a hat like Tech was. And I do understand there may be a disconnect between A-State's administration and fans on a fan board...but you have to think to an extent, the fans reflect a little of their leadership's opinion...
On the other side, you don't get that same impression from UNT posters, or FIU posters. I think they'd view the Alliance as a definite promotion to a better conference...like we do. Ark State, UL-Lafayette and Troy fans seem to really want to maintain the status quo and continue to build the Sun Belt...which is fine...that will just ensure the Sun Belt will continue on. We obviously didn't have that level of commitment inside the WAC...EVERYBODY wanted a promotion. Now our conference is on life-support.
I guess my point is...don't just assume Arkansas State would accept if invited. I'm not 100% sure they would.
Go stAte . . Go SBC !!
No it's just that any school president is a headcase if he would willingly join what's looking like D1-B. The people who usually want to jump ship are the ones who think they can't do anything on their own. Whether Troy was in C-USA, the Sun Belt, or the Big East we would be successful just like we have been in every conference we go to. I don't see a point in any team in Troys situation jumping to another non AQ conference just for maybe 1mil more at the most but the cost is an extreme burden on everyone associated with the teams.
I can drive to all the Louisiana schools, South, and Middle Tenn. And if we ever get our basketball team up to strength like baseball we will be able to schedule Alabama and Auburn in Troy in that sport also. We don't need a conference to prop us up all we need to do is win.
The Alliance is as stable as a shanty in a Turkish earthquake.
Their leaders are actually telling insiders that for every school they add, the total TV package will increase so much that the per team distribution goes up. If this were true and you choose to believe it, then you believe that FIU and UNT as a unit hold greater television value than the entire Sun Belt television deal.
The bottom line, anyone with any sense knows what is being touted about television simply is not true.
UNT might be a bit better off getting to host either Rice or Tulsa each year but a person is a special sort of stupid if they think they are going to sell more tickets hosting UAB than Arkansas State or hosting Marshall rather than ULM.
FIU isn't going to enjoy any such benefit there is no one in the Alliance that is going to help them sell more tickets. It would be a straight flash move undertaken to create a perception without generating any tangible benefit beyond perception.
As to ASU, what does the Alliance offer us? USM and Tulsa are of some benefit to us selling tickets but after that, not much is there. Do we really want to be one of 20 or 22 schools competing for the auto berth in most sports rather than one of 10 or 12? There might be a few more TV dollars but to get those dollars it means giving up exposure. Fox Regional, NBC Sports, and CBS College are struggling for content and are much more likely to pay a premium compared to ESPN. When you walk into a bar, restaurant or your buddies house do they just tune to Fox, NBCS or CBSC all day and leave it there or do they stay tuned to ESPN/ESPN2 and only switch to Fox, NBCS, or CBSC when a team they like is on? ESPN delivers "default" viewers they cannot. ESPN/ESPN2 are in more homes than those channels and now ESPNU is in as many homes as NBCS and more than CBSC.
The money is nice but the exposure for ESPN on Tuesday night beats the exposure on NBCS on Saturday afternoon when ABC, CBS, NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, Fox Regional, and CBSC all have games on.
For ASU, the main reason to join the Alliance would be fear that if we did not, the Alliance would find enough other Sun Belt teams willing to leap that it would leave us in a gutted conference. Otherwise its not a really benefical move.
(03-02-2012 11:15 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: [ -> ]No it's just that any school president is a headcase if he would willingly join what's looking like D1-B. The people who usually want to jump ship are the ones who think they can't do anything on their own. Whether Troy was in C-USA, the Sun Belt, or the Big East we would be successful just like we have been in every conference we go to. I don't see a point in any team in Troys situation jumping to another non AQ conference just for maybe 1mil more at the most but the cost is an extreme burden on everyone associated with the teams.
I can drive to all the Louisiana schools, South, and Middle Tenn. And if we ever get our basketball team up to strength like baseball we will be able to schedule Alabama and Auburn in Troy in that sport also. We don't need a conference to prop us up all we need to do is win.
Thanks Slick, but what's good for you may not be good for us. Calling our school's president a head case and saying if we want to move we can't make it on our own makes me wonder about you and your motivation for posting such crap. Schools do what is in their interest, not what some joker from Troy thinks is best for them. A little sour grapes ?
You do have to puzzle over the logic of wanting to join a group that throws out insane comments about wanting to have a four team conference playoff given the state of the NCAA rule book and the dim prospect of gaining special favors from the NCAA. If they are truly committed to the idea then they are likely going to have to give up a regular season game (like the SWAC has done) or give up bowl access for their top two teams. Division IB isn't far from the truth based on their current ideas.
