Hello There, Guest! Registered users see far less ads! Register today and join our virtual tailgate. (Login — Register)

Post Reply 
Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
Author Message
Bull_In_Exile Offline
Eternal Pessimist
*

Posts: 21,736
Joined: Jun 2009
Reputation: 461
I Root For: The Underdog
Location:
Post: #241
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 12:22 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  My agenda doesn't include your kids. My agenda includes MY kids. But if taxpayer funded childrens programming includes opposite sex couples then its not unreasonable to have same sex couples as well.

When you decide to march in my kids face at school and tell them what is and is not ok, morally... Then guess what spanky, your agenda includes my kid.

It should be enough to teach kids not to Bully... Fat kids, skinny kids, ugly kids, dumb kids, smart kids, gay kids, straight kids... Just don't Bully.

No moral sanction need be pushed by the school on this issue. But, just like gay marriage, there is no compromise allowed by the activist homosexuals.

I would be quite content to have the govt do away with marriage all together or make a class of civil partnership (available to all) with the same benefits. But until they get the govt to say "marriage" they will not be satisfied.

Quote:TV should show reality. And we are a part of the American reality. Its not shoving it in your face to have programming that reflects that.

There has been *1* married Muppet during sesame streets entire run and that set has not existed for 15 years the baby mupet exist but they don't talk about the parents marriage. A Muppet is not reality, I hate to break it to you.
08-14-2011 07:41 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Paul M Offline
American-American
*

Posts: 21,088
Joined: May 2008
Reputation: 649
I Root For: OU
Location: Next to Boomer
Post: #242
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
And if you want to talk reality, gays are OVER represented on TV.
08-14-2011 07:47 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Fo Shizzle Offline
Pragmatic Classical Liberal
*

Posts: 41,888
Joined: Dec 2006
Reputation: 1206
I Root For: ECU PIRATES
Location: North Carolina

Balance of Power Contest
Post: #243
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 05:28 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Texas is a right to work state. Employers don't need to state a reason for cutting someone loose. Just as you don't have to give a reason why you are quitting. With larger co. HR dept. Has the final oversight. What's the beef here?

You don't need a reason for "laying someone off or eliminating a job" but you damn well better be careful about why you fire someone. You better have have gone through the proper warning procedures and have documentation. I have never "fired" anyone...they "fired" themselves..because they f'ed up on the job and I had them dead to rights and had backup... I went through the grinder of a court procedure one time...I learned my lesson. You fire someone if you wish and most of the time, you will get away with it because most people are too ignorant of their rights to do anything about it. Take my word...It is not worth the gamble. The EOC hearings are VERY pro worker and if you loose...it is not only embarrassing but costly. Fortunately for me...the time I got dragged before the EOC...the worker lied on the stand and got caught. I was not though prepared. That has not happened again.
08-14-2011 07:55 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
smn1256 Offline
I miss Tripster
*

Posts: 28,847
Joined: Apr 2008
Reputation: 337
I Root For: Lower taxes
Location: North Mexico
Post: #244
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 06:45 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 05:53 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Being gay means you're in a protected class, being straight gets you nothing. Nah, I'm not discriminated against.

I've said it before and I'll say it again there is NO such thing as a Hate Crime, ONLY a crime. It is a crime to Kill, beat to a bloody pulp, or otherwise harm any individual. If a jurisdiction has a pattern of failing to convict then a mandatory change of venue for all similar cases should be required for a period of time. Hate Crimes laws ignores the Double Jeopardy law and gives the protected classes two opportunities to exact "justice".

Are hate crimes laws applied objectively? Ask Reginald Denny the WHITE truck driver beaten by the angry mob in LA.

+1
08-14-2011 08:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
smn1256 Offline
I miss Tripster
*

Posts: 28,847
Joined: Apr 2008
Reputation: 337
I Root For: Lower taxes
Location: North Mexico
Post: #245
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  And if you want to talk reality, gays are OVER represented on TV.

They've ruined House Hunters for me.
08-14-2011 08:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #246
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 05:25 PM)Paul M Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 05:14 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 05:01 PM)Paul M Wrote:  A straight worker doesn't get benefits for his girlfriend. He gets the same pay as a gay doing the exact same work. EQUAL COMPENSATION for EQUAL WORK.

So if that company decides to call a Gay man's husband their "boyfriend" is not discrimination in your eyes? Your argument only works if the Gay couple CAN get married to each other and retrieve those benefits.

You realize that you are arguing for unequal compensation for equal work.

I don't care about equal pay for equal work. An employer can, or should be able to, pay any employee whatever he chooses. Two companies can pay different wages for the same work. One company itself should be able to pay depending on time on job, experience, any number of criteria they so choose.

Ok..so why don't advocates of discrimination (such as yourself) not oppose current laws that prohibit people from paying people less because they are fundamentalists?

But, just to be clear, the criteria they are using to compensate their employess less is because one is Gay.
08-14-2011 10:17 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #247
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 08:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  And if you want to talk reality, gays are OVER represented on TV.

They've ruined House Hunters for me.

Who do you think watches HGTV? Its like Logo or Bravo. Its for us, by us programming.

That network is so funny. You always know how the story is going to end...'with a room done in the same 'boutique hotel' design. Regardless of what style might fit the family or the house the best.

But I do have to laugh when I see some of the 'contractors' on these programs. Maybe its just me, but none of the contractors that I seem to run into look like they do. Me thinks they just handed some male models some tools and told them to fake the contracting work and then get the ugly qualified people you don't see to do the real work.

But you have this old house or the DIY network if you'd rather see more straight people.
08-14-2011 10:24 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
RobertN Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 35,463
Joined: Jan 2003
Reputation: 95
I Root For: THE NIU Huskies
Location: Wayne's World
Post: #248
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 05:40 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 05:27 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Go to San Fran. See how you're treated by the liberals there as a conservative. Would I be protected, Tom?

Somehow I doubt it.

Tom doesn't mention lots of companies ban religious activities and have a PINK CROSS groups that identify group leaders (with pink crosses in their office) that gays can report any behavior especially religious that is offensive. Employees that have complaints against them can either take sensitivity training (re-education) or be fired. Many companies have employee afinity groups including GLTG which have a PRIDE MONTH. No Christian pride month at any publicly traded company I know of. So why one for Gay Lesbian and Transgendered?

Also a North Carolina company took discipline against an employee for sending a co-worker, and personal friend, out on medical leave an e-mail from their office e-mail saying they were sorry to hear about their illness and would be praying for them. Said company found the e-mail using their security software that filters for key words. Nice eh?
Did you get fired for sending the e-mail?
08-14-2011 10:32 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #249
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 08:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 06:45 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 05:53 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Being gay means you're in a protected class, being straight gets you nothing. Nah, I'm not discriminated against.

I've said it before and I'll say it again there is NO such thing as a Hate Crime, ONLY a crime. It is a crime to Kill, beat to a bloody pulp, or otherwise harm any individual. If a jurisdiction has a pattern of failing to convict then a mandatory change of venue for all similar cases should be required for a period of time. Hate Crimes laws ignores the Double Jeopardy law and gives the protected classes two opportunities to exact "justice".

Are hate crimes laws applied objectively? Ask Reginald Denny the WHITE truck driver beaten by the angry mob in LA.

+1

Actually the Denny case was a very good example of the difference between a hate crime plus assault and an assault. Denny was targeted for the crime because of his race. They didn't care what white person they assaulted. As a result the crime was intended to be an attack on any white person.

Their attackers should have gotten a sentence based upon the assault. AND they should receive an additional sentence based upon the fact that they were singling out persons for a crime based upon the victims race.

Its not the thought that creates the hate crime; its the acting on the thought.

I'll give you an example of a hate crime and WHY they are important. Lets say a Hispanic couple moves into a neighborhood. Their home is burned down or vandalized and by people who spray paint a slur against hispanics on the remnants of the home. There is a crime of arson. But the INTENT of the crime was not just to burn down someone else's home. The INTENT is to scare off ALL Hispanics from moving into that neighborhood. The arson was an attack on one vicitim. The targeting was against an entire class of people.

Unfortunately, there ARE cases where minority groups (especially unpopular ones) do not receive justice when they are the victims of crimes.
08-14-2011 10:34 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
RobertN Offline
Legend
*

Posts: 35,463
Joined: Jan 2003
Reputation: 95
I Root For: THE NIU Huskies
Location: Wayne's World
Post: #250
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 08:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  And if you want to talk reality, gays are OVER represented on TV.

They've ruined House Hunters for me.
I am curious. I haven't had cable in a long time and have not seen the show in a while. Have they had any rednecks looking for double wides on the show? 03-lmfao
08-14-2011 10:43 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
SumOfAllFears Offline
Grim Reaper of Misguided Liberal Souls
*

Posts: 18,182
Joined: Nov 2008
Reputation: 58
I Root For: America
Location:
Post: #251
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
Sounding like a lot of gay whinning to me now.
08-14-2011 10:43 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #252
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 10:32 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 05:40 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 05:27 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Go to San Fran. See how you're treated by the liberals there as a conservative. Would I be protected, Tom?