People also fail to realize that once you get past 18 teams there is no guarantee of extra bowls, TV money, or more auto bids. Like the new alliance with FIU and FAU would gain UNLV basketball but they also gain FIU and FAU teams that would hurt everyone's RPI. Another basketball wise factor people don't realize is you have what 25 total regular games and 16 of them are conference games where some teams play twice. ONCE AGAIN NOT TARGETING THE FLORIDA SCHOOLS but I can already hear the UAB fans crying about being stuck playing FIUx2, FAUx2, GaStx2, and not getting to play UNLV or the good teams on the west side. UAB fans already cry about having to play us twice a year in basketball.
Bottom line is there's not a single team in the belt that's better than another. We all need to work hard together to make each other great. Your kidding yourself if you think the alliance is long term or that Marshall vs FIU will sell any better than Troy vs FIU. The Sun Belt with a better TV deal will offer more than the alliance will in a few years.
(03-02-2012 12:02 PM)MG61 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2012 11:15 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: [ -> ]No it's just that any school president is a headcase if he would willingly join what's looking like D1-B. The people who usually want to jump ship are the ones who think they can't do anything on their own. Whether Troy was in C-USA, the Sun Belt, or the Big East we would be successful just like we have been in every conference we go to. I don't see a point in any team in Troys situation jumping to another non AQ conference just for maybe 1mil more at the most but the cost is an extreme burden on everyone associated with the teams.
I can drive to all the Louisiana schools, South, and Middle Tenn. And if we ever get our basketball team up to strength like baseball we will be able to schedule Alabama and Auburn in Troy in that sport also. We don't need a conference to prop us up all we need to do is win.
Thanks Slick, but what's good for you may not be good for us. Calling our school's president a head case and saying if we want to move we can't make it on our own makes me wonder about you and your motivation for posting such crap. Schools do what is in their interest, not what some joker from Troy thinks is best for them. A little sour grapes ?
By all means a move the the alliance would benefit UNT as it stands because your the only Western team in this conference. Sour grapes? Over what?
I didn't say anything about your president and I have yet to see your president make any statements about joining the alliance. UNT wanting to join makes more sense than any of us though because your really the only team that would benefit from playing UTEP, Rice, and Tulsa.
So calm down there buddy no one is jealous of your mean green
The core premise of the Alliance is "We don't want to play them" (ie. the teams on the other side of the country.
The whole design of the deal is to insure that Rice isn't going to impact UNLV's RPI because they aren't going to play. Fresno isn't going to pay to travel to Marshall because there will be no chance they ever meet in football unless it is in the league title game or in an Alliance vs. Alliance bowl game.
It's as out of the box as ideas get an association built around the idea of never playing half your conference mates unless it is in a league championship or a post-season game.
(03-02-2012 12:29 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]The core premise of the Alliance is "We don't want to play them" (ie. the teams on the other side of the country.
The whole design of the deal is to insure that Rice isn't going to impact UNLV's RPI because they aren't going to play. Fresno isn't going to pay to travel to Marshall because there will be no chance they ever meet in football unless it is in the league title game or in an Alliance vs. Alliance bowl game.
It's as out of the box as ideas get an association built around the idea of never playing half your conference mates unless it is in a league championship or a post-season game.
Here is the ugly truth about it though. If it is just 16 teams this would work but if it's expanded to 18 or 20 teams the expansion teams are ALL ON THE CONFERENCE USA SIDE. So the West side would be the UTEP's, UNLV's, New Mexico's, Air Force type teams and the C-USA side would be like FIU, FAU, Ga St, UAB, ECU, Marshall, USM, La Tech. USM may be having a good season but the only consistent team out of that group is UAB and you better believe me they will have a meltdown when six of their games are between FIU, FAU, Troy, and whoever is having a bad season in the division.
(03-02-2012 12:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: [ -> ]The Sun Belt with a better TV deal will offer more than the alliance will in a few years.
And we have no idea what if any new TV deal will look like.
There is just TOO much up in the air rigth now with no hard facts available to make a decision from a fan POV.
I would hope all of our AD's and Presidents are analzying all the factors.
(03-02-2012 12:37 PM)OwlFamily Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2012 12:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: [ -> ]The Sun Belt with a better TV deal will offer more than the alliance will in a few years.
And we have no idea what if any new TV deal will look like.
There is just TOO much up in the air rigth now with no hard facts available to make a decision from a fan POV.
I would hope all of our AD's and Presidents are analzying all the factors.
I agree.
That's why everyone should stop with all this non sense until the Tv Networks even say they are willing to get on board anything.
This realignment talk has torn apart the fans of the MWC, WAC, Sun Belt, and C-USA.