Somehow I doubt it.

Tom doesn't mention lots of companies ban religious activities and have a PINK CROSS groups that identify group leaders (with pink crosses in their office) that gays can report any behavior especially religious that is offensive. Employees that have complaints against them can either take sensitivity training (re-education) or be fired. Many companies have employee afinity groups including GLTG which have a PRIDE MONTH. No Christian pride month at any publicly traded company I know of. So why one for Gay Lesbian and Transgendered?

Also a North Carolina company took discipline against an employee for sending a co-worker, and personal friend, out on medical leave an e-mail from their office e-mail saying they were sorry to hear about their illness and would be praying for them. Said company found the e-mail using their security software that filters for key words. Nice eh?
Did you get fired for sending the e-mail?

Your case brings up a whole lot of issues. First of all, many companies do have offical and unoffical office groups for their LGBT employees. As well as for other minority groups. These groups can be used as a vehicle to ensure that the company is being responsive to the needs of a particular interest group.

Why don't Christians at the workplace have their analog to these groups. First of all, many companies do have Christian groups. But they tend to cause A LOT of problems as, unlike Gay or minority affinity groups, they usually prothelize. No one is joining a Gay group at work unless they are Gay.

I'll give you a personal example. I was working for a Fortune 500 company in California a decade or so ago. A new director was brought in and in his first meeting with his DIRECT REPORTS asked if he could start the meeting off with a prayer. The room had 2 Gay men, 1 Lesbian, 2 Athiests, and 1 Jewish person in it as well as 10 other persons of various demoniations and intensity). The new manager was a former LDS mission president (which he foolishly put on his resume - I actually told the straight people who wanted to discriminate against him for that in the interview process that they should ignore his religious affiliation and concentrate on his qualifications). I stood up and said (to my new boss) that I find the presentation of a prayer in the workplace environment to be very disturbing and that I would be at Human Resources before he got to Amen. He was fired that day. Why? First of all, it is inappropriate for a supervisor to start a work meeting in that way because his direct reports might feel pressure to go along to get along with the boss. My direct reports included a very good employee who was a follower of Chuck Colson (whom I despise as he is very hateful towards Gay people). I would NEVER share that with her. Why? Because I was her BOSS. I hold (or may be perceived to hold) power over her career.

People don't like prothelizers. It creates tension and resentment in the office. Remember, that harrassment, per federal law, is not based upon the intent of the person making the action or statement but on the impact of the recipient.

And if you peruse some of the comments in here, you can see that there is a lot of animosity against Gay people. So if there is a bad actor, then yes, from a legal standpoint, human resources might have an interest in facilitating complaints about people who are creating a bad environment at work.

For me, I'd keep the Gay and Minority affinity groups, but I'd lose the Gay flags on the cubicles. I think it creates more problems. For example, a consulting client of mine in Texas had a LOT of rainbow stickers that said "Gay..Okay by me". Great. But I also think that it might create resentment by Gays and their supporters of those that don't have those signs on their cubicles or implicit pressure on those that for whatever reason didn't want to put that sign up to do so.

Finally, your particular case gets into the issue of the appropriate use of company equipment for personal use. That is fraught with problems. Send the email from your smart phone.

Many corporations do choose to support Gay Pride celebrations (as well as other minority celebrations). There are economic reasons for doing so, including minority employee retention/recruitment, and advertising.

But I'd trade all of that 'support' for enforceable laws protecting Gays from employment and compensation discrimination.
08-14-2011 10:58 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #253
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 01:42 PM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 12:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 08:26 AM)THE NC Herd Fan Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 12:13 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(08-13-2011 09:48 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  Both Atlanta and Decatur have laws.. They are, the last time I checked, in Georgia.

Tom loses all cred with this assertion. You simply can not fire anyone without serious repercussions for anything other than job performance. I have been a supervisor for over 25 years and have fired easily over a hundred employees. Even in NC...which is a right to work state...you MUST have evidence of poor work performance to fire someone. You can do it ..but...you risk getting hauled in front of the EOC. Take my word for it...YOU BETTER HAVE YOUR SH!T TOGETHER if you are dragged before the EOC for a hearing. I have....and it is not fun.05-nono

Not only law, but there would be such protests if someone were fired for being gay the business involved would have to offer some type of "peace offering" to the gay community.

Maybe Tom is referring to Cracker Barrel or Chic-fil-a both of which have evangelical roots. To those businesses if they are willing to give up income from gay patrons it is their choice. But even these companies don't fire people for being gay, it's when the flames start to burn and a gay employee wants to make a political statement, more or less, again pushing the GAY AGENDA, they may be fired because the flaming GAY AGENDA is definitely not in keeping with these companies image.

Uh, Cracker Barrel DID fire someone just because they were Gay. My favorite recent story is how the Forrest County (Hattiesburg) Sheriff's department fired a prison employee because he called the police after being the VICTIM of a domestic violence dispute! In GOP held Collin county (TX - Plano), a Gay man was fired employment with the County Government because he is Gay.

By the way, I as a Gay man, cannot fire someone because they are evangelical. Why can evangelicals fire persons because they are Gay (They can and DO in many states)?

And then we get into pay discrepancies. If a company pays as a part of their pay package, the health insurance for the straight partners of employees but refuses to do so for Gay ones, then that is prima facie discrimination. And it carries a real economic cost. And that is WIDESPREAD.

Links to stories? Also it certainly sounds like your standards which fit the GAY AGENDA protocol would force churches to employ gays and pay same sex benefits. If organizations choose not to offer benefits to same sex couples they should have that right. As far as health insurance Obamacare will have everyone on single payer system soon enough so it won't matter.

Yes. If we did have single payer that would help out a lot with compensation discrimination issues.

Churches should be able to hire whomever they want SO LONG AS THEY ARE NOT RECEIVING TAXPAYER SUBSIDIES OR SPECIAL BENEFITS. If my tax dollars built or subsidized the building of a Baptist Hospital, then that hospital has to pay Gay nurses and doctors the exact same in compensation that they do to straight nurses and doctors and cannot discriminate.

However, you are advocating that Gays be paid less for equal work than straights. I'll tell you what..when it is legal for a corporation to say..we'll pay health care for spouses and children of employees except for Catholics (or Mormons), then you statement about employer freedom might not be so anti-Gay.
08-14-2011 11:05 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #254
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-13-2011 07:18 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(08-13-2011 12:19 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-13-2011 12:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(08-13-2011 11:53 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-13-2011 09:17 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Like I said...I question the "real" agenda of any gay activist that would oppose that civil unions be the method of legal marriage for everyone.

BTW...We agree on more than you think....probably 90%.04-cheers

I have no problem with removing all rights for straight couples married and force them to go to the courthouse for a civil union (which would be open to Gays) in order to get state recognition. Its not going to happen though.

It would require that about 1700 laws on the Federal level alone to be amended. And tens of thousands of state laws. Its just not practical. As far as a 'solution' it works great in theory, but not in political reality.

For purposes of 'protecting marriage', its misguided in my opinion to create civil unions(with less rights and responsibilities) while marriage is still an option. This has been the 'solution' that many states have been moving towards. The problem with this solution is that it is still unequal. Furthermore, since this option is open to straight people, many straights are choosing civil unions rather than marriage. And this is causing marriage rates to drop precipitously in states like California. I don't really have a problem if some couple choose to have 'marriage lite', but if someone wants to protect the institution of marriage, the movement of straight couples to civil unions is fraught with danger for marriage.

So I see marriage equality as the solution that makes the most sense.

I call fabrics. The only thing that needs to change is to allow gays to acquire the govt. license like everyone else. You want equality?...I cant see how it could be any clearer or easier. I'm sorry Tom...but...I am beginning to smell a agenda beyond this issue. I was afraid of this from the start. My suggestion is to take the path of least resistance and take it. Unless something is going on in Alabama that I am not aware of....what you are seeking is NEVER going to happen there in your lifetime. That is just being realistic.

Oh if civil unions were an option in Alabama we'd take it. How do you think a civil unions bill would do in the tea party legislature 03-lmfao ?

Now, we wouldn't take it and stop unless all of the benefits of marriage were accrued only to those that were civil unioned.

But its really a theoretical exercise in Alabama. We'll be fighting this one using the 'full faith and credit clause' in the Federal Courts.

I think you underestimate what classical liberals really feel in regard to civil liberties. I understand that you have been programmed to be wary of any conservative mindset..but..Most of the TP people are much more tolerant socially than you may think. The vast majority are just totally pissed of with our nations debt and out of hand spending. That is their main agenda..

The media always focuses on the fringe players...just like it does in regard to gay activism.03-idea The majority of folks just want to live free and want everyone else to have the same option.