(03-02-2012 12:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: [ -> ]Your kidding yourself if you think ... or that Marshall vs FIU will sell any better than Troy vs FIU. The Sun Belt with a better TV deal will offer more than the alliance will in a few years.
Actually, a game against Marshall would sell better in Miami than a game against Troy because there are significantly more Herd alum in the area than Trojans. I would suggest you use another school, say UAB, to support your claim.
You guys can posture all ya want. If Troy or Arkansas State got an invite to CUSA, you'd accept.
What makes sense is for certain CUSA teams to join with certain Sun Belt teams and certain WAC teams to put together what would become a fantastic regional conference over the long term that actually makes sense.
If it ain't that then you are just taking your pick of 2nd choices anyway.
(03-02-2012 11:51 AM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]The Alliance is as stable as a shanty in a Turkish earthquake.
Their leaders are actually telling insiders that for every school they add, the total TV package will increase so much that the per team distribution goes up. If this were true and you choose to believe it, then you believe that FIU and UNT as a unit hold greater television value than the entire Sun Belt television deal.
The bottom line, anyone with any sense knows what is being touted about television simply is not true.
UNT might be a bit better off getting to host either Rice or Tulsa each year but a person is a special sort of stupid if they think they are going to sell more tickets hosting UAB than Arkansas State or hosting Marshall rather than ULM.
FIU isn't going to enjoy any such benefit there is no one in the Alliance that is going to help them sell more tickets. It would be a straight flash move undertaken to create a perception without generating any tangible benefit beyond perception.
As to ASU, what does the Alliance offer us? USM and Tulsa are of some benefit to us selling tickets but after that, not much is there. Do we really want to be one of 20 or 22 schools competing for the auto berth in most sports rather than one of 10 or 12? There might be a few more TV dollars but to get those dollars it means giving up exposure. Fox Regional, NBC Sports, and CBS College are struggling for content and are much more likely to pay a premium compared to ESPN. When you walk into a bar, restaurant or your buddies house do they just tune to Fox, NBCS or CBSC all day and leave it there or do they stay tuned to ESPN/ESPN2 and only switch to Fox, NBCS, or CBSC when a team they like is on? ESPN delivers "default" viewers they cannot. ESPN/ESPN2 are in more homes than those channels and now ESPNU is in as many homes as NBCS and more than CBSC.
The money is nice but the exposure for ESPN on Tuesday night beats the exposure on NBCS on Saturday afternoon when ABC, CBS, NBC, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPNU, Fox Regional, and CBSC all have games on.
For ASU, the main reason to join the Alliance would be fear that if we did not, the Alliance would find enough other Sun Belt teams willing to leap that it would leave us in a gutted conference. Otherwise its not a really benefical move.
ASU & ULM ? Tulane and USM is a better comparison vs marshall and UAB. However Marsall would most probably be a good draw at Apogee. Alliance TV $$$ would easily trump the $ that the Belt gets. Regardless, the Alliance would definately be a step up.
(03-02-2012 01:21 PM)MG61 Wrote: [ -> ]You guys can posture all ya want. If Troy or Arkansas State got an invite to CUSA, you'd accept.
I don't think it is as clear cut as that. If ASU got an invite but had to leave Troy, Louisiana, North Texas behind it would require some thought. North Texas knows all about that with all the invites from the WAC it turned down.
To me it is less conferences than it is schools. The only reason CUSA is appealing to me is because it contains Tulsa, USM, Rice, and Tulane. Regional schools I respect and would want ASU to be in a Conference with. The rest of them are fine but not really that much value-add to me personally in regard to conference choices.
At the same time UNT, Louisiana, Troy are also programs I respect and want to be in a conference with and would not want to leave behind.
Give me a grouping of schools that contains Tulsa, USM, Rice, Tulane, Louisiana, North Texas, Tulsa, Arkansas State, and Troy and I'm happy. Throw in Texas State and/or UTSA and a couple of others that make good sense (yes even La Tech) and I'm ecstatic.
The rest of the alliance stuff....meh.
(03-02-2012 12:56 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2012 12:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: [ -> ]Your kidding yourself if you think ... or that Marshall vs FIU will sell any better than Troy vs FIU. The Sun Belt with a better TV deal will offer more than the alliance will in a few years.
Actually, a game against Marshall would sell better in Miami than a game against Troy because there are significantly more Herd alum in the area than Trojans. I would suggest you use another school, say UAB, to support your claim.
So what was the attendence for the Beef O Brady's bowl? It barley managed to have 20,000 REPORTED attendance.
There is no way even 17,000 were actually even at the game
MG61
Your starting to sound like the Techsters, if you want to be in conference USA so bad go post on their board until they ban you for being a "PUNT" fan as they say. If your administration wanted to leave the belt so bad they had plenty chances with the WAC. Your begging to get in C-USA is quite pathetic because for years all they have done for years is claim your school is nothing more than brown stuff in cow fields. And your not going to tell me UNT going 3-9 in the alliance is going to draw more people than UNT going 5-7 in the Sun Belt. Being in such a big school in a huge city you should not need other teams to help you fill a 30k stadium anyway.
If your going to down play this conference then expect retaliation from someone who loves it. UNT as of late has in no way been a power player as of late so don't come out saying what we will do and what's a step up because quite frankly it's a step down for any conference to accept your team. You have no baseball team, the year you had good basketball team you TIED with Troy and Middle Tenn for the Sun Belt title in 2010. Your football team hasn't seen a winning season since who knows when and heck I can't find UNT as a past champion in any major sport since 2004.
So next time before you claim were a step down for your mighty losing team in a big city why don't you get your school to actually win something. I like this conference because I want to play ULL, FIU, MT, ASU, and South every year. The alliance only has four teams I would ever event care to see us play (USM, ECU, UAB, Marshall). The thought of being in a conference with Wyoming is just crazy to me even if it would mean more money. All that extra money and market UNT has sure is not winning you guys much of anything in the poor little Sun Belt.
(03-02-2012 02:23 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2012 12:56 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote: [ -> ] (03-02-2012 12:21 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: [ -> ]Your kidding yourself if you think ... or that Marshall vs FIU will sell any better than Troy vs FIU. The Sun Belt with a better TV deal will offer more than the alliance will in a few years.
Actually, a game against Marshall would sell better in Miami than a game against Troy because there are significantly more Herd alum in the area than Trojans. I would suggest you use another school, say UAB, to support your claim.
So what was the attendence for the Beef O Brady's bowl? It barley managed to have 20,000 REPORTED attendance.
There is no way even 17,000 were actually even at the game
Are you saying a mid week game against troy would draw more than 17k actual butts? Oh wait, we tried that in October. 16K REPORTED attendance. How much does that translate to in actual butts?
As I said, Marshall/FIU is a bad choice if you are looking for negative attendance.
I don't know where FIU will be conference-wise in the next couple of years and to be honest, I don't really care since I will support my school regardless.
What I do care about is posters claiming to not be picking on "Florida school" then proceed with backhanded digs about FIU (if you have to start a conversation with a disclaimer, then you know you are doing exactly what you are claiming not to do).
You want to convince others that the 'belt is good? Speak to the positives of being in the 'belt. Going negative about another conference or the exponential sucktitude that will befall the conference if they
ADD YOUR CURRENT CONFERENCE MATES doesn't place the 'belt in a good light. This is like saying "don't take my girlfriend because she is fat and ugly and will give you crabs". It makes you appear petty and jealous.
(03-02-2012 02:47 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote: [ -> ]MG61
Your starting to sound like the Techsters, if you want to be in conference USA so bad go post on their board until they ban you for being a "PUNT" fan as they say. If your administration wanted to leave the belt so bad they had plenty chances with the WAC. Your begging to get in C-USA is quite pathetic because for years all they have done for years is claim your school is nothing more than brown stuff in cow fields. And your not going to tell me UNT going 3-9 in the alliance is going to draw more people than UNT going 5-7 in the Sun Belt. Being in such a big school in a huge city you should not need other teams to help you fill a 30k stadium anyway.
If your going to down play this conference then expect retaliation from someone who loves it. UNT as of late has in no way been a power player as of late so don't come out saying what we will do and what's a step up because quite frankly it's a step down for any conference to accept your team. You have no baseball team, the year you had good basketball team you TIED with Troy and Middle Tenn for the Sun Belt title in 2010. Your football team hasn't seen a winning season since who knows when and heck I can't find UNT as a past champion in any major sport since 2004.
So next time before you claim were a step down for your mighty losing team in a big city why don't you get your school to actually win something. I like this conference because I want to play ULL, FIU, MT, ASU, and South every year. The alliance only has four teams I would ever event care to see us play (USM, ECU, UAB, Marshall). The thought of being in a conference with Wyoming is just crazy to me even if it would mean more money. All that extra money and market UNT has sure is not winning you guys much of anything in the poor little Sun Belt.
Sound like a Techster ? Nope, just replying to post by folks like yourself who bash our president, question our long time desire to be in CUSA and generally spout sour apples. Continue to rail against UNT and what we feel is best for us and I'll continue to reply. You need to be concerned about Troy and keep your nose out of our business. You're a relative newbie on the board, but seem to have anointed yourself as some type of expert on what folks should and should not do.We've always tried to be a good conference member, never made a secret of our desire for CUSA and frankly I'm a little tired ot the crap you've been pitching our way.....