Name one tea party endorsed member of congress that supported a repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell or that supports marriage equality. Or that supports the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

I call BS on "the Tea Party isn't anti-Gay" meme. While there may be individual members of the Tea Party that support some measures of greater justice for Gay Americans, I cannot think of ONE SINGLE tea partier elected anywhere that has done so.

When I see tea party.. I see Michelle Bachmann. Or Alan West. For me, its not how you feel, but how those you support VOTE in congress.

I'm not saying this to be pissy. But I sincerely ask you to help me find ONE elected tea party Congressman or Senator that supports any measure of Gay equality in the form of actual legislation.
08-14-2011 11:11 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #255
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 07:55 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 05:28 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Texas is a right to work state. Employers don't need to state a reason for cutting someone loose. Just as you don't have to give a reason why you are quitting. With larger co. HR dept. Has the final oversight. What's the beef here?

You don't need a reason for "laying someone off or eliminating a job" but you damn well better be careful about why you fire someone. You better have have gone through the proper warning procedures and have documentation. I have never "fired" anyone...they "fired" themselves..because they f'ed up on the job and I had them dead to rights and had backup... I went through the grinder of a court procedure one time...I learned my lesson. You fire someone if you wish and most of the time, you will get away with it because most people are too ignorant of their rights to do anything about it. Take my word...It is not worth the gamble. The EOC hearings are VERY pro worker and if you loose...it is not only embarrassing but costly. Fortunately for me...the time I got dragged before the EOC...the worker lied on the stand and got caught. I was not though prepared. That has not happened again.

Actually, The EEOC has no jurisdiction in cases involving workers being fired on the basis of real or percieved sexual orientation. We would like to have our group included in those protections.

My understanding is that it is really pretty hard to prove discrimination through the EEOC. There are usually a lot of ways for an employer to claim performance or other reasons for the layoff.
08-14-2011 11:15 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #256
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 05:27 PM)Rebel Wrote:  Go to San Fran. See how you're treated by the liberals there as a conservative. Would I be protected, Tom?

Somehow I doubt it.

The question of employment protection on the basis of political advocacy is an interesting one. On a Federal level, there is no protection. Most states don't protect either. I know of one state, Wisconsin, that does prohibit discrimination on that category.

There have been a few cases of that recently. I know that a woman in Huntsville Alabama was fired from her job for having an Obama bumper sticker on her car.

As far as any possible integration of yourself into the San Francisco area, I really don't know that much about SF (Believe it or not, most Gays don't go to SF as much as straights think - I personally can't stand the place). I don't like the weather there. I think the people are too far to the left -even for me - and its ruinously expensive. And I think SF is dirty. I like Southern California much better.

Micheal Savage (nee Wiener) lives there. He's as right wing as they come. I have a college roommate who is on the central committee of the GOP in SF County/City. He seems to be doing well and prefers living there to his native South. And he's married (to a woman) and has kids. So its certainly doable for a Conservative.

I think the GOP vote in SF is 11%. And in the metro area its around 30%. That's a lot of people. There are six million people living in the Bay Area, so that translates to about 1.8 million GOP supporters. But most Republicans in the Bay Area would be considered RINO's anywhere else. I think that anytime one side becomes too powerful it creates a desire by some people to rein in that power.
(This post was last modified: 08-14-2011 11:32 PM by Tom in Lazybrook.)
08-14-2011 11:28 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #257
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 10:43 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Sounding like a lot of gay whinning to me now.

And all of your taglines aren't whining?...03-hissyfit
08-14-2011 11:35 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Bull_In_Exile Offline
Eternal Pessimist
*

Posts: 21,736
Joined: Jun 2009
Reputation: 461
I Root For: The Underdog
Location:
Post: #258
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 10:58 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Why don't Christians at the workplace have their analog to these groups. First of all, many companies do have Christian groups. But they tend to cause A LOT of problems as, unlike Gay or minority affinity groups, they usually prothelize.

Ok so Christians can do just about anything they want...

Quote:I'll give you a personal example. I was working for a Fortune 500 company in California a decade or so ago. A new director was brought in and in his first meeting with his DIRECT REPORTS asked if he could start the meeting off with a prayer. The room had 2 Gay men, 1 Lesbian, 2 Athiests, and 1 Jewish person in it as well as 10 other persons of various demoniations and intensity).

It's amazing in this world, which you say wants to squash homosexuals that a fortune 50 meeting was 20% queer.

Quote:The new manager was a former LDS mission president (which he foolishly put on his resume

Well your first problem is assuming LDS are Christians, but continue

Quote:I actually told the straight people who wanted to discriminate against him for that in the interview process that they should ignore his religious affiliation and concentrate on his qualifications).

Oh so you were masking the discrimination

[/quote]I stood up and said (to my new boss) that I find the presentation of a prayer in the workplace environment to be very disturbing and that I would be at Human Resources before he got to Amen.[/qujote]

In a simpler time one could have politely excused themselves from the room. I once took a class on the Irish Language and many of the greetings read as prayers to saints and Mary. That's a no-no for me so I just left the room.

Then again at the age of 19 I was more an adult than you are now.

Quote:He was fired that day. Why? First of all, it is inappropriate for a supervisor to start a work meeting in that way because his direct reports might feel pressure to go along to get along with the boss.

Kind of like the when I have to sit through workplace sensitivity which pressures me to go against my conscious.

Quote:People don't like prothelizers.

Except gay ones on sesame stret, seems some people love those!

Quote:It creates tension and resentment in the office. Remember, that harrassment, per federal law, is not based upon the intent of the person making the action or statement but on the impact of the recipient.

Yup, thats the base fault in the law. I have no control over how you take a joke, or view a scripture on my desk. It's not enough that we ask people to act kindly towards each other.. Noooooooo We need to ross check with every person around.

Quote:And if you peruse some of the comments in here, you can see that there is a lot of animosity against Gay people.

I've seen a lot towards others as well.
(This post was last modified: 08-14-2011 11:39 PM by Bull_In_Exile.)
08-14-2011 11:36 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Rebel
Unregistered

 
CrappiesNew Orleans Bowl
Post: #259
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 10:43 PM)RobertN Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 08:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 07:47 PM)Paul M Wrote:  And if you want to talk reality, gays are OVER represented on TV.

They've ruined House Hunters for me.
I am curious. I haven't had cable in a long time and have not seen the show in a while. Have they had any rednecks looking for double wides on the show? 03-lmfao

Shouldn't you be on a treadmill? Or at least an elliptical?
08-14-2011 11:37 PM
Quote this message in a reply
Tom in Lazybrook Offline
Hall of Famer
*

Posts: 22,253
Joined: Jul 2011
Reputation: 446
I Root For: So Alabama, GWU
Location: Houston
Post: #260
RE: Don't tell them how to get to Sesame Street!!!
(08-14-2011 12:25 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(08-14-2011 12:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-13-2011 07:17 PM)Ninerfan1 Wrote:  
(08-13-2011 06:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  I don't want a theoretical marriage. I want a marriage with someone that I love and that loves me for who I am.
You've been very clear, you want the tax incentive and state benefits that come with marriage.

You position isn't about love, it's about money. At least have the intellectual honesty to admit it.

How does 'no legal recognition' gain a US visa for the husband of a Gay man?

If you cannot live in the same country as your partner, how can you build a lasting relationship?

When you answer that question, I'll move on to barriers to Gays being able to live their lives in peace that come from marriage inequality #2

And then we can continue, one by one, all the way up to #1700.

Thank you for agreeing with me and admitting that your position has nothing to do with love and everything to do with money and benefits.

Though, I'm not sure you realize that's what you did.


Uh.. can you please answer my question regarding how a Gay man, married to a non-US citizen male, can LIVE in the same country with that spouse?

Is that a benefit or a right? And what is the impact of current US law that doesn't allow a Gay man to live in the same country as his husband?

Somehow, you seem to think the right to live in the same house with the person they love is about money.
08-14-2011 11:37 PM
Find all posts by this user Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply 




User(s) browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)


Copyright © 2002-2026 Collegiate Sports Nation Bulletin Board System (CSNbbs), All Rights Reserved.
CSNbbs is an independent fan site and is in no way affiliated to the NCAA or any of the schools and conferences it represents.
This site monetizes links. FTC Disclosure.
We allow third-party companies to serve ads and/or collect certain anonymous information when you visit our web site. These companies may use non-personally identifiable information (e.g., click stream information, browser type, time and date, subject of advertisements clicked or scrolled over) during your visits to this and other Web sites in order to provide advertisements about goods and services likely to be of greater interest to you. These companies typically use a cookie or third party web beacon to collect this information. To learn more about this behavioral advertising practice or to opt-out of this type of advertising, you can visit http://www.networkadvertising.org.
Powered By MyBB, © 2002-2026 MyBB Group.